53 percent of fans want Steve Mills to trade everyone… including Carmelo Anthony

Harris Decker

We learned something very important about the Knicks on Thursday.

We learned that the fans have officially turned… on Carmelo Anthony.

All season, the Knicks superstar had garnered support, even while the team was playing horribly. Now, the fans have turned and their target is Anthony. Here are the results of our poll, showing that over 50 percent of TKB readers want GM Steve Mills to look to trade anyone and everyone, including Anthony.

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I don’t think that Knicks fans blame Anthony. After all, how can you blame a guy that is playing 40 minutes a night, is third in the league in scoring per game and is hitting the boards harder than at any point in his career?

What you can do is look past the player and into the system. The Knicks with Anthony have proven that they can’t win with a supporting cast and this year, they’re proving that they can’t win without one. Anthony has been the entire team this year and that’s just not working for anyone. Especially Anthony.

The Knicks won’t have cap space for a few seasons unless they start to clean house. If they were able to trade Anthony and Tyson Chandler, it would not only clear up cap space but likely bring back draft picks, something that the Knicks have been trading away at an alarming pace. Chandler would likely be a hot commodity. He’s a veteran center who can play great defense in the right system. Anthony would obviously be a huge addition to any team and he would also have Mills fielding questions from all over the league.

53 percent of Knicks fans believe that the team needs to explore trading everyone and anyone, including Anthony and I’m finally on board. It didn’t seem like things could get much worse but now is the time. With the trading deadline fast approaching, it seems inevitable that the Knicks have to look into dealing the entire team. I’d be more than happy heading into the offseason $35 million lighter and with one more contract expiring in 2014-15.

The fans have spoken. Will Mills react?




143 comments
Hardwood Diagnostic
Hardwood Diagnostic

It has nothing to do with Knicks fans turning on Carmelo Harris. It's about whats more feasible both short and long-term. Fans are thinking business wise, how to avoid getting duped and not receiving talent in return (in case Melo flees). And frankly even if he doesn't, NYK resigning him is more aligned with instant gratification and franchise marketability than it is about building a successful ballclub long-term. 

The "win-now mode" narrative has been exhausted. Its time to explore getting rid of Tyson and Melo.

lindro88
lindro88

You make it sound like this blog represents the entire fan base.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Ppl are scared that Melo is gonna leave thats why they wanna trade him but i dont think Melo is leaving. He wants to win but he wants that money too! Melo will give the Knicks time to straighten this mess out in FA. If we dont do good, then he'll leave

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

we should be gettin rid of players like Felton, Beno, Tyson and maybe JR.

Chris C.
Chris C.

99% of fans want Steve Mills to poison Jim Dolan with ricin.

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

If Melo leaves. Do the knicks save money?

Ben Farber
Ben Farber

I just have a very hard time thinking what realistic offers there would be out there for melo if they did want to trade him, entering free agency. Who is desperate enough to ignore that risk? Phoenix? Salary-wise, Melo and Felton for Dragic, Len, and the Okafor contract works...but Phoenix certainly wouldn't want to take on Felton. So Melo for Dragic? Kind of underwhelming. Detroit might, but if we wanted Monroe, we'd likely have to take Smith. No thank you. Gordon+Smith+Aminu from NO? That one almost intrigues me but Gordon doesn't expire for 3 more years. Would Denver want him back? 


There isn't really a great market for Melo right now, which definitely influences this decision for the team. 

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

bottom line is Dolan wants ti be Steinbrenner

lola69
lola69

Does anyone think JD is ready to give up any of his power? Do you think he is kind of tired of being blamed? I do and I think he is ready to give some responsibility to someone else. Jeff Van Gundy perhaps. (crossed fingers)

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

And besides the coach nobody wants our guys. So that makes it hard too. Big undertaking for Mills. Have to tread carefully and not screw it up.

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

@ VSJ. I agree.

But its more corporate semantics and proving legit to CAA that Woody is done.

Its a weird web Dolan put himself in.

They are figuring it out and hopefully will have a plan and coach in place. But yeah Woodson blows.

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

Its going to take some real savvy to pull this off. Im orange and blue all the way.

There will be major changes coming. Just have to wait and be ( unfortunetely) patient. Corporate dont learn from their mistakes, they just don't do it again.

GG was starting to sign vets ( for Woody)- Dolan caught wind of it and bagged GG.

Can't blame Dolan for that. Woodson is a good guy im sure, but he's not smart. Kidd and rasheed are coaches now, hmm? What prompted that? They ran the knicks

while Woody just rode their opinions and ideas. Now no vets- so now we see, he's exposed. He's so defensive- not bright. He's done, its just matter of when. chandler too for insubordination.

cole3244
cole3244

the fans at least some are pulling their heads out of the sand and realizing what is really going on, better late than never.

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

Dolan and the FO have to tread carefully.

They know fans are fed up. IMO i think they are fed up too. Wait and see. Either Woodson is out next week or has the rest of the season and then its buh bye

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

Knicks are going to go after lance stephenson, Greg Monroe,DeMarcus Cousins, Gorgon Dragic and some low cost help/role players. Theyre trying to figure it out. Watch and see

kidrobot
kidrobot

More than anything- it will be a matter of if the Knicks are willing to admit that they did in fact make a mistake by constructing this roster as is.  I think the intentions were good, but sometimes it takes a bigger man to admit they were wrong and move on.  It doesnt seem like Dolan is that guy.  I would trade EVERYONE.  Melo and Felton packaged together this season before the deadline to ensure we can actually trade Felton.  Chandler and JR this season before the deadline to ensure we can actually trade JR.  I would keep Amare unless a deal makes sense because he will be most attractive on draft night or next year.  Same with Bargnani- it's unfortunate that he was injured but between Amare and Bargnani, we would still have roughly $36M evaporate next year.  


I would target a combination of these players: Rondo, Eric Bledsoe, Greg Monroe, Luol Deng, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love etc.. via free agency and stockpile as many draft picks as possible.  If we need to trade Shumpert to get in the 1st Round on draft night, so be it.  I like Hardaway Jr.  I think he is a solid pickup.  I also like Toure Murry- he plays hard and is a value on this roster.  Let Tyler develop- he too may prove to be a value. 


The first step is admitting you have a problem.  The second is figuring out a way to rectify the situation.  Blow it all up and never turn back

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

WORST CONTRACTS IN NBA HISTORY 21 CENTURY:


Knicks have had 4 OF THOSE CONTRACTS


The most infamous acquisition of the Isaiah Thomas Era in New York was the train-wreck that was known as Stephon Marbury. Phoenix made the initial blunder of offering Marbury a 4 year $76 million extension in 2003, but Isaiah Thomas came to the Suns’ rescue by trading for the troubled point guard right before the extension kicked in. Objectively, Marbury was a phenomenal basketball player, but the circus that accompanied the act often overshadowed his greatness.



http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/list/201307/nbas-12-worst-contracts-21st-century#12

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Harris, you mean 53% of Knicks fans on TKB have spoken...we are a VERY small sector of the fan base.

#Knickstape
#Knickstape

@Kvdaone It doesn't matter what shape we are in.  $30 mil is the reason why he stays.


Plus he knows he is damn near owner of the Knicks.


The Bargani trade they ran through Melo and he was accepting of it, they sold him the whole STRETCH idea.  The problem is Bargs when he is out there with another big does not work cause Melo still cant get the middle unclogged.


That's Why Melo and bargs are a good combo as long as Chandler or Stat aren't out there.  This works with KMart as well becuase KMart is a decent passer and can occasionally put the ball on the floor or take that line drive jumper.  He is a triple threat.  Chandler does none of the above.  Stat is good for the Jumper, but can't really pass and other teams beg him to put the ball on the floor for a TO.

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@Kvdaone Problem is this wouldnt be a problem if Melo just simply said I am staying with the knicks no matter what and I dont need free agency....

rico
rico

@JR Spliff  Phoenix is playing well and they are looking to ad not subtract. They think they can make a run. Don't know if they would entertain trading Dragic despite his pending Free Agency. Bledsoe is the future but you never know…if we could trade then Melo for 3 1st rounders and expiring contracts to match

rico
rico

@pdxknicks Ya can't be Steinbrenner when in the NBA, SALARY CAP. 


Dolan should own the METS…he'd outspend the Yankees for a ring.


lola69
lola69

@pdxknicks I agree we have not been suffering this long for nothing. Things have to get better sooner rather than later. You know how life works most times. Things get much worse before the rainbow.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@pdxknicks Woodson should've been gone in December.

As long as he's around, the season is lost and Denver will get a nice, high lottery pick.

He's bickering with the players, throwing them under the bus. 

Players have understood that he's very limited and are now questioning his lack of adjustments (when your favorite pet, JR, questions you, you gotta realize you suck).


Nothing more can be done as long as Woodson's around.

I'm also very disappointed at the lack of urgency, heart, hustle, and professionalism shown by this bunch. I don't care if your record is 0-50, you still gotta go out there and give 100% night.


This season has been a complete disappointment in every sense of the word.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@zdiddy4nyk Part of why we're a poor rebounding team is because we switch so much (in addition to not having any real rebounders on the team). Bigs end up on the perimeter and guards end up in the paint trying to box out 6'10 and up. 


We don't even just switch pick and rolls...we switch off the ball even when no pick is set...just for no reason lol. It's amazing when you watch it. 

Harris Decker
Harris Decker

@SheSaidSpikeWho This poll was conducted by WFAN's Evan Roberts as well in a separate forum. He got the same results. It's pretty clear based on two different polls that this is the temperature of Knicks fans.

#Knickstape
#Knickstape

@ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK @Kvdaone Think about this.


Melo can be playing as a double agent.  Teams will woo him and tell him what their plans are moving forward.  For example what other free agents they will pursue.  Who will be traded. Things like that.


Then he can come back to Knicks management and tell them, Knicks can then formulate that info and readjust their sights on acquiring talent.


No?


Maybe I'm way off, put Melo isn't leaving NYC capital of the world and $30 mil on the table to go be someone's robin.  that's my opinion.

pdxknicks
pdxknicks

Didn't see that- i guess hoops hype doesnt keep up w new data.

So were screwed. Maybe gets some Euro guys

lola69
lola69

@VerySilentJay @pdxknicks If teams were meant to motivate themselves they wouldn't need a coach. He is getting paid the big bucks to be their psych, their motivational speaker, their teacher, their mom and dad if need be. Mike Woodson as you said is extremely limited. I think he has a learning disability or something. I'm not joking about that.

kidrobot
kidrobot

@PimpDaddy Cool story.  I am a grown man- sorry I don't talk to bro's who refer to themselves as pimps

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@SheSaidSpikeWho@zdiddy4nyk Switching should only be last resort on a PnR...I don't see why we cant try and trap the PnR more often...or run a 2.9 defense in the paint...have to try some thing new and different.

lola69
lola69

@Harris Decker @SheSaidSpikeWho The temperature of Knick fans is pretty hot right now. Frustration is boiling over because absolutely nothing is being done to make them better. Human nature seems to be to simply 'BLOW UP' the whole thing but when thinking clearly folks would feel a lot different. Ask them if they want everybody gone after Mike Woodson is fired and the new coach gets us a couple of wins. They would not feel the same way.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Harris Decker @SheSaidSpikeWho 


I don't know who Evan Roberts is nor do I listen to WFAN. Is that other forum another blog? If so, I just don't think two blogs can declare the temperature of millions of Knicks fans unless you had a decent sample size. If the sample size is too small then that can't be a clear representative of anything. 


What was the sample size, if you don't mind me asking? 

Thanks for responding, btw. 

lola69
lola69

@VerySilentJay @lola69 @pdxknicks The team actually did motivate themselves in one very important game. The day before they played the Heat they did not want MW's negative dust on them so they played the sick card and they did not practice. They beat the Heat as you know. In order to play consistently that way you have to believe in what your coach is touting. This team no longer believes anything MW has to say.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@lola69 @VerySilentJay @pdxknicks Any who's ever palyed sports, at any level, knows that you need to be strong enough to self motivate.

Obviously, your coach needs to have that quality as well when your spirits are down,

But when you're a professional athlete that's a plus. You're a seasoend player and have to understand that every night is one you give 100%. That's on the player. A coach can hel with his motivating skills, but as a pro you gotta have that quality on your own.

That separates the good from the great.

rico
rico

@zdiddy4nyk @Kiyan Carter Oh no not Marbury revisionism again?


He's a great talent but I knew when they got him and he proclaimed "I am the best PG in NY" while J Kidd was taking the Nets to the finals that it was going to go sh-t.  Even Marbury has lamented that he learned a lot from Larry Brown and wished it went differently.  


To be honest we could use him NOW!

nncyel
nncyel

@Mel Brown @zdiddy4nyk @Kiyan Carter Really? You think Isiah Thomas was a good GM and Donnie Walsh a bad one? Could you actually come up with some numbers supporting that position, like, say Isiah Thomas's winning percentage as GM?

nncyel
nncyel

@zdiddy4nyk @Kiyan Carter Wow, what a strange alternate universe you inhabit. A universe in which Isiah Thomas is a good GM and Donnie Walsh a bad one. 


Walsh was GM of Indiana for 17 years - the Pacers made the playoffs for 16 years. He drafted a hall of famer in Reggie Miller. None of those guys you mention will even sniff the Hall of Fame.


In 2012 he returned to the Pacers and has helped them become the best team in the EC. Still has an advisory role on this best team. Isiah is currently doing what exactly? He has no role whatsoever for an NBA team.


As far as the Knicks go, he was given the task of getting the team's salary cap situation in order so that they would have a chance of signing James or Wade or another free agent. He did a spectacularly good job of doing something that others thought impossible. 

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Nick White @SheSaidSpikeWho I know that it's NYC radio lol but I mean was the poll done over the radio? 


That's a pretty decent sample. Margin of error has to be at least 5-10% if we're talking about a population of a million or more, no? So, in actuality, the real number could be anywhere from 43% to 63%. 

Harris Decker
Harris Decker

@SheSaidSpikeWho Yeah no problem! WFAN is a major sports radio station in New York. I'm not sure what their sample size was but ours was about 2,500. I'm sure the WFAN sample size was larger.