62 points are great, but zero turnovers is simply incredible

Harris Decker

201401242155789084662Carmelo Anthony was incredible last night. He scored 62 points, breaking both the Knicks and Madison Square Garden scoring records and placing him into an exclusive class of Knicks. While the future of the Knicks remains very much in question, Anthony reminded an arena full of people what the Knicks are capable of.

For me, the incredible statistics don’t end with the 62 points. There are two zeros that tell two different stories about last nights game and the Knicks in general. First, Anthony managed to record zero assists. This had less to do with Anthony and more to do with the supporting cast being absolutely futile. Anthony repeatedly reached the paint, drawing double teams and dishing to wide open shooters. On multiple occasions, Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, J.R. Smith and Tim Hardaway Jr., bricked open shots. The fault for Anthony’s zero assists is on the supporting cast, not Anthony.

The other incredible statistic is the zero turnovers that Anthony recorded on Friday night. When a player scored, 62 points, you expect certain things. Among them are a fair amount of turnovers. In Kevin Durant’s 54 point performance earlier this year, he recorded 5 turnovers and Kevin Love added 4 during his 45 pointer. Anthony’s zero turnovers is simply incredible. He fought through double teams, made outlet passes and dribbled a ton, without the Bobcats recording a single steal.

It has to be noted that Anthony’s 62 point night comes on the first night that he will become the prominent power forward for the team. Without Andrea Bargnani, Kenyon Martin or Amare Stoudemire available, Anthony has to play most of his minutes at the 4, a position he thrived in last season. I’m looking forward to seeing the Knicks play small ball, the way they did last year and I hope that Mike Woodson continues to use this lineup once the big guys start to return.




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bywnda
bywnda

Hmm..... Fantasy becoming reality? I was playing NBA2K14 yesterday....the Lebron Challenge thingy. He lost the Championship bolted for NY along with trades for Nene, Basie and Faried. And Melo well he went the Bulls. Wow fiction is strange.

Chris
Chris

Melo scores 62 and gets criticized for no assists. Durrant scores 30 something and has 11 tos and gets a pass. I guess the grass is always greener in the other city. Melo shows no leadership. My question would be, how does one define leadership? Is it verbal, is it physical, what is it. My experience with 65 years of either being a participant or a coach has led me to my own conclusions on this vague but important question. In my own case, I have found that leadership starts and is directly related to coaching. The great coaches I have encountered have provided the leadership to spur their teams to greatness. They have encouraged and shown players the work ethic necessary to achieve both personal and team greatness. IMO the greatest that I have ever encountered was Wooden, who had a very simple but effective methodology when working with players, his mantra was to do 4 things, play hard, play , play smart, play together, and most important, since after all is said because it is a game, have fun. If you look at any great team in the history of sports in this country, you will find a great coach lurking around. Sometimes overtly out there, other times quite and resolute in his or her demeanor. To put the entire burden of leadership on the player, any player, again in my opinion shows an ignorance of sport  

Bobby Blazes
Bobby Blazes

Melo ain't leaving and Dolan aint

Trading him Lebron will join melo

In 2015 watch and see

miracle33d
miracle33d

Loved Tyler's contributions, but I also liked what Aldrich did. Imperfect as he might be, he put a body on Jefferson while in the paint and made him work. That's more than can be said about Chandler of late.

bluprint13
bluprint13

Missed an important fact Pablo also started running the offense.

monstah
monstah

Wow - fun to read all these futon coaches opinions - how much the team sucks, how bad Melo is for the franchise, how we need years to rebuild, etc. Look, I think we can all agree that the owner is a joke - I do not recall too many Dolan defenders but can we really forget that after NO ONE and I mean NO ONE picked us to do anything last year - we won 54 games, the Division and beat the Celtics in the playoffs - now yes, by the time we played the Pacers, ALL our veterans were broken down and ineffective and we looked like crap in that playoff. But whose to say that next year we compete and win the Division again? We could. But here's what I think is important - I think we unload Smith and Felton and really try and get a real PG! (And to be honest, I do not think Woodsen is the right coach for a NYC spotlight - he seems too impatient with young players. Like Tyler for one - I think this kid could develop into a strong NBA player, but not sure if Woodsen is the right coach to do it)

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

It's simply amazing in that Melo scores 62 pts and some are saying he's the best and that we need to keep him and etc.  When he has a bad game, some says be's a total bust.  

For me, it's neither in that Melo is never bad as some says and he surely isn't as good as some says.  Melo is a scorer who has major talent yet Melo hasn't proven he can lead a team consistently outside being a scorer. That the one thing I would like to see Melo do more on this team. Thinking or expecting him to score 40+ pts each game is totally unreasonable. Expecting our max player to be a leader of this team is not. 



foley
foley

Great job by Carmelo "trade bait" Anthony.  Maybe this will cause another team to pay a decent price for him.  The fact is they are going nowhere with him because outside of Chandler this team stinks. If it was a player away.... great.  But even adding a good point guard is not going to win a championship.  I am a huge Knick fan but I am realistic.  It is going to take at least 3 to 4 years to rebuild this franchise and the best thing by far is to trade off the 2 assets they have in him and Chandler and start rebuilding through the draft, what they can get for them and maybe a decent signing or 2.

Marvel
Marvel

Anyone think woodson can develop Tyler??


Dude is a TALENT waiting to be molded..


wish we had a real coach.



lola69
lola69

Carmelo will win a chip in MSG at some point. Can't wait!!! 

cole3244
cole3244

its nice too see that some realize what a great player lebron is and that although melo is a great scorer he is not a super star in the mold of lebron.


lebron plays both ends of the court, includes his teammates in the action by distributing the ball, and makes those around him better, melo does neither of those, he is a scorer and a great one but scoring can be overrated depending on the number of shots you take to get your total for the night, last night was an aberration so don't fall back on that as an argument.


the knicks need to trade melo and get a substantial return rather than resigning him or getting nothing if he leaves, he won't leave because its always about the money no matter what they say. 

dolan has a chance to do the right thing but i'm not optimistic he will do what's best for the franchise if past history is any indicator, and it usually is.

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

@Bobby Blazes i had a dream lebron came to knicks with jammer nelson 

and we finally got a title

then aliens invaded and i woke up. 

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Tyler showed me some ability and heady play, but I'm not sold on Aldrich. True, you can't teach 7"/250 (or whatever he weighs) but he's pretty slow laterally, and he wasn't able to provide help on several drives. Guys like Amare and Bargs are particularly bad at this, so it would be good to have someone who provided that on the roster. He also has zero offensive ability... That said, in this lost season we should play him and make a more informed valuation. I'm 100% for finding out what we have, and that applies to Murry, Tyler and Aldrich.

A hallmark of contenders in this league during salary cap era is getting quality minutes/productions from low contract dollars that you bring in to rest and complement stars.

If one of Aldrich, Murry and Tyler emerges as a guy who can give you 10 quality minutes nightly, it's a victory. Anything more is a bonus.

lindro88
lindro88

Everyone looks a little better with a 30 point lead.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@miracle33d 

Aldrich was clearly overmatched against Jefferson. He looks fundamentally sound and should hold his own against backup centers. Looking at Tyler and Aldrich should be a major goal for the organization. Both are young and inexpensive.

foley
foley

@monstah 


Most teams would love having Dolan as an owner.  I truly have never understood the issues with him other than the big one - his Isaia Thomas infatuation.  But he has an open checkbook and stays out of things for the most part.  There is plenty of blame to go around, but this is hardly the first team that made some questionable personnel decisions along the way and needs to rebuild.  Forget the finger pointing, recognize that as constructed this team cannot win and is not 1 or 2 players away, and figure out how best to use your assets to construct the future.


lindro88
lindro88

People have opinions, just like you do. In fact your opinion includes trading JR Smith. Let me ask you to name a team that you think would be interested in adding JR Smith and all the nonsense that comes along with him. He had the best season of his career last year and still couldn't find one other team willing to give him a multi yr deal, better than the deal the Knicks so foolishly gave him. You also want to trade Ray Felton. Again, let me know what kind of player he'd bring back. He's probably the worst starting PG in the league. In fact I'd go so far as to say at least 10 teams have backup PG's better than him. So you call other people "futon coaches" when in reality you are no different. I was waiting for something really insightful, considering you immediately separated yourself from the rest of the people who post on this site. All you came up with is Woodson needs to go, Tyler looks promising and you'd like to see our two worst/most distracting players traded.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

You obviously dont know the definition of a leader...so your point is moot...have a nice night. Lol.

brookdon
brookdon

I've said this before.....us waisting the amnesty on Billups and not saving it for Amare was the move that hurt us the most the last 5 years. I respect Amare and all he's done, and his career trajectory has been unfortunate, but replace that contract (and the deals we made as result of having him ala Chandler and Bargs) and we are looking at a different team.

lindro88
lindro88

I hope you are a very patient person.

foley
foley

@cole3244 


For what its worth I tend to agree with you.  I do not believe that the points one person scores is relevant at all to how good a team is.  The fact is..... as a team you are going to get a certain number of shots per game.  It really doesn't matter that much when it comes to wins the percentage of those shots one player takes.


Other way to look at it that might make more sense..... if you as a team get 100 shots per game and one player takes 30 of them.... well its nice on the stat sheet if he scores 30 points, but ultimately so what?  If someone else had the shots or they were better distributed your team overall would still score the same amount.  The most important stat to me is points per shot.

lola69
lola69

@cole3244 What planet are you from? Maybe you're one of Lebron's kids.

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@Heartcore @Kiyan Carter I agree with most of what you said but I would ask....

Does Dolan really get his money from the regular fan???

I think NOT! Perhaps he gets it from other rich folk that participate by giving away tickets for his games. I havent bought a thing knick related in decades and I consider myself a FAN. 

1harris1
1harris1

They should also do the same with Toure Murry.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Open checkbook is mostly irrelevant because of salary cap. If there was no cap, the Knicks would have won multiple championships over the past years because virtually no one can outspend them. Unlike in baseball where you can throw money at bad signings (like dynasty Yankees), you're stuck with bad decisions in the NBA

brookdon
brookdon

lol Al Harrington's best year was worse than Carmelo's worst year. GTFOH with that BS

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

You'd think one of the 25 or so coaches Al had as he bounced around the league would've figured out he had another Carmelo on his bench if he just got enough shot attempts. C'mon bro

lindro88
lindro88

Unless they've been lying, the plan has always been to resign Melo. Last night didn't change anything. It's up to Melo to do the right thing and let the owner who traded away his whole team, and what's looking like a possible lottery pick, know if he intends to stay. If he doesn't agree to sign, he's got to be traded. No way they can roll the dice and possibly watch him leave without getting something back.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301Yep, all leaders have to do is score 62 pts one night and make max money and you're good. 


No one is saying we have a championship team but to think we can't win against poor teams at home is beyond pointing the fiingers just at our bad coach.  But you keep making those excuses and keep pointing out all the players Melo don't have to help him while Melo make his max dollars have a historical game once in a long while.

cole3244
cole3244

@foley@cole3244good point, when a particular player takes an inordinate number of shots chances are many are not good shots and someone else had a better look, but selfish is the downfall of many teams & dreams.

spacing and ball movement are the keys to o and we have neither.

lindro88
lindro88

I'm a Melo fan, but what is wrong with someone wanting to go in a different direction. This team is in terrible shape right now. Last night was great, but it was just one game. Melo will eventually decide his own fate. The FO has already made it clear they want him back. If he wants to leave than he has to be traded. They'll never get back what he's worth, but they can't go into the offseason hoping he decides to stick around.

cole3244
cole3244

@lola69when you kiss melo's arse which cheek do you prefer left or right?

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@Heartcore @ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK @Kiyan Carter 

Again. I said nothing about chandler and for whatever it is worth I agree with you. Chandler can go!!! I am at the very least considered a FAN but I dont go to MSG and I havent bought a jersey or ticket in a long long time. A dollar is a dollar true enough, but I just think that Dolan could give 2 shets about us regular fans since that is NOT where his bread is really buttered!!!

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

I'm aware it's a soft cap, but I don't think the distinction is relevant. Right now Amare's contract is a problem. If his $21+ million wasn't on the books, you'd better believe the Knicks would have more talent around Carmelo.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

I'm not diminishing the success formula of complementing home grown stars with quality free agent signings, but you can't say that the Yankees didn't overcome mistakes that would have crippled teams with less financial resources. We'll never know, but lower budget teams might not have overcome a Farnsworth, Irabu, Igawa or Nick Johnson signing

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@Brostoevsky Dynasty Yankees won with their own Home Grown talent and few key signings. That was back when the Yankees had good  Management and Stick Michael was great at development. After he left the Yanks were never the same. Throwing money at guys like Sheffield, Kevin Brown, A-Rod, etc. Btw, people also forget the Yanks had to eventually pay their own Home Grown stars. Jeter, Pettitte, Posada, Mo, etc.

cole3244
cole3244

@lindro88he will never leave its all about the money and you are naive to believe otherwise.  i agree the fo wants him back, but that's just another bad decision among many this franchise has made under dolan, who has turned a once proud franchise into a virtual laughing stock to not only the nba but the sports world in general and i as a very long time fan (not fanatic) am sick and tired of it.

i root for the franchise not an individual player and i want my team to prosper unlike some who seem to be satisfied with mediocrity as long as their fav player is here, that's a melo attitude to a tee and nothing will change as long as that's the popular opinion by the fans and the fo.