Could Lamar Odom play pick up ball with Carmelo Anthony?

Keith Schlosser

Lamar Odom will officially begin his comeback attempt as he starts working out at the Knicks’ training facility this week. 

Having not played in the NBA in over a year, Odom is nowhere near where New York needs him to be. Likely a step (or two) behind, he’s isn’t expected to be in game-shape just yet. Instead of hitting the hardwood to scrimmage, individual conditioning will be one of the veteran forward’s main priorities as he makes his way back and the Knicks continue to evaluate him.

USATSI_7221605_110579513_lowresStill, after a few weeks in the gym, it’ll be interesting to find out where he stands. With that in mind, it’s being suggested that Odom could turn up on the Knicks’ Summer League team in Las Vegas next month. At the very least, he’d be able to strut his stuff against the NBA’s new generation of up and comers, as well as some of the fringe players (in similar situations to that of Odom’s, in fact) who are hungry and poised to fight for an opportunity in Vegas.

Such an introductory evaluation may do Odom and the Knicks some good.

But as Phil Jackson continues to do his homework on the former Laker’s current status, perhaps seeing him stack up against more serious competition would be worthwhile as well.

In recent weeks, some of the Big Apple’s most notable basketball talents have turned up at the Jordan Brand gym (Terminal 23) in Chelsea, looking to keep themselves fresh during the offseason.

The facility itself was inspired by Carmelo Anthony, and the Knicks’ superstar has been known to play competitive pick up ball there as well, enlisting some friends worth mentioning to join in on the fun. The forward hit the hardwood with J.R. Smith, Kemba Walker, Tobias Harris, Chris Smith and others this week (Zwerling, June 2nd). 

Should Odom get himself back into playing shape sooner rather than later, Terminal 23 could be an interesting landing spot this summer. If nothing else, matching up against such notable talent would provide Odom with a decent measuring stick to see how much further he needs to go.

Whereas playing with Anthony and Co. may provide Odom with more intense competition, it may also, ironically enough, allow him to play with less pressure as well. There won’t be as many people watching as there will be in Vegas, so being able to match up against some of the game’s best players (at his own pace, no less) could prove to be a huge confidence booster for the vet.




124 comments
Nicolas Grant
Nicolas Grant

http://prosportsdaily.com/Headlines/ExternalArticle?articleId=307565

The source, an insider at RealGM.com, said, “The Love deal is pretty much done. I think the fact that Kevin Love is so out and about in Boston is something that Danny wants out there so he can show someone like Melo that he means business. The Melo thing is the one that is on the hush. Melo is the primary target. They need a scorer from the wing position. Cs need to get Love first in order to work one (with) Melo. 


If history repeats itself. The Knicks might end up looking like Minnesota having a bunch of draft picks, and no star.  Which some here would like. Keep wishing on 2015 while teams are making moves now.

johneco
johneco

Let's talk about championship teams, not good teams.  There are a couple ways to build a championship team.

Historically, the most common has been to hit the jackpot and draft that one ultra-superstar that you'd never trade away, and then build around them through trade/draft/FA.  This was the way of every championship team since the Bird/Magic era, with the exception of maybe the Chauncey Billups Pistons, until the last 5 years.

In the last 5 years, we've seen Boston and then especially Miami build a championship team mainly through FA.  Yes, Boston had Pierce, but he was probably the least big of their big 3.  And Miami had Wade but he was an UFA.  So while the draft was still a factor, I'd argue that we have witnessed a shift, which is to our advantage given our team's big market and lack of patience.

Personally, I still feel the smartest path when you suck  is to gather draft picks, to either grab an ultra or a cheap promising core that will attract an ultra or two down the road.  Basically what Boston *shudder* is doing right now.  Will we ever have that kind of patience?  But with the shortening of contract durations, I believe the importance of FAs will continue to grow, so even without patience, as long as we can manage the cap to strategically have space when the top names are FA, we might have a shot.   

theking
theking

One thing for sure is a team has won with one star in place and surrounded them with talent and good coaching.

johneco
johneco

@Nicolas Grant  This is a nice fantasy for Boston fans, but how does it work from a salary cap perspective?

Boston would have to trade Wallace and Jeff Green to Minn. for Love.  It would take an awful lot of draft picks to sweeten that stinker.  Then they could probably clear about 20M per for Melo and sign him outright if they renounce Bradley.  Then they're totally capped out with no way to sign the defensive center they would desperately need with that lineup.  I don't see it.

johneco
johneco

@carl hill  At what price?  I don't want him for 12 million per.  And he'd be a poor consolation prize if we lost Melo.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Draft is a crap shoot. Injuries derail promising talent every year.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

That takes them out of the market for Melo.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Why does he need permission? fisher is not under contract to OKC for next year.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Very misleading as a lot of those second roundpicks were drafted by other teams, released and signed by the heat and spurs.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@SheSaidSpikeWho. Yet the bozos on here swear draft picks are useless!!!! LMAO FOH

Nicolas Grant
Nicolas Grant

@Mel Brown @Nicolas Grant I would hope not. It seems people want to run Melo out of town like Ewing. Why wouldn't he go there to kick or butts 4 times a yr in pursuit of a championship.

Nicolas Grant
Nicolas Grant

@johneco @Nicolas Grant Moving Jeff Green with Wallace to Minn would give them the cap space they need. The Cs reported a few months back they would listen to offers for Green. Green makes 9.2 mil & Wallace 10.1 mil. Cs have 10 picks over the next  2 yrs.

brookdon
brookdon

For every Spurs, there are three Kings, Bucks, and T-Wolves. It's all luck of the draw. No one would be singing the Spurs praised had they gotten the two pick that year and were forced to draft Keith van Horn

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @JesusBlasTheKnickWay Because it's so easy.

Morey's so smart that he put together a team that won't get a ring any time soon...hence, it's a team you'd complain about every season....as long as they'd have an Orange & Blue jersey.

johneco
johneco

@BiggieTKB  He's under contract right now though.  Till  the end of June I think.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

In fact only ginobli was drafted by the spurs and currently plays for them. All the others were free agent signings or trades.

Chris
Chris

@chudogz No the .44% thing just says that is the chance of drafting a star, if you will agree at any time their are about 20 players who are considered stars at any time in the league

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@bonobo

Stars are always the foundation - you obtain them however you can.  

Your latter point, however, is tough to disprove.  You either draft a star, or trade picks for one.  Either way, picks are involved.  You can't trade a 1st-rounder for the likes of "proven" NBA talent like Bargnani.  You just can't.

Chris
Chris

@bonobo A star is the foundation, not a draft pick. 

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Super stars are the foundation. Without Duncan the spurs are middle of the road.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@bonobo. Not according to people on here who prefer the "proven" veteran...LMAO... I totally agree with you, plus young guys are easier to trade than "proven" vets IMO

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Some here think the spurs were built entirely thru the draft....

Yes they got lucky with Duncan at the first pick overall. That's once in a generation.

They stashed ginobli over seas for three years as a late second round pick... Splitter too.. Having an all time player like Duncan allows you to so that.

Tony Parker was a late first round pick from France who didn't work out for anyone but pops as a 19 year old.. And kawhi Leonard was the product of the George hill trade.

The rest of the roster was free agent signings.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB Listen, you pair the amount of picks that turned into busts with the amount that turned into superstar players and you'll have an incredibly even competition.

Even those who have a limited knowledge of ball will know this.

You wanna make the draft out to be a sure fire thing, then good for you. 

But if you look at history, not only bball, but on most sports that have drafts working out for them, you'll see that your draft theory isn't as near as accurate as you make it out to be.

brookdon
brookdon

How did the Heat build their team? The Mavs? The Pistons? The Bulls from 96-98?

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Yep. If I'm a team with cap space I put a poison pill offer sheet out for parsons and lock Morey into matching or letting him walk.

Letting him walk doesn't free up any more space than his 2 mil cap hold. Wolves aren't trading Love to Houston for a build around parsons at 12 mil a year...and theknicks can't participate in sign and trades... Neither can Miami unless the big three opt out and Riley renounces them..

Morey just turned his off season over to parson's agent who can hold them hostage.

Letting CP go RFA is a strategy to keep him not get someone else.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB. TONY PARKER??

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB @Chris. Oh so Tony Parker is useless and now Kawhi Leonard.... LMAO, mad funny tho

brookdon
brookdon

Hell even our Knicks in the 90's was Ewing + pickups and trades until 97-99

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB The Spurs drafted to foreign players that were stars in Europe all ready. The NBA was not looking abroad well enough and the Spurs were. They have 10 players that are foreign on their roster

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

Kawhi Leonard was not drafted by the spurs

Neither was Danny green.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @brookdon Hey, go for it. Let's try it again.

Portland draftet Oden.

Pistons drafted Darko.

Memphis drafted Thabeet

Portland drafted Bowie

Toronto drafted Bargnani

SAC drafted Jimmer

Miami drafted Beasly

Minny drafted Flynn

Hawks picked Shelden Williams


I could go on forever.


I swear, my list goes on a lot longer than yours. Actually, my ist is light years from yours. There's teams that effed it up multiple times.


So you can go ahead and try to make it out to be like the draft is magical.

Even your mighty Suns didn't work through the draft.


So please, so making the draft out to be some sort of savior system.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

The Knicks used their drafted players (gallo, wil chandler) to trade for Carmelo.

brookdon
brookdon

I think your really just proving my point. It's all luck Mavs, Spurs, Pacers, Thunder, and GS were lucky to get these once in a generation guys at their spot in the draft. What about teams like Cleveland (Kyrie/Waiters) or Minny (Rubio/Derrick Williams) who get high picks in non-Durant level drafts.

Step one should be get a foundational piece however you can. If you're lucky to get one in the draft fine. But the draft does churn these guys out every year. Once every other year you may see one of these guys pop up.

theking
theking

But he still doesn't start

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

It's not spin. The spurs traded George hill for kwahi Leonard.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @brookdon Amarie losing his knees was well known, that is why the Suns wouldn`t sign him and no one else competed for him, nice try revisionist

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @brookdon I gave you the % of drafting a star it is .44% that is point 4 not even 4% You are either the worst gambler in the world, or just stubborn and have to be correct all the time. Is someone going to occasionally get a star, of course but the %s are way against each pick being a star. Stop pretending to be dumb 

brookdon
brookdon

So what if the Spurs didn't get the #1 pick that led to Duncan and had Van Horn and were forced to take Van Horn as their centerpiece? Would that havemade Buford and less a GM?

Robinson happened to get hurt and the spurs happened to get lucky enough in the lottery that they got a #1 pick who didn't get hurt and happened to become the greatest PF of all time.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@theking Sandro doesn't answer when he realizes his point doesn't have any substance to actually last beyond 2 or 3 posters' pov.

I respect him, but his agenda is as clear and flat as a politician's.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB Wrong. Indy drafted Leonard to further their depth in the SF/PF department, and SA offered them a combo guard they didn't have and they took it.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

In America giving up an asset for someone else's asset is called a trade.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @brookdon Cleveland had a slew of draft picks they did not make the playoffs either, The Wiz picked up Vets and made the playoffs for the first time in a long time, You can`t play  your silly irrational what ifs on here, your just not that smart

theking
theking

Suns have draft picks and youth and missed the playoffs as well ... Your point is?

brookdon
brookdon

The draft is a giant what if which is the point. What id Rubio became Stockton like people were pushing him as?

Fact- Knicks last year were a team built via trades and had a star that went to the second round of the playoffs. Clippers pre CP3 were a terrible team. They get their giants foundation and look at them now. Heat were a first round out for 3 straight seasons pre Signing Lebron. Look at them now. Bucks, Minny, Raptors, and Wizards have been drafting for years and none are contenders. Why? Because they were bad at the wrong time.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@VerySilentJay @Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB

Wrong. 

"The Spurs had already agreed to send George Hill to the Pacers for Indiana’s no. 15 pick, but only if a particular player or players were still on the board...The Pacers had expressed interest in Hill almost from the moment San Antonio drafted him out of Indianapolis-based IUPUI in 2008, according to executives with both teams. The Pacers had nearly traded for Hill during the 2010 draft, with their no. 10 pick as bait, but backed out when their preferred draft target — Paul George — was still on the board."

http://grantland.com/features/analyzing-kawhi-leonard-george-hill-trade-2013-conference-finals/

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes @BiggieTKB

Apparently, trading for a drafted player - before said player has ever signed a professional contract with a team - is not part of building through the draft? 

Talk about "spinning it to your agenda", lol