Carmelo Anthony

Anthony has high hopes for Knicks

Carmelo Anthony wants nothing more than to make a playoff run with the Knicks this season, after having to watch from the sidelines last season.

Anthony said this week that while fans might be hard pressed to expect a championship this season, he believes the Knicks are “absolutely” a playoff team (Daily News, August 18).

The Knicks All-Star cited the empty non-playoff feeling as his motivation to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

“I’m not the type of guy that becomes bitter but at the same time I know what I went through last year from an emotional standpoint and I don’t want to feel that again,” Anthony said Thursday at Barclays Center during a charity basketball game to support of CC Sabathia’s PitCCh In Foundation and Robinson Cano’s RC22 Foundation (Daily News, August 21).

Though Anthony is wary of claiming how many games the Knicks will pull for the win column, he is feeling good about the upcoming season.

“We will have a much better season than we did last year,” Anthony said. “As far as putting a number on the games we want to win, it’s hard to say right now. But as far as us feeling good about this upcoming season, the way we feel I’m confident in what we’re about to create. I believe we will be in the postseason.”

As far as his close call of whether or not he would return to the Knicks, Anthony doesn’t really like to talk about the whole ordeal.

“As far as me staying here, a lot went into that decision. At the end of the day, I did have to believe in Phil, I did have to believe in my teammates. So that’s all that matters,” Anthony said. “It was close, it was close. I don’t even like to talk about that.”

Now that all of the dramatics have died down for the star player, he’s just looking to make improvements with the team he calls home.

“This is home. There is no place like New York,” said Anthony. “Although the other situations were very intriguing, there is no place like New York.”




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Vernon Trexler
Vernon Trexler

Knicks maybe make playoffs but that's it.knicks gotta go to jersey like the Giants did (4SBs).they are cursed in MSG

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Almost Knick News!

Moving Rajon Rondo Not a Priority for Celtics?

While the Celtics are trying to figure out ways to clear roster space before training camp, moving Rajon Rondo is not a high priority. First off, Rondo will be a free agent next summer and fully intends on taking the LeBron James-Carmelo Anthony tour of teams and extending the negotiation process deep into next summer. It is highly unlikely Rondo would sign an extension this season with an interested team, especially the Sacramento Kings. Second, the Celtics don’t feel pressed to deal Rondo because they are still trying to determine if he’s part of the future and they are intrigued to see him in action a full 18 months following ACL surgery

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/moving-rajon-rondo-not-a-priority-for-celtics/


 

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

Anybody know when training camp starts?

ChamanTKB
ChamanTKB

some fans are going to eat crow this upcoming season .. their low expectations of certain players will take a turn (180) ... some fans will finally see how much of a difference a good management team makes ... they will be marked by the mark of Zen......"Z"

rgm891
rgm891

Phil is just chilling in his new NYC apartment.  The next Knicks news will be incredible.  

Railshock
Railshock

I guess no news is good news..?

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

One thing is for certain.  A team doesn't just "luck" into a 54 win season.  


On the flip side a team can easily dumb into a 37 win season. 



Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

Since there isn't a new thread, I thought this would be a fun topic to discuss.


Who is the better (or worse) coach?  Dantoni or Woodson?  


Dantoni argument - he did have a very successful suns team that got to the WCF and basically had one of the most unstoppable offenses ever in the history of the NBA.  He also seems to be pretty good and making average players who buy into his system much better and increasing his value.  As a Knicks coach, he took a team that had one all star, Stoudemire, a some young decent players to a winning record and a 6th seed before the team was broken up bc of the Melo trade.  Cons - super stubborn with his offensive system.  Didn't really coach defense.  Seems to really but heads and alienate star players that challenge him or don't fit into his system like Melo and Marbury or Nate (Nate isn't a star I know but remember how long Nate was in his doghouse?)  


Woodson - took over the Knicks after Dantoni quit and team played amazing down that stretch.  Coached a team that won 54 games, the division and our first playoff series win in over a decade.  cons - amazing close to the 2011-2012 season may have been more a result of the team wanting to prove they were good and Melo wanting to prove he was the right choice over Dantoni.  54 win team may have had more to do with Kidd and veterans, Melo playing at an MVP level and JR playing good in a contract win.  Reputation as a defensive coach overrated.  2011-2012 was good defensively but may have had more to do with personnel - Chandler, Shump, Jeffries, etc - than philosophy.  Constant need to switch on D and uncreative on offense.  


Neither are good under pressure in tight games.  If I had to pick one who was better, I would go with Dantoni.  I think with the right players and enough two way players who are good at D, Dantoni could take a team far in the playoffs.  When he had two stars that bought in and were good for his system and some decent defensive players, he got to the WCF and probably would have won a ring if Nash didn't get hurt.  


Woodson's only real accomplishment outside of The Knicks was being an assistant on a Detroit championship team.  But that was a very weak year for basketball and that team was built perfectly to compliment each other and they had Larry Brown as the coach.  He did help a crappy young Atlanta team turn into a decent playoff team but basically was fired from that job too once they hit their ceiling and the players grew tired of him.  Sounds familiar.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Shump's declining scoring is tied to his reduced shot totals. As a rookie, he averaged 9.1 shots per game. Last season, he got 6.5. It's hard to score more and shoot less. On a team with Melo, JR, Bargnani, STAT, and THJ,  everyone else isn't going to get many opportunities. So the question should be, what role should Shump play. He is clearly our best perimeter defender. To banish him for not scoring on a team loaded with shoot first, ask questions later players, who are, at best, average defenders, doesn't make sense.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@ChamanTKB No one prediced we'd win 54 games in 2012-2013.  No one predicted we'd only win 37 last year.  People use both of these seasons to justify their opinion about how well we'll do this upcoming season.  When the reality is that the last few seasons should show us that a good or bad season has a lot to do with things besides just pure talent.  Team chemistry, confidence, off court issues, injuries, etc...all play a big role. 

My prediction is we will quietly win close to 50 games this year.  We won't start out 18-6 or win 13 in a row and we'll fly kind of under the radar (we only have one ABC game this year).  But we'll get stronger as the season progresses and we learn the Triangle.  And we'll make some noise in the playoffs.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@ChamanTKB 

Our season will be determined by our ability to play defense. We will surely have enough firepower to keep us in games on offense. If we can get stops down the stretch and be more consistent, we will be fine.

brookdon
brookdon

It's almost the end of the offseason, you can't expect a trade everyday lol

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brizzy 

We did sort of "luck" into that 54 win season. Woody wanted to go big with all his vets; Sheed, Kurt, Camby, STAT, and Chandler, but age and injuries forced him into a small ball lineup that set a record for three point shooting.The opening and closing runs with Felton-Kidd and Felton-Prigioni as dual PG's was not by design, but by necessity. Woody would have preferred to go big, I believe, but never had enough healthy bodies to do so.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Blaze NYK 

I'd go with D'Antoni. He was a leader in exploiting the hand check rule change and making the three point shot a major component of the game. He did have an effect on the way the game is played today. Many players owe a part of their contracts to playing in the 7SOL offense. Woody surely has had success, but was never innovative in ways that impacted the game.

brookdon
brookdon

Better coach for the Knicks? Woodson and is not even close.

Better coach in general? Track record says D'antoni but it's arguable.

Woodson's unfairly is treated as the fall man for last years debacle...we has more success with him than under any coach since JVG. He turned us around defensively and had us in an offense that worked rather well for the majority of his time here. His failings however were hard to ignore. Was unable to adjust when his system didn't work. Terrible at putting each player in a position to succeed offensively. High school level defensice tactics. But all in all he was successful here. In ATL he took and average team JJ as it's best player and no real center to improving records and solid play, though they never took the next step. Had a generally solid track record with rookies, from Horford to Josh Smith to first year Shump. Never was able to develop them after that.

MD was a different story. One of the most stubborn coaches in NBA history who refused to change his system and in some ways he was right. The early to mid 2000's western conference was legendary. Prime Dirk, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett (though he didn't do much), T-Mac, etc and he took that suns team to multiple ECF's. Nash and Amare rival only Malone-Stockton and Pippen-Jordan for greatest offensive duos of alltime for that 5 year stretch. The issue is, the offense was ultimately a gimmick, being that while 7SOL fast break and quick strike offense with spread floors is idealistic, the roster built for him in Phoenix was tailor made for the system perfectly from Steve Nash down to raja bell. When he got to NY, he never had anywhere near that level of talent to fit the system like he had before and it's major issues were magnified. Defensively having stretch 4's as 5 doesn't work shadings bigger teams. Ball dominant PG's who can run the offense and wings weren't easy to come by. And that was his downfall in NY and in LA. He despised rookies from what I remember; he loved playing players out of position and never quite meshed with Melo, a halfcourt guy, when the team was obviously be shifted towards him post deal. He never made adjustments; just pushed his system. I don't buy the idea that he didn't care about defense. I think he wanted his teams to play it but saw it more as an effort thing; not to mention the system prohibits full time engaged defense with the constant running and lack of size emphasis.

phenomenal
phenomenal

@Blaze NYK I think if both coaches are allowed to mold / build the roster, D'Antoni's team would be better (they would win more games) and go deeper into the playoffs.  That high paced offense when executed right does well, especially in this NBA where few teams are equipped to counter it. 

However, I don't think D'Antoni's style (or at least D'Antoni himself) is good enough to win a championship.  His lack of defensive attention and accountability would just make it too tough to really win.

To me, although Woody preaches defense, that switching thing is stupid the way he leans on it. I think D'Antoni might slightly edge Woodson, but that's in a vacuum where you can mold the roster the way you want.  Mindstate alone, Woodson could be considered better cause he would probably do well with any random set of decent players while D'Antoni needs a certain type of players.

brookdon
brookdon

Shump stopped getting shots because he missed so many open ones and started getting phased out of the offense.

phenomenal
phenomenal

@Knicks_Fanatic I feel you.... but I remember watching Shump pass up many an open shot or do the "catch the ball give 3 or 4 hard dribbles" and pass it back to Melo cause he couldn't breakdown his man.  I feel like as a rookie and as a sophomore when he made his return from injury and started getting into the flow, he was more aggressive on the offensive end leading to more opportunities. 

He's one of the players that frustrates me the most because I think the kid has CRAZY potential... and he just isn't quite reaching it.  Honestly, this is prolly due to the coaching he's had in the NBA.  Maybe Fish could push him in the right direction.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Knicks_Fanatic Good point.  This is where the triangle could really help him as it creates opportunities to score for players like Shumpert who aren't scorers.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@BiggieTKB I mean, he's brought Boston a team that won a championship, was 30 seconds removed from a second one and got to the ECF 3 times.  He's earned their trust.  Its also a much smaller media market so he only has to have the trust of a few reporters to get his message out there. 

Phil will eventually be able to do the same here.  I think he's all ready made good headway by being more open and candid.  Dolan's closed door paranoid approach to the media created a lot of enemies.

And I see Boston's POV on this.  Rondo is somewhat of an unknown right now.  We've never seen the guy for a long period of time without his big 3 and he's coming off ACL surgery.  So I wouldn't want to move him right now if I was Boston too.

RivDim
RivDim

The Celtics finished 25-37 lasts season following a first round playoff defeat at the hands of the New York Knicks. But boston media understands that doing its part to strengthen rather than weaken the team's bargaining strength as it relates to trades and intraleauge transactions can be valuable to the team's success.

New York's media and quite frankly some knicks fans need to understand that constantly over analyzing and overstating the team's shortcomings is ignorant and amateurish. Phil addressed this in his opening remarks. Too many when discussing the knicks were either too ignorant or biased driven to counter the national media's false agenda driven perception of the Knicks as the most underachieving NBA team with immovable contracts until next summer. While improving the roster and getting 4 rotation players in the deal the Knicks have already moved Felton and Chandler. One of either Amare or Andrea can and probably will easily be moved with further roster upgrades by the deadline.

There is a more professional medium between what we seen coming from the boston media as it relates to rondo and the celtics and what we have seen from the New York tabloid media.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB 

Ainge has that Mormon Zen thing going in Beantown.

So do you think they just haven't got the right offer yet or that his unwillingness to sign an extension makes him tough to trade?

Railshock
Railshock

@brookdon True. I just need my Knicks fix.. It's been three days since the last article

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic I'm sorrry, but that's ludicrous. You really don't luck into 54 wins. You really don't. I'ts about overachieving and adjusting.


For better or worse, Woodson went with a small lineups, adjusted due to injury, overachievements and underachievements.

He took his chances with a P&R, 3 pt shooting offense and it payeyd off. The mid season struggles proved that the 3 ball isn't something to rely on so strongly, but better play helped the team overachieve in the last 3rd of the season.


When you take someting negative (injuries), and adjust to make it a positive, that's not luck, that's recognizing who the better replacements are and who can step up when needed.

Kidd stepped up when Felton went down. Prigs stepped up late in the season. JR stepped up the entire season to have the best year of his career.

And Woodson's changes resulted in a very positive season.


I'm with @BiggieTKB on this one. Credit must be given where it's due.

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@Knicks_Fanatic Disagree.  At the professional level amongst the best athletes in the world a team doesn't luck into 54 wins.  Teams can luck into small win streaks but not a compilation of 54 wins, a division title, and a first round win.   Sorry.... it doesn't work that.

brookdon
brookdon

I don't think that's fair. Just because someone adjusts doesn't mean they lucked into something. That's like saying the Heat lucked into a finals appearance two years ago because their centers sucked and they played Bron at the four out of necessity. Give credit where credit is due.

Not to mention lucking 60 times out of 94 games, including the playoffs is incredible.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@phenomenal @Blaze NYK I see what you are saying.  Woodson's defensive scheme worked when he was the assistant and after Dantoni left bc that team had good defensive players who could guard multiple positions.  Chandler, Jeffries (who was quietly huge during Linsanity), Shump...even Fields, Walker were pretty good defensively.  The 54 win season the defense definitely slipped but it didn't matter bc we were so good offensively (running Dantoni's system basically...the irony!)  Last year our offense slipped just enough to expose the defense.

I still give the edge to Dantoni bc he's had more overall sucess as a head coach.  The year the suns went to the WCF if Nash had not been hurt they would have won a championship bc they would have faced Cleveland who was not ready.

brookdon
brookdon

The problem with molding a d'antoni style roster is that it's very hard to do assuming to don't have the players already. Guys like Shawn Merion and Steve Nash don't grow on trees. A true D'antoni roster would be more successful but Woodson's style is more adaptable being that there is no real roster requirement outside of an isolation/post up scorer and shooters. For MD you need a ball dominant PG, bigs who can shoot and make outlet passes, and forwards how can play the four as well that can shoot 3's at a high clip and are willing to clear out of the way and watch the high PNR endlessly.

brookdon
brookdon

The problem is the triangle guards are supposed to be able to still hit open shots when they come available and finish at the rim off of cuts. Can Shump do either of those things well? I think he deserves a chance but I'm skeptical.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@VerySilentJay @Knicks_Fanatic @BiggieTKB 

luck noun \ˈlək\

: the things that happen to a person because of chance : the accidental way things happen without being planned

We did not plan for small ball.


Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brizzy @Knicks_Fanatic 

Hey, if that's the case, then we also didn't dumb into 37-45 either. You just can't take credit for every success you have then discount your failures.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon 

I said we sort of lucked into it. It's like injuries dealt us lemons and we we turned them into lemonade. Without the lemons, no lemonade.

Besides we blew that team up ASAP after the season. Dolan/Grunwald went away from that style of play. They didn't believe in it.

phenomenal
phenomenal

@brookdon I think in this NBA it wouldn't be THAT hard to find a PG that D'Antoni likes... I mean, Jeremy Lin came outta nowhere and did well in the Pringles Offense lol

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@brookdon I think he can hit open shots if he's set up correctly in the flow of the offense. 

ChamanTKB
ChamanTKB

@Sandro Guedes 

thanks for the heads up Phil....smh

brookdon
brookdon

If you keep saying it, it doesn't mean it will happen lol.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic Nevertheless, could've opted to go in another direction, without the 2 PG lineup, yet they didn't.

JR could've started, for example, Shump coul've remained at the 2 instead of becoming the staring 3, just to give you another example..

Woodson had choices. It was his decision to go with the 2 PG lineup.


In any case, player's injuries aren't where you "get lucky".


You can pull out definitions, yet you choose to forget the simplest of facts: Woodson didn't luckily stumble into the 2 PG-small lineup. He decided to go in that direction


Chance might've played a factor in the injuries, but it didn't in Woodson's decision among the many he had.

And if that's the thinking, then it's not his fault we had a lottery type season,because he lucked out on many players underachieving, locker room issues, public bantering, and so on.


Again, credit, and blame, must be given where it's due.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic You take credit for W's and L's.

Which is why Woodson didn't luck into anything with a 54 W season.

He made changes which worked and many players overachieved.

Last season all his adjustments did not work and many players underachieved (including himself in a vicious manner).

This leads, of course, to such radically different recrods.

Mel Brizzy
Mel Brizzy

@Knicks_Fanatic With all that transpired at the beginning of the season which set the tone, and the discord in the locker-room, i would say that the 37 win season was not an accurate reflection of the team.


Especially, considering the talent we have/had.  From my experience it's always easier for a team to fall or dumb into a losing season than it is to earn a substantial amount of wins followed by a division title, and a first round win.  


It's not about discounting anything.  It is this simple....


Winning is ALWAYS harder than Losing.  Period.  

brookdon
brookdon

Lin was a flash in the pan though. That wouldn't have lasted long. He was putting up legendary numbers. He wasn't going an entire season putting up 25 and 8.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@VerySilentJay @Knicks_Fanatic 

I don't disagree with you, except on the word luck. Luck is not an all encompassing reason for anyone's success or failure. By saying we had a sort of luck, just means that we had some good fortune. It doesn't mean it was unearned, unwarranted, or undeserved. We won 54 games, which is great. Every button Woody pushed was the right one in 2012-13. It all worked out in a manner that I believe involved a bit of luck.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brizzy 

I'm not discounting the achievement of the 54 wins. If playing small ball with Melo at the 4 and 2 PG was responsible for that season, why is no one in favor of it today? It's pretty much consensus that we should move Melo back to the 3 and go with a traditional lineup. 


TkBK1ng
TkBK1ng

@Knicks_Fanatic @Mel Brizzy  because we didn't want melo to be guarding david west Duncan Zach Randolph etc ... they are not guarding him on the other end so its not really a mismatch

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Knicks_Fanatic @Mel Brizzy I think bc we see that while its successful to play Melo at the 4, long term its not good for him bc of the increased risk of injuries.  I imagine he will still play the 4 this year when the match ups favor us doing so.