Blake Griffin for Carmelo Anthony makes zero sense for the Knicks

Harris Decker

Carmelo Anthony, Blake GriffinFor the past few weeks, ESPN’s Chris Broussard has been reporting about the potential of a Clippers-Knicks trade, swapping Blake Griffin for Carmelo Anthony. Yesterday, he expanded on his report, saying that according to league sources: “New York Knicks officials have discussed proposing a trade to the Los Angeles Clippers for Blake Griffin.”

I want to be the one that tells you that this makes absolutely no sense.

Over his career, Blake Griffin has averaged 20.6 points per game, adding 3.5 assists and 10.4 rebounds. There’s no doubt he’s an incredible talent. During his 4 seasons on the Los Angeles Clippers, Griffin has played in a grand total of 17 playoff games, winning 1 series over the Memphis Grizzlies in ’11-’12.

There are a number of things to factor in while considering this trade. First is the why. As Broussard points out, if the Knicks feel that they won’t be able to resign Anthony once he opts out, then they have to explore trading him. They can’t allow what happened to the Los Angeles Lakers during the Dwight Howard saga to happen to them. They need to get something in return for him. As it stands today, I firmly believe that Anthony will stay in New York, re-signing and then bringing guys to play with him here.

Second is a look into the styles of these two players. Both are forwards, with Anthony able to play both power and small forward. Griffin is relegated to primarily playing power forward. The main difference in their games is that Anthony is much more talented in finding his own shot. He can knock down shots from almost anywhere on the court, shooting 34% from behind the arc over the course of his career. Griffin has the ability to create a shot but most often, that shot has to originate inside the paint.

Chris Paul is another thing to factor in when looking at this trade. This is the most important factor for me. Since Griffin’s 2nd year in the league, he has played alongside Paul, who has been an elite point guard in this league over his 8 year NBA career. While he did play without Paul during his rookie season, he played that year with Eric Bledsoe and Baron Davis. He’s always had a guy to feed him the ball and set things up for his epic alley-oops.

If he were traded to New York, he’d be in the same position Anthony is in now. He’s a great player without any semblance of a point guard. Raymond Felton, Pablo Prigioni and Beno Udrih have all been bad this year and Griffin’s game will suffer the same way Anthony’s would thrive if put with Paul. It is in that light that the Clippers should jump on this opportunity. If I were Gary Sacks, I wouldn’t be able to accept this trade quick enough.

The only thing that pushes me into this trade as a Knicks fan is age. Griffin is only 24 years old while Anthony will be 30 this May. Obviously the opportunity to get younger would be great for the Knicks, but at what cost?

Griffin would be a shell of himself without an elite point guard and if you’re asking me which player I’d rather rebuild around, the answer would be Anthony every single time. The Knicks need a point guard. Plain and simple. They need a guy who can feed the ball to the open man and until then, having a guy who can create his own shots is more beneficial than an elite rebounding, slam-dunk specialist. Sorry Blake, we’ll stick with Melo.




158 comments
ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

Griffen is not smarter than a bag of rocks,no thanks ,he is overated much like Howard.

Ronnie Samuel
Ronnie Samuel

What you're ignoring is the fact Melo hasn't signed a long term extension, so how do you support this idea of building around Melo ? The Knicks cannot under any circumstances allow Melo to make it to free agency. That means they can and should actively explore all trade scenarios involving Carmelo Anthony. It isn't like they have to negotiate a contract because Melo is a max player. It's either he signs before the trade deadline or you take the best offer for him.

Joseph Baffi
Joseph Baffi

ywhy not take griffin if you can get him atleast he signed for 5 yrs asnd will still be under 30 at end of contract and as for he  had paul that were getting rondo comes in I think that a good start for the future

cole3244
cole3244

of course griffin isn't as talented as melo, i mean to some koolaid drinkers here melo should have been the mvp over james last year and that's a fact jack.

redhorse
redhorse

Im not a big griffin fan and always thought he was an overrated player ,but the knicks absolutely cannot lose melo for nothing...if we do we are set back a few years and we dont have any picks to makeup for it... and if we do grt griffin atleast we can have another trading chip or a younger piece to build around....I am for keeping melo but if he wants to stay why doesnt he just sign with us before he hits free agency???? If I were the knicks mngmnt I think that wsy especially if we keep playing this way this yr

ktab
ktab

Of course we all want Melo over Blake, but the question is do you want Blake over nothing and the answer is yes. 


Not much thought went into this post. Guess i'll spend more time on twitter.

blestwon
blestwon

Looking at this trade in terms of player for player value, this is a loss for NY in the short term. Melo today is a better individual played that Griffin today.That being said, does anyone have a realistic plan on how this team becomes a winner in the short term anyway? What is the realistic plan for building around Melo in the next two years? 

Get K. Love? Contrary to popular belief, he's not a free agent next year and what makes you think he forces a trade NY to play with Melo? Does Love have a deep desire to abandon the post and become the kind of outside shooter that Melo needs to be at his most effective? Pipe dream. Is Aldridge yearning to leave the young team he has in Portland to be a blue collar big man next to Melo? Pipe dream. Rondo leaving the team that can pay him the most and is poised to build around him to play sidekick to Melo? Not happening. I'm not the only one that is not confident that another star will come to NY in the next year or two to be the compliment to Melo's game that will make us a contender. Melo is wondering this himself. That's why he's not committing in the first place! 

And what is the plan if he walks? What player are we going to get that would be equal value to Melo as an individual player then?


If we get Griffin we need to get an elite or at least very good point guard in the next few years to see him flourish. Not ideal but at least that is a clear plan. You don't think Bledsoe thinks twice about leaving the Suns if he had the chance to reunite with Griffin in NY next year? If Love does want out of Minnesota, wouldn't Rubio think about going to NY to team up with Griffin? Griffin needs a point guard but he will attract one because he's the type of player that makes point guards look good, not iso types that stop ball movement. I'm willing to lose a trade today to build a solid young team for the next several years especially since noone has been able to convince me or Melo that there is a feasible plan to rebuild around Melo.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

Another thought. We're programmed to think of trades as either a win or a loss for one team but I think trading Melo for Blake is a win win for both teams. Fact is that with CP3 the clippers are in much more of a win now mode than we are. We've been sold the delusion that it's win now hit with no good pg and amares bad contract, we need to rebuild and first put together a winning team before we can take the next step to true contender. Blake gives us the chance to do that bc of his age. Melo gives the clippers a chance to win a title. It's a win win trade for both teams.

redhorse
redhorse

I read these blogs at times but had to make an account just to say how horrible this decker guy is!!

dagawd
dagawd

When MelO said i want players to come to NyK


He was saying trade me in other words


He didn't get players to play with him in denver so why think he can get players to come to NyK

barnaby87
barnaby87

I think the biggest issue is that if we were worried that he would walk, our trade partners are limited probably to L.A. teams because I don't think he'd sign elsewhere.  The lakers have literally nothing we want.  I think a trade of Melo and Felton for Blake, Collison, Jared Dudley, and Reggie Bullock may be interesting though.  Outside of Griffin, we'd get a swing player in Dudley, a still relatively young PG with upside in Collison, and Bullock is a young 2/3 with upside.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

You'd rather rebuild your team around a 30yr old than a 24yr old? And the main problem is you can't force the 30yr old Melo to stick around through a rebuild here. While the 24yr old Griffin is signed for 5 more yrs after which he'd still be younger than Melo is now and can be resigned. And the Knicks need to add a quality PG regardless so that doesn't matter really. Even if Griffin and the team isn't as good the rest of this season as they would be with Melo who cares? The team stinks and is going nowhere anyway. You're not making that trade to salvage the rest of this lost season. You're making that trade looking to the future and to avoid the disaster of losing Melo for nothing. Doing that with Jeremy Lin was 1 thing doing that with Melo would be an EPIC failure.

dagawd
dagawd

I don't see any smart team giving up much for MelO knowing he can Opt


Knicks might be stuck with him an another turrible contract

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Chris Herring @HerringWSJ

On bright side for NYK, maybe they've found something that works: Theyre allowing just 81.3 pts per 100 plays w Murry & Shumpert on court.


Knicks are outscoring opponents by 25.3 points per 100 plays in the 38 mins Murry and Shumpert have played together. They can really defend.


s.clancy
s.clancy

How are those Nuggets doing? Very poorly.

Oh, and they have 5 more wins than the Knicks do. Haters are apparently better at math than you are.

LastSaneMetsFan
LastSaneMetsFan

It's not that Griffin's better then Melo, but he is a 20-10 type of player who is much younger then Melo. At this point Melo is not leading the Knicks to a championship point blank. He's going to opt out of his deal and recieve a max contract from the Knicks or whoever he's traded to. Melo isn't good enough, he's a great scorer and that's it. Our current roster doesn't flow and isn't good enough to win. And with so much money locked up in him how many more pieces will we really be able to add? Griffin has a team friendly contract, I think till 2018, freeing us up to really change this roster into something that can really compete. And with this being such a horrendous year it's possible we come away with the number 1 pick. A core of chandler griffin wiggins shump and hard away jr sounds pretty good to me. Add in the fact that you could add on another 1 or 2 stud starters and we'd be in really good shape. I'd be thrilled for this trade.

redhorse
redhorse

I dont think anybody is saying that I dont see anybody in the comment section saying that....I think some ppl including myself think this might be the best scenerio

ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

@blestwon Griffen is easier to stop than Melo point guard or not,he can not create shots he has not shot.Melo with a point guard is much more effective.Griffen is quite dumb and will not get better.

madskills
madskills

Kevin Love has a player option so he can in fact opt out and become a free agent in the summer of 2015. That was negotiated into his deal because the Wolves didn't give him the 5yr max but instead opted to give 4yrs. He's definitely opting out. Whether he comes to NY is anyone's guess.

redhorse
redhorse

So true esp the part where these free agents in 15 would want to leave their teams..they are younger and gettimg better...knicks not so much

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@barnaby87 I doubt Clips would trade Collison especially with Paul out for like a month and a half. Deal I've heard is Griffin, Barnes and Willie Green for Melo, Beno and Toure.

Chris
Chris

@Brian Webster I have an idea build it around this 5 year old that can x over like a pro, you get more years for him. He has better handle then Griff, come to think of it so do I. Smoking that peyote again?

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Brian Webster Not hoping anything on the guy but continuous dunkers wind up with knee issues. And... WE NEED TO GET RID OF COACH DUNCE CAP AND TRADE FOR A COUPLE OF PLAYERS---WE DON'T NEED TO REBUILD! Some people on this blog are thick as dog shizz in a f-ing blizzard.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@OLD_KNICK Bleacher Report has hackish writers for the most part.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@dagawd Funny that you can set your fingers to type "stuck with him" when it comes to Carmelo Anthony. You sir really are a bball lightweight.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@SheSaidSpikeWho 

Woody won't play them together much, because he prefers to be able to chew them out separately for their transgressions. It also maximizes his use of the frowning face of failure.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLD_KNICK 

We seem to overrate the attraction of NYC and it's magnetism for players. You know, it's not like Field of Dreams, build it and they will come.Most players come here because both Dolan and Prokhorv have a boatload on money and pay well. Others, like JR, come for NYC and that includes the downside of the nightlife.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Chris You and a 5yr old might be comparable basketball players but neither 1 belongs in the same sentence as Blake Griffin. I don't love Griffin but I can't imagine the Knicks coming close to getting anything better for Melo in a trade. And if it's looking like he might not resign you can't lose him for nothing.

madskills
madskills

Whether the Melo for Blake trade comes to fruition or not, the Knicks will be in rebuild mode. The team as we know it will only be together for the rest of this season and next season tops. Almost the entire team will be off the books next summer meaning a rebuild is in order. Who the Knicks build around is the question. Personally if the Blake trade presents itself then I think the Knicks should do it. Is Blake as good as Melo? No. But Blake is only 24 years old. Melo is 30 and next season will be a waste as well meaning by the time the Knicks get another "star" to compliment Melo he will be 31.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Kojo Brown Who on this Knicks team are you trading for anybody of any worth right now? Outside of Melo it'd just be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And Harris Decker the due who works for TKB and wrote this article is the one who said he'd rather rebuild around a 30yr old Melo than a 24yr old Griffin. I was just replying to that thought process.

dagawd
dagawd

U sir are clueless

dagawd
dagawd

I know that for sure

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Knicks_Fanatic @OLD_KNICK EVERY NBA player (unless you're Lebron egomaniac James) goes where the money is. I guess Lebron too because he went to no tax Florida.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Sandro Guedes @OLD_KNICK You must be partial to shake and bake, dunk, park player, fancy dancy bball OR you're jealous of NY's star player. Which is it?

Matty B
Matty B

@Brian Webster @barnaby87 The only way I do Melo for Blake is if it's Melo and JR for Blake and Crawford.  Now that Paul is out for a bit, might be the time to do it.  


I love Melo.  Always have.  I'm a huge Syracuse fan.  Loved when they got him after we lost out on Lebron.  The fact of the matter is that we aren't gonna win as currently constructed.  I would deal him and chandler in separate deals. Get younger, smarter and more picks.  

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@barnaby87 Neither would I. I'd prefer Dudley over Barnes myself as well cause I like him better and he has 3yrs on his deal as opposed to Barnes 4yrs though Dudley does make like $1M more. That's just the trade rumor I heard I believe from Sheridan.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@OLD_KNICK @Kojo Brown Maybe some of this stuff is purely made up. Journalists are known to put out stories to try to extract info.

Chris
Chris

@dagawd I`ll join this, clueless, you want to get rid of the leagues leading scorer last year for a kid that has had 2 knee injuries and can`t shoot his way out of a paper bag. Oh yea, picture him and Amarie playing D together, Clue and less, which sort of summarizes your ability to judge players

fasheezee
fasheezee

@dagawd Clueless is as clueless does and you Mr. or Ms. are more than clueless when it come to Melo.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Kojo Brown That is your opinion which I disagree with. Melo is a beast, this would be the first year he doesn`t make playoffs, name the guy we get back with that resume 

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Sandro Guedes @Kojo Brown Well, I'm not giving up or giving in. I won't rest til Santonio Dome is gone--out of NY--banished from the Garden in shame. I do in fact want my NY Knicks to be successful.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Sandro Guedes @Knicks_Fanatic @SheSaidSpikeWho You right for once. Now you're so smart, come up with a cogent plan to get rid of Baldy.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLD_KNICK@Knicks_Fanatic 

My crazy friend would get a pretzel and ask for an empty cup. He would then fill the cup with mustard and consume more mustard than I thought humanly possible. I remember taking the family, wife and two boys, to Yankee Stadium for less than $100 total for tickets, parking, and food.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLD_KNICK@Knicks_Fanatic 

Ticket prices have exploded. I remember back in the early 1990's a buddy of mine talked me into getting a 6 pack of Nets tickets. For $99 I got a choice of a Coleman or Pearl jersey, an ABA red, white, and blue ball, and tickets to 6 games. This was the year Jordan unretired and we lucked out seeing him wearing number 45.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLD_KNICK@Knicks_Fanatic  

Great article on NBA pay back then, Players didn't make much in those days.

The economics of pro basketball exploded in the 1970s. The average player salary rose from $35,000 in 1970 to $180,000 a decade later and franchise values went up more than 600% in the same period. The major cause of the skyrocketing salaries was the competition between the NBA and the ABA for star players. The ABA opened a new front in this war with the signing of Spencer Haywood, the 19 year old star of the 1968 U.S. Olympic gold medalists. Haywood had only played one year of junior college ball and one year at the University of Detroit before he joined the ABA's Denver Rockets for the 1969-1970 season. At this time, NBA teams abided by the "four year rule," which stipulated that a player could not be drafted or signed to an NBA contract until his college class graduated; that is why Wilt Chamberlain played a year with the Harlem Globetrotters after he left Kansas before his senior season. The ABA subsequently signed numerous underclassmen, most notably Ralph Simpson (1970), Julius Erving (1971) and George McGinnis (1971), each of whom became All-Stars.

http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2010/09/nba-in-1970s-spencer-haywood-jumps.html