Anthony decision day is Monday

Carmelo AnthonyDecision day for Carmelo Anthony to opt out is Monday.  The Knicks are waiting for the star forwards official decision and are holding their breath (Herring, June 20.) 

“If he makes the choice to opt out, I think he’s gone,” said one person familiar with the matter.”

Anthony opting out would hinder the Knicks’ ability to build a winner around him. Knicks president Phil Jackson had asked Anthony in a meeting last month to opt-in on his final year to help the team acquire better players under the salary cap.  (Iannazone, May 30). 

The Knicks without Anthony isn’t very appealing. Whenever a major star has asked out of a city the return is pennies on the dollar.  Teams do benefit with draft picks if they agree to a sign-and-trade, but the track record of quick rebuilds isn’t very good. (Kerber, June 22).


 

 




85 comments
chudogz1
chudogz1

Thank Dolan for this mess!!! Listening to CAA was crucial!

tw22
tw22

The Bulls can't sign Melo without a trade with us, same goes for Houston. The idea that we can build around Melo if he leavbes is probably the most redundant phrase ever written but with or without him they are in good position for 2015 if they get the right pieces back in whoever they sign and trade with.

1harris1
1harris1

It's hard to believe Melo's not opting out. What happens if he does so and winds up sustaining some kind of serious injury? I understand that you can obtain insurance against that, but only for so much.

I say no way he doesn't opt out. I'm not sure though why the source in Herring's article believes it's a foregone conclusion that he's gone if he does so. The Knicks can still offer more $$$ than anybody else.

nyfanincal
nyfanincal

Long time first time...


I understand both sides of the argument... However i want him to opt in, he is a top 5 player and given a ton of cap space next year i think we can build something similar to the Heat.  If he does choose to leave i just hope we have the opportunity to get something in return for him in a sign and trade as long as we don't commit to any contracts that are not expiring, we will still put ourselves in a position to build a great team.      


Obviously the worst case scenario:  He leaves and we get nothing for him.  

Best case scenario: He opts in and agrees to take less in 2015 so we can build a contender.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

Everyone is so sure if Melo leaves the Knicks are doomed lol. I think if Melo stays for the Max 5 yr 130 mil we are doomed. Gimme Melo for 5 yr 90-100 mil or sign and trade him for draft picks and expirings. A package of Butler, Boozer, Mirotic and a first round pick this year and a future first is a great haul for Melo in my opinion. If Bulls say no to that let Melo sign with them via gutting their team ( trading Taj, Mirotic, draft picks, amnestying Boozer). 

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

as long as we are evaluating hypotheticals Imagine if Denver didnt trade Melo and managed to get JaVale mcGee (they traded Nene for him) ?  then they didnt do the Iggy trade and ended up keeping Affalo


You'd have McGee/Melo and Fareid up front. with Arron Afflalo in the back court with Ty LAwson?


yeah Denver is better off trading Melo.. 

@Brother Blaque
@Brother Blaque

All the talk about Carmelo leaving the Knick is nothing more than carnival barking.

All these cats who supposed to be Knicks fans and want to see Melo go, their basketball acumen is very low.

Melo is a top 5 NBA player and you keep him and you surround him with a real team. 

Not the J.R. Smiths, Andrea Bargnani's or the Raymond Feltons...you scout and you find good players to compliment Mello.

This is a New York Team...we shouldn't lose a top 5 player to anyone. 

I'll personally be happy when the carnival barking is over.

Mello is a Knick 4 Life.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

"I'm all about moving forward," Jackson said. "Just deal with what is and move forward.

If it's in the cards, man, are we fortunate. If it's not in the cards, man, are we fortunate. We're going forward anyway."


Now that's the real NYC attitude.

Chris
Chris

If we look at the career of Melo. he has been on one losing team since age 8. Yet some on the site that are posing to live abroad yet post on Eastern Standard time would have you believe that this great player is a loser. I think Jimmie BX explained correctly several years ago. Melo is PR, and many other Latinos can`t stand that a PR can be that successful. Sad commentary IMO

cole3244
cole3244

without melo the knicks short term outlook is not positive but long term with patience and pj making the decisions & assuming dolan keeps his nose out of all bb business the long term outlook imo is positive.


we haven't won a title in over 40 years and haven't been in the finals for 20 so patience should not be a problem, whether dolan signs on with this only time will tell because he is the only one that could disrupt a plan like this. 

pj's contract is long enough to rebuild and compete for years, i hope this is the way pj goes and we return to the days of team bb and discard whatever we have been watching lately because it has nothing to do with team.

tw22
tw22

@nyfanincal The Heat won two titles, one on a wing and a prayer, now they've been exposed and are done as currently constituted.

therealprof
therealprof

@nyfanincal Welcome! I agree with most of what you are saying, until you spoke about building something similar to the Heat. The Heat model only works if 1) you have LeBron, 2) You play an inexperienced team in the finals (Thunder) or 3) Ray Allen bails you out with a miracle shot. Every other successful team wins with team work and a solid supporting cast around one major star and a solid 2nd option, IMO. But I get your point. We will be good if he stays and fine if he leaves and we actually get some return.

nyfanincal
nyfanincal

Even in the worst case scenario we put ourselves in a position to build a good team in free agency.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@OLDKNICK Golden State continues to be a mismosh of opinions with no clear directions..


There are SIX cooks in that kitchen. Consultant Jerry West,   Kerr, Lacob's Son, Lacob, the GM who hired MJ and the President who came over from PHX.. 



BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@JayfromtheFix but Jay.. all indications are that Melo isnt interested in fleecing the knicks for the FULL Max..


the 130 number is off the table.. Everyone seems cool with 5 years 90-100 mil and Im sure that's where a deal gets done.


I agree that Chicago SHOULD be forced to gut the team if the want Melo.   No making it easy for EC rivals.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Sandro Guedes so a lineup of 


JaVale McGee at C

Faried at PF  (young drafted player)

Melo (cause he loves Denver)

Arron Afflalo SF

and Ty Lawson  PG


wouldnt be a challenger in the West and meet all your conditions of building with young players?


NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@BiggieTKB Exactly! Who the HELL wants to play in Denver now? Melo attracted guys like AI, K-Mart, Nene to stay, Billups, etc. 

Chris
Chris

@@Brother Blaque Very valid point. Some on here have a brain.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@BigChiefTriangle It's not the end of the world and true New Yorkers know how to bounce back stronger from adversity.


It is a major set back tho.. 

1harris1
1harris1

Even though I think those numbers are somewhat misleading, I actually agree with you in that it's not the end of the world if he leaves. This is NY, and if we have cap room (which we have), and a guy with brains running the show (which we seem to have), we should be able to capably restock sooner than later.

I'd like Carmelo to stay, but I'm not getting nuts about it at this point.

Still think he stays, allthough I expect him to opt out.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes BS, losing Melo is the worst thing to happen to this franchise since it started in 47

Chris
Chris

@cole3244 PJ has a 5 year contract. We lose Melo. exactly what pieces do we have to build around, I~ll answer that for you none. How long will it take to rebuild a franchise with no pieces becomes the relevant question. The Cavs are not close, the Bucks are not close, the Hornets are not close, the Thunder are close, and they lucked out by Portland taking Greg Oden leaving Durrant to them. Who had to wait till he got Westbrook and a couple others and they haven`t won. %s really against rebuilding from scratch .

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@cole3244 Care to explain further? Phil is only here for 5 years. If Melo leaves, the Knicks will be garbage for 4 of those years minimum. 

1harris1
1harris1

I agree, if it indeed comes to that. Still thinks the Knicks are the favorites to sign him even if he opts out though.

tw22
tw22

@nyfanincal This is true forget these poseurs. Who is to say Lebron doesn't say "wait a minute, Phil Jackson and NYC, hmmm." His opt out date is not tomorrow. He has days to make a decision.


NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@nyfanincal Yea a team like in 2010. Felton, Fields, Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Amar'e and Mozgov.  

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@BiggieTKB @BigChiefTriangle If only they actually read properly...It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the Knicks will be horrible for awhile.

How far did we get in 2010 when we had all the cap space in the world? Settled for Amar'e when LeBron left us at the Altar. Added Felton to Wilson Chandler and Gallo. That team while entertaining was awful. It wasn't until we got the Superstar in Melo that we became a Playoff team. Could you imagine if we never traded for Melo where we would be? With Amar'e in and out of the lineup? People just don't think. 

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@Chris @cole3244 OKC had 3 top 5 picks in 3 consecutive years. I don't even count them. The only under the radar move I liked from Presti was finding Ibaka. SA is the only team in recent years that built through the draft and scouting the correct way. 

nyfanincal
nyfanincal

@NoVaCaInE @nyfanincal LOL, hopefully we have better luck this time.  Some combination of Melo, Aldridge, Love, Rondo and some quality role players

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris Followed the league since47? Been a fan for 0ver 60 years? What is your background in Statistics, ? Familiar with multivariable anything? I think no from your posts. Did you take the time to actually do analysis of the numbers you put forth. For example, the Spurs got the first pick and Duncan and had David on the roster, how you say, well David sat the season to get the pick. That is a variable

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris Senility? I don`t pretend to live in a foreign country, my basketball acumen is pretty good compared with your drivel and misusage of statistical data to pervert reality, really want to get  into analysis dialogue  with me?

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Sandro Guedes @Chris what happened to "the new sandro" that eschewed personal attacks and "stuck to the facts" and was "tired of the name calling"

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@NoVaCaInE @Chris @cole3244 last night some posters were slobbering over "the OKC way"


yeah if we luck into a Durant type talent at the #2 overall pick but for every Durant there are 20 Anthony Bennetts

Chris
Chris

@BiggieTKB @NoVaCaInE @Chris @cole3244 Actually less %, its under .1% chance of getting a super, we have one, and theses fools want him gone, go figure, jealousy runs rampart on this site

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB @NoVaCaInE @BigChiefTriangle The smart people here know the season was doomed from the start. The Dolan/CAA nonsense last offseason. Beginning with the Bargs trade, firing of Grunwald and adding back Mills, the Shump rift with Woodson and Dolan, the JR/Chris Smith stuff, Tyson's injury, Woodson losing the respect of his players and the Locker Room issues.

Keep with your silly sarcasm tho. Without Melo, the Knicks would not have been a Playoff team the previous years, or a team where guys like Tyson Chandler, etc. would consider coming to as FA's. With all the hate you display towards Melo, look at all the TOP players in the league who want to play with him! Use your brain Sandro.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris Numbers by themselves tell us nada. To use numbers correctly you must be able to interrupt the data not just list them. A five year old can regurgitate   numbers, to actually show validity of numbers to prove inductively a degree of certainty is the question, and you have demonstrated no knowledge of how to do that

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris Can I factor in the incompetence of DumPhony and DAW? We are going to be using Game theory with multivariable analysis aren`t we?

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Sandro Guedes @Chris Denver is a perennial also ran that takes advantage of being 5,000 feet above sea level by runnign a fast past offense to one of the best home record in the NBA


Getting Andre Igoudala helped them immensely.  And they got more than expected from  Faried both on the court and off.. 


not to mention Javalle Mcghee


all that said they are still an also ran despite all the picks and "young talent" they are back of the pack...


yet you praise them.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB @Chris irrelevant because there are other factors to evaluate ..



BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB @Chris how does getting JaVale McGee for Ronny Turiaf and Nene factor into the win/loss  at Denver?


How does getting Andre Igoudala as part of the disasterous trade of Bynum going to Philly..   (Iggy left in FA tho)


How does lucking out with Ken Faried at the 22 pick factor in?


You cant evaluate the records in a vacuum..