Can the Knicks win with James Dolan running MSG?

Harris Decker

There is no doubt that James Dolan is among the worst owners in sports, with his name next to men like David Glass (Kansas City Royals), Dan Snyder (Washington Redskins) and Donald Sterling (Los Angeles Clippers).

The question is, can the Knicks win with James Dolan “in charge”?

dolan425Since Dolan’s increase in power during the last year of the 20th century, the Knicks have been abysmal. During that time (since 1999), the Knicks have been to the playoffs six times and won a total of three series. They’ve gone through seven coaches and five general managers in 15 years. They’ve built up teams and then cast aside players time and time again. But is it fair to place 100 percent of the blame on Dolan?

Just before training camp opened this year, Dolan replaced general manager Glen Grunwald with Steve Mills. It was a puzzling move, to say the least. It raised a few eyebrows and created more questions than answers. Now, with the Knicks flailing in the wind, it seems only fair to say that Dolan has no idea what he’s doing and that the Knicks will not win with him making the calls.

Mills seems like more of a puppet than a general manager. Since his hiring, he has been quieter than a mouse. He doesn’t answer questions. He doesn’t explain moves. He doesn’t explain the lack of moves, either. He hasn’t once voiced his support of Woodson and most importantly, has made no comment on Carmelo Anthony and his future.

All of that said, Dolan isn’t exactly talking up a storm. He’s the second-toughest man to extract a quote from and after calling the Knicks a “championship team” before the season started, he’s remained out of site.

If Dolan really is the man behind the curtain, can the Knicks find a way to turn their franchise around? Can they put together a plan that gets them into serious playoff basketball year after year?

For me, answering these questions requires a trip to the top of the pyramid. In this case, that pyramid is ruled with an iron fist by a man that has run one of basketballs greatest franchises straight into the ground. James Dolan is the problem with the New York Knicks.




153 comments
L.j. Okonta
L.j. Okonta

The only way the Knicks can win is if Knicks & Rangers fan pull off a "Glorious Revolution of 1688" stunt and overthrow James Dolan (ironically the king's name who was overthrown name is James)

Rich Winston
Rich Winston

James Dolan is the spoiled, arrogant, non-achieving son of a tremendously wealthy man. The Idiot Son was given the Knicks as a play toy. He has never earned a dollar in his own name yet has more money than he could ever spend in three lifetimes. So yeah, great, he spends money freely on his play thing. But it is very rarely spent wisely so, as a fan, why should throwing money at all the wrong people be impressive? Dolan is a complete moron and loser. If the Knicks managed to put together the best front office in basketball it would not matter. Dolan would still insist on having final say-so on big basketball decisions, he'd continue to solicit and value the asinine advice of Isiah Thomas and, ultimately, he'd infuriate and run every good front office man out the door. I've been a huge Knicks fan for 40 years but I've pretty much had it. The day this arrogant chump steps down or, better yet, the day Dad takes Jimmy's toy away and sells it to a rational adult is the day I'll go back to rooting furiously for the Knicks!

Rich Winston
Rich Winston

Can the Knicks turn things around with James Dolan making basketball related decisions? In a word, no ...

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

Tune in to find out! The answer may surprise you. It's no.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Lets not blame any GM for Dolan's incompetence. The Knicks didnt land LBJ bcuz they never had a plan on building a contender that yr. Miami cleared space so they won

Jesse Brand
Jesse Brand

Seth nadler your like a 5 year old girl never let anything go honestly does your wife hate your bickering or your daughters more

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

PHX offered STAT 68mill for 4yrs. All he wanted was a 5th yr on his contract. We give him 100mill for a half season of good play....smmfh

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

How do you let JVG walk after what he did here with an injured Knick squad?


Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Its all Dolan's fault! We have had reputable players come here along with coaches and we had horrible seasons. We had Steph in his prime. We had 20&10 Zach Randolph. We had JCross. We had qualified vets. When they left us, they did better. What does this tell you??

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

Another heads up the Knicks are looking at point guard in the d league as well as over seas. Seth Curry is suppose to come in for a work out and Rodriquez Beaubois. Hudson might get a look when returns from oversea

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

When you guys get a chance check out the article below. This goes along what i posted last week about the trades Mills was working on and the Clippers owner messed up the deal. 


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/


Granted, Wade and Crawford light up a lot of teams, but the fact is that, outside of starting 2-guard Thabo Sefolosha, Oklahoma City provides very little resistance in the backcourt. That's why the Thunder were hoping to land Iman Shumpert before last Thursday's trade deadline. 

Even after Shumpert suffered a strained left MCL in a Knicks loss last Wednesday, Oklahoma City was willing to part with this year's first-round draft pick to land the Knicks' shooting guard, according to sources with knowledge of the trade discussions. The Knicks, however, refused to do the deal because they weren't getting a current player in return who could help them make a push for this year's Eastern Conference playoffs. At the end of the day, they deemed Shumpert more valuable than the 28th pick (or whatever low pick OKC gets) of the draft, sources said. 

The Knicks' priority all along in trading Shumpert was to attach Raymond Felton's contract to the deal and get a solid point guard in return. That nearly happened with the Clippers. 

While Shumpert's injury did not deter the Thunder, it did kill the Knicks' hopes of sending him to Los Angeles. Clippers coach Doc Rivers really wanted Shumpert, sources say, and Rivers was willing to do a deal that would have sent Darren CollisonMatt BarnesByron Mullens and two second-round picks to New York for Shumpert, Felton and Beno Udrih. But Clippers owner Donald Sterling and others within the organization were hesitant to bet on Shumpert after seeing him go down in Wednesday's game at New Orleans, according to sources. 

Shumpert's camp was hoping for a trade, but it can rest assured that he'll be back on the market around draft time.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Great breakdown on Woody from Bleacher report:

For starters, he could have minimized the Knicks' problems by separating their two worst defenders: Tim Hardaway Jr. and Amar'e Stoudemire. Instead, he played the two together for much of the game, even as they struggled to contain the Orlando's pick-and-roll game. Stoudemire finished with minus-19 rating in just a shade under 18 minutes on Friday.

New York will never be a good defensive team, but they could certainly improve if their coach would only play smarter lineups. But Woodson would rather run out the same groups, night after night, loss after loss, and lay the blame on everyone else but him.

bklyndude
bklyndude

We had the right GM in Donnie Walsh.

But if Dolan doesn't understand you need to acquire at least two franchise type players to win a championship and handle the salary cap accordingly as well as the proper complimentary players,  we will never be able to succeed.  And he needs to support the GM and not interfere and change the GM every time they don't do what he wants or kiss Dolan's a**.

Grunwald and now Mills....it's only a matter of time before Isiah Thomas is back in the mix,  he knows how to smooch.

Kenneth Guide
Kenneth Guide

During the last two weeks I've considered for the first time in 30 years of being a Knicks fan, to start routing for another team.  I've lived in DC the last 12 years and have resisted becoming a DC sports fan staying loyal to the Mets and Knicks.  Buying league pass in order to follow my team, no longer.  Both the Knicks and Mets can go screw themselves, I'm done.      

mike
mike

@Biggie WHEN THE KNICKS HIRED THIS GUY, DID THEY NOT CHECK WOODSONS BACKGROUND?  ..www.firemikewoodson.blogspot.com

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk  

Yes, explain how it's Donnie Walsh's fault that we have a superstar, a $90 million payroll, and can't beat bad teams, like the Sixers, Bucks, and Magic, that want to lose to get a high draft pick.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Yep, that's like promising a Top Porsche and delivery a Ford conFusion!

Whatever GM wins a ring here, is set for life at MSG!

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@zdiddy4nyk You cant do what Dolan doesnt want. Dolan wanted to do things like get rid of McGrady and Al Harrington. If LBJ is talking about winning now, you dont get rid of reputable vets. Then we trade David Lee for 2 knee injuries and a stuck on stupid.....LBJ was like "I'll pass"

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kvdaone  JVG quit. It's not like the FO could've done something about it.

He really didn't have the best of relationships with the FO so I definitely understand why he did it.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Good pts. I'd sure work for Dolan. I have many of the attributes that he seem to covet. lol

In all seriousness, once I got my signed contract, I would have no issue about standing up to Dolan in private to get what I thought the team needed.  It's just that you shouldn't show up your boss publicly.  

Privately, I would be bringing a guitar to my meeting with Dolan and be demonstrating how we are expected to play without the right cords or players. After 5 minutes of horrible play, he would either give me what I wanted or have Herb try to smash the Guitar over my head. 

Either way I win - Lawsuit or players!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@M&M; Consultants The Clips will get him much cheaper as a restricted free agent. We ain't matching much. He's hurt now anyway.

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

@Seth Nadler  Hardway is better defender than we think at Michigan he played better. Its Woodson switching defense and his style of defense does not fit the team. 

#Knickstape
#Knickstape

@thatsagoodpoint  They took the LINKS section down from this site, anyone know of other good Knicks sites to visit? 

Harris Decker
Harris Decker

@zdiddy4nyk  But that will never happen. With Dolan here, he's running the show. That's just how it is.

ScottE
ScottE

@zdiddy4nyk  Then we can't win with Dolan cause he ain't lettin' nobody else run the show.

redhorse
redhorse

Walsh is a stupid gm?? You know when we had him as our gm we were at least respectable when it came to trades...other teams werent dealing with an idiot and it was the idiot" that got us even a chsnce to sign lebron that yr... and yes giving amare that contract was bad the 5th yr but guys forget that team before we traded for melo we were building something there..and u forget amare was killing earlier....and ur kidding urselves if u didnt think that lebron wade and bosh already didnt know there plans going into that summer... bulls signed boozer to that awful contract...has it really set back their franchise???? Some knick fans are sooooo delusional and rip good bball guys..

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Kvdaone 

Walsh has been a GM 21 years and 16 times his teams made the playoffs. He turned the Pacers into a powerhouse. He turned the Knicks into a winning team for the first time in ten years and made the playoffs.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@zdiddy4nyk Heres something we have to remember. No matter who's GM, Dolan is the head of Bball operations. He made the Melo trade happen. He agreed to give Stat 100mill to lure other players. All Dolan! Every GM is just a fall guy in case things dont go the way he plans......How many GMs have we ran through?

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@VerySilentJay @Kvdaone Thats my point! How do you not make him comfortable? We know he quit but from a business stand point they shouldve given him what he wanted. He quit when they turned him down on a few things

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

@xmenreturn @M&M; Consultants . Shumpert contract is good until 2015 but he will be traded by then. OKC and the knicks will revisit the same deal this time with players to be included during the trade deadline. There are a lot of teams that want Shumpert and feel Woodson is holding him back. I for one like Shumpert and he has a bright future. We checked him before he got drafted. 

redhorse
redhorse

U keep bringing that one up what else did he do that made him a bad gm?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Biggie 

You are surely blaming everyone else but Dolan for our woes. Donnie Walsh turned the team around and you claim he was awful. Now we are being run Dolan style, way over the cap, no draft picks, and losing badly. That's not how Donnie Walsh built the Pacers, nor how he rebuilt the Knicks.

That's Dolan Style.

redhorse
redhorse

Again a rebuilding team that had pieces I kno we werent gna win a chip that time I know!!! But are winning one now????.we practically gave up our starting 5 for melo and future assets like draft picks one that I think turned out to be farried and who knows how this one will turn out.. look not saying I didnt want melo .. I kno that cba thing was a big part of that but I wish we could of waited... we could of had melo those pieces we traded melo for and could of traded those assets to get someone to play with melo...now we are in a worst scenerio where u were supporting...we might lose melo have no picks and pretty much a laughibg stock of the nba...

redhorse
redhorse

It was a rebuilding team and for the 1st time in years we were relevant... who knows what would of happened if we kept that team intact...u think we r in a better position now? We have no draft picks this yr and we r again in the position of being desperate and again putting all our hopes in another free agent run in 2 freaking yrs...nd thats with the greatest player melo in our team....

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Kvdaone  

He blames Supranowitz for the ouster of former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who is now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

"I've known Tom Thibodeau for 15, 16 years," Isola said. "He has never once given me a story. We were just very friendly. Whenever I used to get a story, he used to accuse Tom Thibodeau. Here's a guy who might be coach of the year, but they wanted to run him out of the organization not because he didn't do his job well—he was great at his job. They thought he was leaking stuff to me. This is how dangerous some of the people are in this organization. Tom is the most loyal employee you'll find, and these knuckleheads ran him out because they thought he was telling me stuff. I mean, give me a break."

http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk@Kvdaone Again...It was Dolan's idea to over pay Amare...not Walsh. Dolan went over Walsh to make the Melo trade happen. All GMs are just fall guys in this city. Think about how many GMs have worked here in 15yrs

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Kvdaone 

So a GM is bad when he takes a 23-59 team and gets them over .500 for the first time ever under Dolan. For that, he is fired. After 3 years the team is back to losing basketball, Dolan style. So bad is winning and losing is good. I'm confused.

Mike Davidoff
Mike Davidoff

@Elvis Maduro @Mikey Davidoff @zdiddy4nyk  I agreee with your opinion Elvis.

ScottE
ScottE

@zdiddy4nyk @Mikey Davidoff  He has two of the worst contracts in the NBA (STAT/Bargnani)  so…NO he isn't!  He's had one of the highest payrolls and the lowest winning percentages in the past decade.  I know what you're trying to say, but the fact that he spends so much money on such a crappy team does not make me feel any better.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Mikey Davidoff @VerySilentJay  Yet Bird's the mastermind behind the Pacers.

You can have all the guidance in the world, but ultiamtely one person makes the decisions.


Just look at all the people Woodson's been around throughout his career and look at the coaching job he's done this season...

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @zdiddy4nyk  I've no doubt that Walsh showed and taught Bird many things.

But ultimately, it was Bird the one making the final decisions and he was the one who thought out the composition of the team and chose the right coach to lead them to where they are today.

Mike Davidoff
Mike Davidoff

@zdiddy4nyk @Mikey Davidoff  You just said Dolan is one of the best owners in all of sports....that is the furthest thing from the truth. The money part i'll agree with,

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Mikey Davidoff  The Pacers are Bird's masterpiece. Make no mistake.

Walsh has been an advisor, or whatever. Bird's the genius there.

- He drafted Hibbert, George

- Took a chance with Stephenson that panned out. 

- Signed West 

- Traded for Hill (though I doubt he would've done it had he known what Leonard's evolution was gonna be like).

- Took a chance on Vogel, and look how that turned out.


He took a one year sabbatical and nothing of strong substance was done because it's difficult to top the work he's already done.

Indiana's all about Bird.

Mike Davidoff
Mike Davidoff

@zdiddy4nyk @Elvis Maduro @ScottE  Dolan is the biggest problem with the team......Amare's contract is a close 2nd.  TRUTH!!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Bird says Walsh was his mentor. Which means Walsh showed him his Rolodex which had the other GM and their wives and kids names. 

Can ya see Walsh telling Bird, "Well you need to big men like the Davis boys who can't shoot a lick or hit a free throw..............With Bird cutting him off saying' I GOT IT DONNIE, Go get some Oatmeal" and then shutting and locking the door?

Mike Davidoff
Mike Davidoff

@zdiddy4nyk @Mikey Davidoff  yea, Walsh had nothing to do with it. Terrible comment bruh.

ScottE
ScottE

@zdiddy4nyk  Problem is, all the best candidates for GM know who Dolan is.  They know they're going to get no autonomy and all the scrutiny.  Sounds like a great opportunity:  Do your job, the boss steps in, makes a mistake, you get blamed and fired.  OR  you stand up for your decision, tell boss no, and are forced to resign.  If I'm a top tier NBA exec, I'm running away from that job.

Mike Davidoff
Mike Davidoff

@zdiddy4nyk How u can defend that piece of human garbage is beyond me. And i wish we had Walsh still.  Have you seen how the Pacers have done since he's been back there. C'mon broseph. (i do like the optimism though)