Can the Knicks win with James Dolan running MSG?

Harris Decker

There is no doubt that James Dolan is among the worst owners in sports, with his name next to men like David Glass (Kansas City Royals), Dan Snyder (Washington Redskins) and Donald Sterling (Los Angeles Clippers).

The question is, can the Knicks win with James Dolan “in charge”?

dolan425Since Dolan’s increase in power during the last year of the 20th century, the Knicks have been abysmal. During that time (since 1999), the Knicks have been to the playoffs six times and won a total of three series. They’ve gone through seven coaches and five general managers in 15 years. They’ve built up teams and then cast aside players time and time again. But is it fair to place 100 percent of the blame on Dolan?

Just before training camp opened this year, Dolan replaced general manager Glen Grunwald with Steve Mills. It was a puzzling move, to say the least. It raised a few eyebrows and created more questions than answers. Now, with the Knicks flailing in the wind, it seems only fair to say that Dolan has no idea what he’s doing and that the Knicks will not win with him making the calls.

Mills seems like more of a puppet than a general manager. Since his hiring, he has been quieter than a mouse. He doesn’t answer questions. He doesn’t explain moves. He doesn’t explain the lack of moves, either. He hasn’t once voiced his support of Woodson and most importantly, has made no comment on Carmelo Anthony and his future.

All of that said, Dolan isn’t exactly talking up a storm. He’s the second-toughest man to extract a quote from and after calling the Knicks a “championship team” before the season started, he’s remained out of site.

If Dolan really is the man behind the curtain, can the Knicks find a way to turn their franchise around? Can they put together a plan that gets them into serious playoff basketball year after year?

For me, answering these questions requires a trip to the top of the pyramid. In this case, that pyramid is ruled with an iron fist by a man that has run one of basketballs greatest franchises straight into the ground. James Dolan is the problem with the New York Knicks.

216 comments
L.j. Okonta
L.j. Okonta

The only way the Knicks can win is if Knicks & Rangers fan pull off a "Glorious Revolution of 1688" stunt and overthrow James Dolan (ironically the king's name who was overthrown name is James)

Rich Winston
Rich Winston

James Dolan is the spoiled, arrogant, non-achieving son of a tremendously wealthy man. The Idiot Son was given the Knicks as a play toy. He has never earned a dollar in his own name yet has more money than he could ever spend in three lifetimes. So yeah, great, he spends money freely on his play thing. But it is very rarely spent wisely so, as a fan, why should throwing money at all the wrong people be impressive? Dolan is a complete moron and loser. If the Knicks managed to put together the best front office in basketball it would not matter. Dolan would still insist on having final say-so on big basketball decisions, he'd continue to solicit and value the asinine advice of Isiah Thomas and, ultimately, he'd infuriate and run every good front office man out the door. I've been a huge Knicks fan for 40 years but I've pretty much had it. The day this arrogant chump steps down or, better yet, the day Dad takes Jimmy's toy away and sells it to a rational adult is the day I'll go back to rooting furiously for the Knicks!

Rich Winston
Rich Winston

Can the Knicks turn things around with James Dolan making basketball related decisions? In a word, no ...

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

Tune in to find out! The answer may surprise you. It's no.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Lets not blame any GM for Dolan's incompetence. The Knicks didnt land LBJ bcuz they never had a plan on building a contender that yr. Miami cleared space so they won

Jesse Brand
Jesse Brand

Seth nadler your like a 5 year old girl never let anything go honestly does your wife hate your bickering or your daughters more

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

Dolan trust Walsh judgement and agreed to give Amare that contract.

Dolan out-rightly is responsible for the Melo trade!!

Just imagine, if we didn't traded for Melo...he would be on the Nets right now.  Melo was not going to wait for the perceived bad CBA to sign a new contract.

We would have more than likely ended up with D-Will and Amare.  Walsh would have looked like the worse GM in the NBA with those 2 max contract!!

You know the Knicks would have match the Nets moved and go hard after D-Will...with the Nets coming to NY!!

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

PHX offered STAT 68mill for 4yrs. All he wanted was a 5th yr on his contract. We give him 100mill for a half season of good play....smmfh

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

A smart GM would know how to work around Dolan.  I guarantee, if Walsh had delivered Lebron to the Knicks...Dolan would have made him the GM for life!!

Walsh told the owner, he will get Lebron.  Instead, he set back the franchise and got us Amare.  I would have fired!!

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

How do you let JVG walk after what he did here with an injured Knick squad?


Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Its all Dolan's fault! We have had reputable players come here along with coaches and we had horrible seasons. We had Steph in his prime. We had 20&10 Zach Randolph. We had JCross. We had qualified vets. When they left us, they did better. What does this tell you??

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

I will give Dolan credit in one area only...he will open his wallet...problem is we have not had a real good mix of players since the late 90's with Spree/Houston/Camby, and then of course the mid 90's Knicks...


To me, there are two players they need to build around. Melo, obviously, before he starts breaking down, and Tim Hardaway Jr...


As for the rest of the roster....take em all....

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

It doesn't make me happy that Dolan waste money on players like Amare.  But, a owner that is willing to spend is a great asset for a team who wants to win championships.

For years, the Clips owner would not spend.  Hence, they were bad for years.  Dolan is the opposite, he is willing to spend, but doesn't hire the right people who is smart enough to sign the right players.

It takes a combination of a owner that is willing to spend plus hiring the right people to win championships!!

Dolan is great at one of the 2 main reason to win.  He just needs to hire the right people and let them run the show.

Teams don't win with owners that is not willing to spend!!!!

This is not to defend Dolan...it is the truth about who Dolan is!!!!

mike
mike

@Biggie WHEN THE KNICKS HIRED THIS GUY, DID THEY NOT CHECK WOODSONS BACKGROUND?  ..www.firemikewoodson.blogspot.com

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Biggie  

A lot of people on here, don't value that one great asset Dolan has...his willingness to spend!!

Some here thinks all owners spend.  

However, we do need to get the right front office people here to win it all.

I would prefer having Dolan over an owner that will not invest in his team any day of the week!!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk  

Yes, explain how it's Donnie Walsh's fault that we have a superstar, a $90 million payroll, and can't beat bad teams, like the Sixers, Bucks, and Magic, that want to lose to get a high draft pick.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Kvdaone  

Hence...my main reason why Walsh was a bad Knicks GM!!  

An experience GM like Walsh should not make a signing like that.  

Leave that kind of a mistake to an inexperience GM!!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Yep, that's like promising a Top Porsche and delivery a Ford conFusion!

Whatever GM wins a ring here, is set for life at MSG!

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@zdiddy4nyk You cant do what Dolan doesnt want. Dolan wanted to do things like get rid of McGrady and Al Harrington. If LBJ is talking about winning now, you dont get rid of reputable vets. Then we trade David Lee for 2 knee injuries and a stuck on stupid.....LBJ was like "I'll pass"

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kvdaone  JVG quit. It's not like the FO could've done something about it.

He really didn't have the best of relationships with the FO so I definitely understand why he did it.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Good pts. I'd sure work for Dolan. I have many of the attributes that he seem to covet. lol

In all seriousness, once I got my signed contract, I would have no issue about standing up to Dolan in private to get what I thought the team needed.  It's just that you shouldn't show up your boss publicly.  

Privately, I would be bringing a guitar to my meeting with Dolan and be demonstrating how we are expected to play without the right cords or players. After 5 minutes of horrible play, he would either give me what I wanted or have Herb try to smash the Guitar over my head. 

Either way I win - Lawsuit or players!

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk  

He sign Amare!!  Our biggest problem on the team.  No team can win with their highest paid player making $100 mill, while sitting on the bench more than half the time!!

NO team wins like that...PERIOD!!

redhorse
redhorse

Walsh is a stupid gm?? You know when we had him as our gm we were at least respectable when it came to trades...other teams werent dealing with an idiot and it was the idiot" that got us even a chsnce to sign lebron that yr... and yes giving amare that contract was bad the 5th yr but guys forget that team before we traded for melo we were building something there..and u forget amare was killing earlier....and ur kidding urselves if u didnt think that lebron wade and bosh already didnt know there plans going into that summer... bulls signed boozer to that awful contract...has it really set back their franchise???? Some knick fans are sooooo delusional and rip good bball guys..

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Kvdaone 

Walsh has been a GM 21 years and 16 times his teams made the playoffs. He turned the Pacers into a powerhouse. He turned the Knicks into a winning team for the first time in ten years and made the playoffs.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@zdiddy4nyk Heres something we have to remember. No matter who's GM, Dolan is the head of Bball operations. He made the Melo trade happen. He agreed to give Stat 100mill to lure other players. All Dolan! Every GM is just a fall guy in case things dont go the way he plans......How many GMs have we ran through?

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@VerySilentJay @Kvdaone Thats my point! How do you not make him comfortable? We know he quit but from a business stand point they shouldve given him what he wanted. He quit when they turned him down on a few things

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Biggie 

You are surely blaming everyone else but Dolan for our woes. Donnie Walsh turned the team around and you claim he was awful. Now we are being run Dolan style, way over the cap, no draft picks, and losing badly. That's not how Donnie Walsh built the Pacers, nor how he rebuilt the Knicks.

That's Dolan Style.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Knicks_Fanatic @Biggie @zdiddy4nyk  

Dude, I am not defending Dolan.  He is an awful owner at hiring the right people and letting them do their job.

However, I give him tons of credit for his willingness to spend his money.  

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Biggie @zdiddy4nyk  

Exactly...I would lose my mind, if Dolan was willing to let a talent like Harden go, because of luxury tax penalty.

How bad was the Clips owner, because he was so cheap!!

Wait...someone will mention Lin, because i said that about Harden.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

Without a ares contract we could've fielded a better team....so, yes he is the problem.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk  

Knicks are 9-5 this season, when Amare doesn't play!!

We are 12-30 when Amare plays.


We finish last season 16-2...Amare didn't play!!

We started last season 21-9...Amare didn't play!!

We are worse team when Amare plays...PROOF!!

redhorse
redhorse

Again a rebuilding team that had pieces I kno we werent gna win a chip that time I know!!! But are winning one now????.we practically gave up our starting 5 for melo and future assets like draft picks one that I think turned out to be farried and who knows how this one will turn out.. look not saying I didnt want melo .. I kno that cba thing was a big part of that but I wish we could of waited... we could of had melo those pieces we traded melo for and could of traded those assets to get someone to play with melo...now we are in a worst scenerio where u were supporting...we might lose melo have no picks and pretty much a laughibg stock of the nba...

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@redhorse  

What would have happen is...

Amare, Gallo, Chandler, Felton would have been injured or fat!!

That team was not going anywhere!!  Gallo, Chandler and Mozgov makes about the same amount of money as Melo.

redhorse
redhorse

It was a rebuilding team and for the 1st time in years we were relevant... who knows what would of happened if we kept that team intact...u think we r in a better position now? We have no draft picks this yr and we r again in the position of being desperate and again putting all our hopes in another free agent run in 2 freaking yrs...nd thats with the greatest player melo in our team....

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@redhorse  The team before Melo got here was a top 3 bad defensive team in all of the NBA.

That team would not have done anything...because Amare would have been injured!!  Melo has carried this team in the playoffs the last 2 season, pretty much without Amare's help!!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Kvdaone  

He blames Supranowitz for the ouster of former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who is now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

"I've known Tom Thibodeau for 15, 16 years," Isola said. "He has never once given me a story. We were just very friendly. Whenever I used to get a story, he used to accuse Tom Thibodeau. Here's a guy who might be coach of the year, but they wanted to run him out of the organization not because he didn't do his job well—he was great at his job. They thought he was leaking stuff to me. This is how dangerous some of the people are in this organization. Tom is the most loyal employee you'll find, and these knuckleheads ran him out because they thought he was telling me stuff. I mean, give me a break."

http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk@Kvdaone Again...It was Dolan's idea to over pay Amare...not Walsh. Dolan went over Walsh to make the Melo trade happen. All GMs are just fall guys in this city. Think about how many GMs have worked here in 15yrs

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic@Kvdaone 

So a GM is bad when he takes a 23-59 team and gets them over .500 for the first time ever under Dolan. For that, he is fired. After 3 years the team is back to losing basketball, Dolan style. So bad is winning and losing is good. I'm confused.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk @Kvdaone  

After all Walsh did, he left us with the worse contract in the NBA (Amare).  

Walsh set us back by 5 years...the day he signed Amare!!

That is why he was a bad GM for the Knicks.  Any GM that set a team back...is a bad GM!!!