Another night, another routing for the Knicks against Golden State

Harris Decker

The idea of can it get any worse seems like the worst cliche in the world right now if you’re a Knicks fan. Every night feels like the bottom and while you’d like to say it can’t get any worse, it seems to each and every night. Last night, one year after Stephen Curry put up 54 points inside the Garden, he recorded his 4th career triple-double and led the Warriors to a convincing win over the Knicks.

curry-knicksA loss to a team like the Warriors shouldn’t come as a surprise. After all, they are one of the NBA’s best teams, just 3.5 games out of first place in the Pacific Conference and a sure fire playoff team. Losing to the Warriors isn’t the surprise. The complete lack of fight is more alarming. So is the complete defensive breakdown that we’ve seen throughout this season.

Carmelo Anthony had this to say about the teams defensive effort. “Those are things we can correct…I don’t think it’s about heart…we just have to commit ourselves on that end.” The heart that he is referencing came in response to what J.R. Smith told the media just a few minutes before. “It’s not a mental thing, it’s a heart thing” Smith lamented, hanging his head after the brutal loss.

What was scary on a night like this was how hard Carmelo Anthony worked to try and win a game that they were completely outmatched in, and how ineffective the rest of the team was in supporting him. Anthony led the way with 22 points and Tim Hardaway Jr. and J.R. Smith added 22 and 17 points respectively. After those three, the rest of the team failed to break double digits.

The teams demeanor on the court was just as bad as the attitude in the locker room after the game. Tyson Chandler got into it repeatedly with Marreese Speights and was eventually ejected from the game. His attitude towards Speights told the story. He got pushed around and instead of responding by playing harder and hitting shots, he responded by getting in Speights’ ear and eventually heading to the locker room early.

In the end it was a loss. A single loss to go along with the other 4 losses that came directly before it. The Knicks are struggling and there is no end in sight.




95 comments
Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Mike Woodson is an incompetent idiot. The biggest things he has going for him are the puppet GM and empty-suit owner who seem blindly committed to inaction on this coaching debacle.

Know this: Mike Woodson has a ZERO percent chance of coaching this team next year. ZERO. So why perpetuate the disaster? Only Dolan knows.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Last night, it seemed that whenever the chants of "Fire Woodson" seemed like they might get a little loud, the Knicks either played the "boom-boom-clap" or one of the other sound effects they have to drown them out. Maybe it was just me lol.

hashburry
hashburry

Now in the world does JR Smith have the nerve to call out any of his teammates? He is the absolute worst teammate in the league and a zero effort guy.

Anti_u
Anti_u

Watching Knicks basketball was so fun last year. We took charges, we trapped, ran the fast break. What happened? Was J.Kidd that important to our success last year?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

I miss Jared Jeffries. Sure he couldn't make a layup, but the guy played his heart out on defense and would take charges. We get about 1 per week now.

That's how you know it's a bad year.

buddhabing
buddhabing

Does Woodson have a contract for next year? Why was he forced to change his representation to CAA? Why did Dolan demand that? What was in it for him?

lindro88
lindro88

Wouldn't it be nice to see Melo get in a teammates face one time. The way superstars do. Guys like Kobe, Durant, Jordan, etc. Even Garnett at this stage of his career called out his team for playing like garbage. Calling it unacceptable. I know everyone is wired differently, but I would pay to see him rip into JR for his comments about the team lacking heart. Instead all you ever get from him are generic comments. Not trying to bash Melo, I am a big supporter of his, but he needs to get in some ones face now and then.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

I'm just sad. Melo might not even play Sunday because of his hand. Early reports are that it is a sprain and he is going to get it tested later. The only thing that could probably get me excited to watch Sunday's game is if Woody is fired. HE NEEDS TO GO. Just what in the hell were Melo and Tyson doing back in the game in the 4th?!? Leave the young/new guys out there. I enjoyed watching them play with pace and fight. I knew something was going to happen with either Melo or Tyson because they both looked extremely pissed all night. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Got home late last night from a concert and heard Chris Herring on WFAN late last night. He was talking about Chandler and said that he is as important to our defense as Melo is to our offense. To him, it looks like Chandler has had it with Woody and his switching. Says Chandler doesn't agree with the system and the constant switching. 

Here is a quote from January, “I don’t want to switch. I personally don’t like it. You come with a defensive plan and then every guy kind of mans up and takes his responsibility. I think switching should always be your last resort. That’s me, personally.”

Sounds and looks like Chandler has finally had enough of Woody.
 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Brostoevsky  

Perhaps they are trying to look somewhat stable.

2011- Fire Walsh (42-40)

2012- Fire D'Antoni (36-30)

2013  Fire Grunwald (54-28)

2014- Woody? Mills?

It's hard to attract top talent why you fire people on a regular basis, even when you have your first winning seasons in a decade.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Made the same observation to my wife at the game. I was sickened by how many Warriors 'fans' were there. You never saw that isht in the 90s

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

@hashburry I don't let JR off the hook, but i agree with his statement. I didn't see fire from anyone but Carmelo last night. Chandler in particular disappointed. He's a veteran with a ring, a big salary and a reputation as leader of this squad, and he showed ZERO last night. He was mentally beaten almost from the jump and let the opponent get inside his head. I'm glad the officials did what Woodson failed to do and took him out of the game. In reality he took himself out of the game. How do you think the JR Smiths of the world will react with Chandler behaving like that?

This is exactly the type of thing that requires you to fire the coach even if it doesn't make a difference in wins this year. We can't resurrect the poisonous culture that brought this whole place down during the lost years of Marbury and Isaiah. Time to instill order and discipline.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@hashburry  

From my experiences in life, those types of statements are more a form of disclosure about one's self and less about others. It's says more about JR than his teammates.

mike
mike

@Anti_u difference is last year was woodsons 1st full year, they did not have woodsons defensive minded scheme down pat yet. now they do! and there you have it.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Anti_u  

To a certain extent, we overloaded on the "knucklehead" quotient and lost high IQ, team oriented guys. You lose Kidd, Sheed, Kurt, Novak, Camby and replace them with MWP, Chris Smith, Bargnani and it changes the chemistry of the team. Then add in JR and Felton reverting back to below career norms and  you have a bad season.

rico
rico

@Anti_u  It's a collective mindset that is missing.  Too many players are in their own world. You can blame Woody, he does what he knows. You can say "as goes Shump so go the Knicks, as goes Chandler so goes the Knicks"  etc etc etc…so many reasons it's not working but most of all it's because they have lost all self confidence in themselves as a team.  JR is wrong (as if the heart thinks?) It's all about what is in their heads. This team is a psychological study in group depression and the culture of failure. NOBODY thought it would be this bad. ESPN was excoriated in October when they said "The Knicks will only win 37 games and likely take the 5th seed for the playoffs.  People thought that blasphemy claiming the Knicks would win 50 again.



Well? Paging Dr Freud!

rico
rico

@Knicks_Fanatic  JJ would also go to the backcourt with his long arms and virtually seal the perimeter. As a defensive specialist he was good. They should bring him in as a part-time player/ coach.  If you ever hear JJ talk hoops you learn he is probably the smartest guy in the room. 



lindro88
lindro88

Yes, he's guaranteed 3.5m next year

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Knicks_Fanatic  Maybe that's the value of Shumpert. I mean, we still lose and the defense isn't great when he's playing but we don't give up 116 points per game. Or maybe the entire team has quit. *shrug*. I certainly saw some "I don't give a fvck possessions last night. 

hashburry
hashburry

@lindro88  What good would it be to get in the face of the bums he has to play with?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@lindro88  

That's just not in his personal makeup. Melo leads through his actions, not words. There are different types of leadership styles. He is who he is.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@lindro88  I wish he would too sometimes. Whose face does Durant get in? I see Fisher get in people's faces...not Durant. Durant is more of the "pat you on the back/it'll get better type".

rico
rico

@Knicks_Fanatic  Chandler hasn't played well in a year and and half maybe longer. When was the last time you saw him sky and tip the ball back out to a teammate this year?  2 times maybe?



lindro88
lindro88

Nice to see him still out on the court down 25 in the 4th. Woody hoping the final score would look presentable.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Hard to say. I think they could attract the right person IF that individual was able to negotiate for full discretion over roster/personnel moves. Hard to imagine with this meddlesome owner

hashburry
hashburry

@Knicks_Fanatic @hashburry  JR deflecting blame.  As you say, it is why people attack other people.  To justify their own existence.  Similar to booing at a game.

I have to disclose I may be the biggest JR detractor here.  I haven't written it, but I hate watching him play.  I hate the way he dribbles, dogs it on defense and in particular the way he wastes the clock.  He was a terrible signing this year and once again the Knicks showed why they are the Island of Misfit Toys of the NBA.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@rico  

That Schoene projection of 37 wins was pretty much spot on in their rationale for the decline.

rico
rico

@lindro88  Woody knows if he gets fired he gets paid, if he quits he doesn't. Good for him for not being a quitter (like his team) 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@SheSaidSpikeWho @Knicks_Fanatic 

It's a lot easier to find some extra energy when you are 37-21, rather than 21-37. We are playing out the string and very few players are looking for a contract next season. Just about every Knick in the rotation is getting paid next year. They know they aren't going anywhere this season.

lindro88
lindro88

Tyler? Lol. How about doing it to a veteran player like JR.

lindro88
lindro88

That's true. Unfortunately in a crisis a franchise player has to go outside his comfort zone. Durant has started doing it. Melo can too. He's got to be sick to his stomach reading JRs nonsense.

lindro88
lindro88

Unfortunately when you have watched and been a fan of a team since you are a kid, it's not possible to just jump off and start rooting for a different team. Being a fan doesn't mean putting a positive spin on a terrible situation.

rico
rico

@Knicks_Fanatic @rico  His offensive limitations would have made him the a perfect fit for this years nix…oh right he played D, well. 


All part of Dolans master plan to send Denver to the lotto..DOH_lan

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Elvis Maduro @lindro88  It is called selective selection to make your point. If he yelled at the players as Jordan did, these guys would come up with something else to get on his rocks. Fortunately Melo does not give a S what these idiots say

lindro88
lindro88

Because it sends a message. Tyler might have done something wrong on the court, but he's not a clown.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@lindro88  My mistake. I see has yelled a few times this year. He's not on the Kobe or Jordan level but he has.

lindro88
lindro88

You can disagree. Go online and read about it. Durant has become a very different person as he's gotten older.

rico
rico

@lindro88  sometimes it's really refreshing to let it go and just watch good basketball. (which is not the knicks).  If you're a basketball fan you appreciate teams that play well together, not just live and die with your favorite team. 


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