Daily News Live: Will Fisher coach the Knicks?

The Daily News Live panel discusses Derek Fisher’s impending interview with Phil Jackson later this week regarding the Knicks’ coaching job.




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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Wojo tweeted these right after Indiana lost Game 6. Wonder who he was citing right after he reported Frank Vogel was coming back?

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  May 31

Amazingly, it's almost always the coaches who most preach loyalty and character involved in this too.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  May 31

Here's something I've never seen worse in NBA than it is now: Unemployed coaches shamelessly in pursuit of jobs that are already filled.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  May 31

The Indiana Pacers intend to bring back Frank Vogel as coach, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

According to a person in his inner circle, Mark Jackson may be reluctant to coach the Knicks with too heavy an influence from the president’s office, making it a bad match. The Zen Master has been interested in interviewing the ex-Knick and former St. John’s star, who is working the NBA Finals for ABC. New York Post 

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Shams Charania: Along w/ P.J. Hairston, 2 others, Knicks will bring Arkansas State's Kirk Van Slyke (6-10) for group workout Thursday, source tells RealGM. Twitter @ShamsCharania


Adam Zagoria: Hairston's agent said Phil Jackson was teaching PJ the finer points of the triangle offense. Twitter @AdamZagoria

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Mark Jackson spotted outside MSG with a sign, "Will coach for food"

knick4life
knick4life

Still don't understand why Phil needs one of his former PGs to coach the triangle but I guess the failure of any other coach to run it successfully for the past 20 years may be part of the reason.

Marvel
Marvel

Just draft Russ Smith and I'll pardon any coaching hire.. even Lue lol

therealprof
therealprof

I know this is in the previous post, but seriously, if Phil figures out a way to get us a first round pick I will cry tears of joy.

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Smooth, but My Rangers could of use that kid in OT last night! After the debacle of the Knicks Season My Mets losing on a wild pitch NBA Sports Writers not even naming Melo to 3rd team All NBA I was hoping for some sports happiness last night but the Rangers.........sobbing!

chudogz1
chudogz1

@knowledge. The bulls have picks, plus Gibson, Butler and Boozer's contract, which only has one year left...

theking
theking

But but but gallo and mozgov were deal breakers lol TKB at its finest

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@SheSaidSpikeWho

Mark responded to that story in today's Post: “Obviously you hear the talk even if it’s the New York Post reporting my inner circle made a statement and I have no clue because my wife and kids haven’t spoken to The Post. To counter that, it’s an incredible job. It’s an incredible opportunity and I’m sure that Phil Jackson will do an outstanding job of finding the right coach to get that organization and that team headed back in the right situation.’’


Personally, I really dislike Mark's arrogance (remember, this is the same guy who tried to lead a team mutiny against John fvking Stockton in Utah), and it really seems like he contributed to the bizarre, unprofessional atmosphere in Golden State (e.g. videotaping religious youtube series from Warriors headquarter).  And yet, I have to admit that I am slowly coming around to the idea of coaching the Knicks - ultimately, I want someone coaching the team who WANTS to coach the Knicks.  Someone who won't request additional compensation to deal with East Coast winters rather than West Coast sunshine.  At the very least, Mark fulfills that criteria.  If Mark can embrace the role of Knicks' head coach with a "beginner's mind" (Zen-speak) and embrace Phil's guidance, this might be an interesting fit.

theking
theking

Why haven't they gotten out the first round tho? Why were they 3rd and lost to a six seed?

jeandd323
jeandd323

@bonobo

woodson is the weak link. 


Here are 10 watershed games  lost because of dubious coaching decisions in critical game situation or the team not ready to play. If we won half of those, we would have been in the playoffs:


Washington

Houston

Sacramento

Boston blowout

Atlanta

Philadelphia (twice)

Orlando

Milwaukee(2)


We were below 500 at home for crying out loud (19-22).

chudogz1
chudogz1

@OLDKNICK. In Phil we trust... Obviously draft picks are important to him, so who cares what some of these bloggers say or think.... Let's Go Knicks

theking
theking

Unless we are getting a center or a pg I hope we trade the pick to get one

Chris
Chris

@knowledge Excuse me Long island has more intell and Merit scholars then NYC. Pete Carill told me Princeton could fill its entire Frosh class with Long Island kids. We have kids in the NBA NFL and MLB, we also support NYC and upstate with our taxes. Your ignorance is at an all time high with that statement

chudogz1
chudogz1

@knowledge. Minnesota used to never make the playoffs with Garnett... And still don't with Kevin Love! You might want to do some research before making statements like that, there's tons of teams that were not put together right, that had a superstar and didn't make the playoffs.....were not the 1st, and certainly not the last.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB. I beg to differ, this draft is more than 6 deep.... I will guarantee you that.... I'm guessing u don't have Gordon in there for starters? Shabazz Napier will do well as will Russ Smith just to name a few.... There's tons of talent in the draft... That being said, I'm still glad we got Melo, but had Dolan not gotten involved, we could have gotten him for less than we gave up... It's fairly obvious Masai Ujiri knows he can get over on us as he did with Bargnani

theking
theking

@BiggieTKB  I do that trade all day ... not because he is my favorite player but because if we didn't and he went to bk dallas or la we would end up with d will ... so that's d will stat and pringles on the same team ... dolan probably wouldn't have even tried to get jax if melo wasn't upset ...


just saying

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB 

It all depends on whether we can resign Melo. If he walks and we get nothing in return, it was a bad deal. 

The fact that we are still debating it is telling. No one in LA is discussing whether they should gave given up Kaman, Gordon, Aminu, and the pick that became Austin Rivers for CP3. No one in Houston is questioning what they gave up for Harden. Even no one in LA is missing Andrew Bynum in the one year rental of Dwight Howard.

Denver also received Kosta Koufas in that deal and turned Ray Felton into Andre Miller and 1st and 2nd round draft pick. We received Billups and used amnesty on him to get rid of his contract. So it's a bit more of a deal that your post mentioned.

Melo is a great player and in his 3 1/2 half seasons has played for 4 GM's (Walsh, Grunwald, Mill, and Jackson) and 2 coaches. The organization has been in disarray and was never able to build a contending team around him. We had one good season and that's it.

therealprof
therealprof

@BiggieTKB I am not trying to muddy the waters, but I don't agree that this is a 6-deep draft. Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, Randle, Smart, Exum and Vonleh are all legit contributors on day one and all arguably better than anyone taken in the lottery last year, besides MCW. The 2nd tier is a decline, but still some real talent in the pool like LaVine, Gordon, Saric, Ennis, Young, Hood, Hairston, Anderson and McDermott. This is a really terrible draft to have to give up a pick at #12, but it doesn't change my vote: I would do the trade again in a heartbeat.

johneco
johneco

@BigChiefTriangle @SheSaidSpikeWho  Like Knicks_Fanatic said so eloquently, there is no way Mark is embracing any kind of guidance from anyone, and I think that is a dealbreaker for Phil.


One thing I wonder is how much any truly talented coach wants to receive guidance.  Succesful head coaches are typically very headstrong and confident and don't want any interference, it's almost part of the job description.  Ours is a weird situation that probably only a rookie coach would accept.



Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BigChiefTriangle @SheSaidSpikeWho 

This really reeks of desperation on the part of Mark Jackson. He probably has someone leak the information to the Post and then after that story runs, he denies it to get another headline. If you believe that Phil wants to interview Mark, but he is "reluctant" to coach the Knicks, the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale cheap.

In Utah, he convinced the other bench players that they were not getting fair treatment and not only went after Stockton but Sloan as well.  He got traded quite frequently as well. Not sure why, but it seems odd to bounce around like a journeyman for his whole career. 

Stockton may be getting a push out the door by his new backup this season and the No. 2 man on the career assist list, 38-year-old Mark Jackson. Three members of the Jazz organization now understand why Jackson has been traded seven times in his 16-year career: They say that over a period of weeks, he succeeded in turning several teammates against Stockton by repeatedly remarking that those players would be better off if Jackson were the Jazz’s floor leader. 

Jackson says his actions were in no way aimed at Stockton. “I’m a born leader, and if people take that as manipulation, then maybe they haven’t been around leaders,” he says. “I make no apologies for embracing people and talking to people and making them feel like they’re important. Maybe in the past those stray dogs have been left on the side, but that’s not the way I treat people.”

http://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/

If you think he will take direction from anyone, the Brooklyn Bridge is your for $50.00!

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@BigChiefTriangle @SheSaidSpikeWho Thanks Chief! I didn't see that. 


I agree with you on a coach that WANTS to coach the Knicks. I think it is vital. I'm not going to go crazy about who ends up coaching the team unless Phil ends up hiring someone like Luke Walton lol.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@jeandd323. EXACTLY... It's obvious Kidd and Kurt and Rasheed were the coaches 2 years ago, except to those that don't want to see it.... I say good riddance WoodRow

Greg
Greg

@BiggieTKB could not agree more. 

I don't know if Jackson is the right man for the job but i do know that he has prior success as a HC in the NBA on his resume and is from Queens,and thats good enough to beat Fisher in my book. I think the coaching hire will dictate if Phil wants a coach or a puppet. 

theking
theking

@BiggieTKB  why? lue Walton or Dunleavy are our saviors according to the most "knowledgeable" TKBers  

chudogz1
chudogz1

Tyler Ennis will do well also. Same thing I said last year about MCW and people on here were laughing at me.... I am a Syracuse fan, but have watched bball since 1989

theking
theking

@knowledge  for real? which I why there hasn't been another melo? hell you can have another Durant bron and harden if the refs like you according to your "knowledge" right?

Greg
Greg

@therealprof @BiggieTKB Gordon is not a second tier talent and will go in top-5 picks, Levine is the king of that 10-15 range, has all-star ceiling. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @BigChiefTriangle @SheSaidSpikeWho

"If you think he will take direction from anyone, the Brooklyn Bridge is your for $50.00!"


Lol - you are probably right on with that.  I think Mark is a great salesman, and right now is just saying whatever he can to best sell himself for this job.  

That Stockton situation was just so low-class...really speaks to his arrogance and lack of humility.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BigChiefTriangle @BiggieTKB 

Here is a clue to his identity, based on my undergrad studies of primates.

The bonobo is popularly known for its high levels of sexual behavior. Sex functions in conflict appeasement, affection, social status, excitement, and stress reduction. It occurs in virtually all partner combinations and in a variety of positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB. Please Please remember next year what you're saying now!! Don't catch Amnesia.... THERE WILL BE MORE THAN 5 or 6 good players in this draft... You heard it here 1st, I guess..

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB 

Between 1992 and 2002, Mark Jackson was traded 7 times. What is the minimum standard for carpet bagging?

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB. Sounds pretty much like what everyone was saying about guys like Kemba Walker and MCW.... Neither too 5 picks that are doing just fine.... It's NOT fortune telling my guy, you really think Sam PRESTI is a fortune teller?? It's the scouts job, that's the bottom line whether you say so or not.... So your saying scouts are useless then, right? We should hire a fortune teller or a Gypsy then? LMAO LOL ROFLMWAO... Thanks, I needed a good laugh

Greg
Greg

@Knicks_Fanatic @Greg @therealprof @BiggieTKB true, great measurable's at combo guard, i think at the least he's an offensive force off bench. He's only 19, feel if he stayed another year he'd be a slam dunk lottery pick. 

1harris1
1harris1

Ha ! You're right about that. Getting traded 7 times in 10 years doesn't translate to an invaluable steadying team influence.

Mark does have a way though of getting people to listen to him. The Utah story is proof of that, insofar as he wasn't there for 5 minutes before he had half the team siding with him in his saga with both Stockton and Sloan (guys who were fixtures with the Jazz franchise for years).

To be fair, Mark's clearly proven to be a qualified coach, and seemingly most of his players in Golden State held him in high regard. I just don't see the personalities of Mark and Phl matching, but stranger pairings in sports have taken place. He can definitely handle the NY scene, which was something I always wondered about with Kerr.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@BiggieTKB. Because Cleveland's front office resembles Knicks front office of the past.... NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE had Bennett as the top pick except those bozos!!! I never ever ever said it was exact science, but it clearly is someone's job to evaluate the available talent and make a wise selection... There's no analytic involved if you ask me....