Carmelo could be stalling in case he can team up with LeBron

After expecting an answer from free agent Carmelo Anthony on Monday, the Knicks organization is starting to believe Anthony is hesitating to see whether or not he’ll be able to team up with LeBron James in Miami or Los Angeles.


James and Heat president Pat Riley are expected to meet as early as Tuesday (NY Post, July 8).

If Dallas or Houston offers Chris Bosh the right amount of money, the Heat could have an opportunity to create a Big 3 of James, Anthony and Dwayne Wade with its remaining cap space. That possibility became trickier after Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger agreed to terms with Miami Monday.

Wade would need to take a pay cut for the scenario to work.

At this point, Anthony is dealing primarily with the Knicks, the Lakers and the Bulls. The Bulls would need a sign-and-trade in order to bring Anthony on because they lack the cap space to make him an offer that can compete with New York or Los Angeles.

Since Anthony has reportedly shown interested in joining the Lakers, he has worked in the ability to ask Phil Jackson to do a sign-and-trade with the Bulls that would put Anthony close to a maximum contract. If he goes to LA he would not receive compensation from the Knicks since the Lakers have cap space.




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Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Let Melo leave.Waste of money on a player like that.One way player.Phil is smarter then this.

samb
samb

New post is up

knickfan2
knickfan2

I'm sorry, but , LeBron in Cleveland does not make me nervous in the least bit. Kyrie has not yet reached his prime and he can not do what D. Wade was capable of doing defensively 4 years ago. They'll be fun to watch, but, with the exception of adding another major piece via trade, Cleveland will be about 2 years removed from winning championship.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

The Knicks have told Anthony they are willing to give him the five-year, $129 million max, but he could decide to take less, as Jackson still is encouraging him to do. “The Knicks truly believe he’s coming back but they know the Bulls really laid it out for him — their plan with the roster,’’ one NBA source said. New York Post -

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

There is another scenario that I don't think anyone has thought about; Heat low-balling Bosh thus forcing him out.

Bosh was offered a $88/4 deal w/ Houston. Riley "could" offer $70/5 which Bosh probably will not take.  Riley saves face and then the Melo to Miami is all but wrapped up short of a Christmas card. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

If Melo wants to use signing with the Lakers as leverage to get a S&T to Chi I'd hope the Knicks would just tell him to go sign with the Lakers then. Chi doesn't have much of interest to me that they'd be willing to give up in a trade for Melo anyway so I'd let him go out West for nothing rather than keeping him in the East for a year of Carlos Boozer, perhaps a draft pick that most likely won't be very good and whatever other filler is thrown in trade from Chi.

meloedout
meloedout

We aren't that delusional. Melo is waiting and I believe the meeting with Riley is letting bosh go and sign Melo.

Spurs will still beat them.

rb3b3
rb3b3

I love how most here say " i dont want Lebron here, i want to beat him" hahahaha

Listen up, NO ONE hates LBJ more then i do!!! I think he is possibly the biggest coward superstar in the history of the nba. I hate him for having to team up with 2 other superstars and an all star cast taking pennies so that he was able to win his nba championships. That is a COWARD. Especially being that he is the BEST player on the planet. It make me SICK!!!

With all that being said, if lbj ever came to the knicks, ill be the first to order his knicks jersey. Hahahahahahhah.

rgm891
rgm891

What will today bring? 

Manny Odor
Manny Odor

Melo aint re-singing with the Knicks .... he would of obviously signed already ... so to help most of you delusional Knicks fans * Just move on already*

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

MELO BALL IS BACK!:


There was a time when it didn’t look as if Carmelo Anthony would be so sought after at age 30. When he was traded from the Denver Nuggets to the New York Knicks in February 2011, he was the bane of the advanced-stats community, his reputation sliced sharpest by cutting-edge analysis.

With his less-than-super-efficient high scoring average, Anthony might well have symbolized how casual fans get snookered into worshipping false idols. His volume shooting was the past, and players of more balanced yet subtle skill sets were the future. That iso ball that the "eye test" loves was so early Iverson era. It had no place in the NBA’s version of a Moneyball revolution.



After a shaky, injury-addled first full season in New York, Anthony notched his two best seasons according to player efficiency (PER) and win shares. Not only did the numbers look better, but his game got more aesthetically pleasing. Decisions were quicker, the ball stuck less often. He turns the ball over far less than he did back in Denver. There are still bouts of grinding iso-ball, but it’s not like the old days, when Anthony would average more turnovers than assists.

You can blame him for the lack of options (the Knicks were strip-mined because Anthony forced a trade to New York), but it’s getting harder to find fault with his offensive approach. His game has matured from headstrong to nuanced. Guard him with a mobile wing and he can post that guy into some pain. Guard him with a burly big and he can lose that guy for many an open 3-pointer.



“Olympic Melo” is the nickname for that sweet-shooting forward we’ve seen in international competition. He thrives in an environment where the ball is shared around the arc and shot from behind it. That’s where basketball is heading, if this latest, emphatic San Antonio Spurs championship is any indication. The NBA is trending toward a drive-and-kick international style that just so perfectly fits the guy who, earlier in his career, was the caricature of American-style hero ball. Melo was the past before he took a few steps back and became the future.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69451/melo-ball-goes-back-to-the-future


denelor
denelor

@knickfan2 I disagree.  They may not be immediate contenders, but after one year they would be.  And, if they mesh quickly, they're contenders the first year.  


One of the problems the Heat had was that they basically fell back to Lebron doing everything.  He had to carry the load in every facet of the game all year long.  


Cleveland gives him a young team that won't breakdown on him (Wade) and gives him a legit second option to take the load off Lebron for long stretches of games (something he hasn't consistently had the last two years in Miami).  They'd be young, talented and able to let Lebron rest for the playoffs.  Lebron is acknowledged across the league as a student of the game.  He'd probably mentor those young guys to be better players than they would be without his presence.  They have assets in terms of a dump truck load of picks to acquire another big piece without breaking up their core.  


A Cleveland team with Lebron guiding them is dangerous as hell.  They'll instantly be able to score in a variety of ways, add another piece of Lebron's choosing and, the key part, they'll not even be near their peak yet.  They're young and improving and Lebron will only facilitate that.  


It's such a better situation for him than Miami I can't believe he hasn't already flown away.  

rico
rico

We don't want to think about that.

tkb2pac
tkb2pac

@Brian Webster unless taj, mirotic or butler were in the mix...no thanks.  boozer is a laa - ooozer !  Jim Carey voice.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@rb3b3 Yup...I said it and stand by it. I don't want that fraud here. How can you buy a jersey of a player you "hate"? Guess that makes you a fraud too! 

*Shots fired*

rgm891
rgm891

@rb3b3 Michael Jordan on Larry Bird. "I don't want to team up with them. I want to beat them." Melo take notes.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@franktkb Based on this article and the signings of McRoberts and Granger yesterday, the money for Melo is even less today.

meloedout
meloedout

Lol I knew it. Melo will bail out

saintknick
saintknick

@Manny Odor Something stinks of Manny up in here. Its that Manny Odor. The smell of Cow Shee-it.

knickfan2
knickfan2

@Sandro who do you suppose Cleveland would give up for Love? I don't think LeBron would allow them to give up Wiggins. And I don't see Minny being satisfied with (oft-injured) Varejo, (hot head) Waiters, (Draft bust) Triston Thompson, or even a low first round pick . The acquisition of LeBron would all but eliminate Cleveland from getting lottery picks for a while.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@tkb2pac Well Taj was a part of the Bulls presentation to Melo along with Noah (and an ambushed D Rose LOL) so you know he wouldn't be in the deal

rico
rico

Spurs beat themselves the year before, Heat got the trophy

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

@rgm891 @rb3b3  totally agree - it shows they couldn't beat them they had to join them.  sad really.  wade won with out james,

saintknick
saintknick

@rgm891 @rb3b3 except in this equation, LBJ is Michael and Melo is Earl Monroe. Monroe needed to team up. 


I hate this analogy because, A) No one is MJ and B) If it was Scottie Pippin on the celtics, MJ would have said the same thing about him. Easy to not want to team up with the other A+ players when you are the best in the world AND have a guy who is an all-star next to you already.

denelor
denelor

@lobcity @franktkb Unless he blows a knee this year or next year.  Or suddenly loses his shot due to recurring shoulder issues.  Or takes a freak elbow that messes up his eyesight.  Then the possibility of that next Max contract is gone.  


Don't discount players' desire to secure their long term future as much as possible.  What you mentioned would work.  But it's also hugely risky. 

saintknick
saintknick

@knickfan2 They have 4 firsts in the next 2 years, and I'm pretty sure Lebron would rather play with K. Love and Waiters for the next 4 years than Wiggins and Raggedy Andy / Side-show slob.

denelor
denelor

@knickfan2 Cleveland has potentially 4 first round picks in the next two drafts.  They could realistically send Minny three or four picks over the next few years and still have first round picks of their own to add to the team with Lebron.  

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@saintknick @rgm891 @rb3b3  Looks like LBJ needed to team up..or are we forgetting he left his team to team up with the 2nd best SG in the league??  along with a top 5 pf in the game??

rb3b3
rb3b3

I dont pretend to be mr all nba fan or anything like that, im a guy who just grew up loving the knicks. They are my fav sports team by far, unfortunately for me i am also an islander fan.

I hate when people say pippen alongside michael. MJ never left his team to join another superstar. Correct me is i am wrong but pippen started his career in chicago. Do you guys think pippen would even be mentioned the way he is now if he had played in the nba with a different team? I am a believer that mj was instrumental in making pippen better.

I guess what im trying to say is that i dont think MJ would ever in a milllion years want to team up with other stars to win more rings. All i can remember is mj taking the spotlight from magic. Not joining him. As i said im no nba superfan. I dont know all the details. Thats my opinion and i just love the knicks, and hate lebron, unless he ever came to ny. lol

saintknick
saintknick

@denelor @lobcity @franktkb Also the time-value of money. $1 today is worth a LOT more than $1 in 3 years. 


Insurance + T.V. of $ = sign a long contract now. Otherwise, why not just sign 1-year max deals over and over? You could make sure you have leverage over team-direction and always get max.


It is because anyone's career can be cut apart at any time. 2 years ago, we would have howled in delight if the Knicks could give D. Wade a max deal for 5 years. Heck, most of us were pretty happy giving STAT that deal.

saintknick
saintknick

@Sandro Guedes @knickfan2 Sideshow Bob is also not fully guaranteed I believe, so when Minny gets into full dump-mode in week 10 (or whenver they are allowed to trade him) they can try and move him or dump him if he's hurt (which he will be).

knickfan2
knickfan2

@Sandro I get your point. And I do agree Love, Kyrie, and LeBron would be more formidable than K.I. and LBJ with a rookie Wiggins...assuming Minny would settle for that trade package.

rb3b3
rb3b3

Its true, your right, how the hell can i possibly ever buy the jersey of a player i HATE!??!!? I guess the answer is he gives the knicks an instant shot at a championship, so the fraud in me would jump on the bandwagon.

I dont know how its possible, i really hate lbj. It dont make sense. It just brings the knicks closer to a championship and im drooling for that as all of you are.

saintknick
saintknick

@MeloStat301 @saintknick @rgm891 @rb3b3 100% right. No one is MJ or probably even Hakeem in this league anymore. LBJ is on par with guys like Ewing who were just insane statistical monsters and could anchor a team.


But it took Hakeem playing a broken Ewing (who couldn't hit a shot but still avg over 4 blocks a game and 13 rebounds in the finals) and MJ being out for a year to win.


No one can win by themselves. I have no beef with lebron teaming up to get a chip. I HAVE A PROBLEM, however, with how he did it. NO ONE would come to cleveland, so I get leaving, and I even get miami (low pressure but national attention anyway).



saintknick
saintknick

@rb3b3 Ok - I shoiuld have stopped reading when you said you were an Islanders fan.


Scottie Pippin was overshadowed by Michael Jordan, and while not the kind of player capable of winning it all by himself, neither was MJ.


Scottie was a career 47% shooter who's ONLY weakness in the offense was he didn't really hit 3's for a lot of his career- but then again, in the triangle he was rarely open from 3. When his role shifted for the second half of his career with the bulls, he shot about 37% from 3pt. Even with Jordan taking 30 shots a game, Pippin was scoring over 20ppg in his prime.


Sure he was a good offensive scorer, but thats not what made him great. What made him great is 2-3 steals per game, his all-world defense, his 8 rebounds per game (until rodman, then he was still grabbing more than 6 per game), his 6 assists per game.


Go look at the few games he played in his prime when MJ was out. Like the entire 94-95 season basically - Scottie averaged 48%/34.5%, 8 rebounds, 6 assists (now as the main scorer mind you), over a block and almost 3 steals per game! and 21ppg.


You want to talk about all-around player, Scottie pippin was great on every side of the game. If he played today, he'd be as good if not better than D. Wade in his prime (D. Wade scored more, Pippin was better in every other way AND was great for about 13-14 years versus wade's 9).


MY POINT IS Jordan didn't need to go anywhere else, he had his robin. If Jordan didn't have Pippin, Phil would have found one for him. If he couldn't, he would have gone to another team with a guy willing to play #2.


EDIT: but if your point is just that MJ wouldn't have teamed up with another all-time great of his era just for a chip, you are probably right. Same with other guys, because there was no need to do so - you had to develop your team to contend back then. And it didn't work out so well for Ewing, Barkley, basically everyone in that era that didn't play for the bulls or wasn't Hakeem Olajawan 

saintknick
saintknick

@knickfan2 Also remember, Minnesota has NO leverage. Love is gone as soon as he can go, they aren't winning anything in the west this year, and there will be teams with cap to get him outright if need be. 


They are best served trading him before the season starts for rookies and picks and tanking next season to get a top 3 to go with their rebuild.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@rb3b3 Yes. I would love a Knicks championship more than any sports team I follow. Just like all of us Knick fans. LeBron proved already he can't handle NY. I would feel dirty winning one with him. I guess I'm a little old school. 

rb3b3
rb3b3

I dont like that im an islander fan believe me its brutal.

Thanks for that post it really puts into prespective how good pippen really was.

rb3b3
rb3b3

Dont get me wrong, i would love more then anything to beat lebron and win the championship, thats the way its going to have to be anyway in reality.

rico
rico

Im already on it. Lebron was made for NY