Despite horrible season, Tyson Chandler is playing well

Harris Decker

Tyson Chandler, Roy HibbertNotice the contradiction in that headline? So did I. I’ve heard over and over this year that Tyson Chandler has regressed to a point that he has no trade value and is hurting the team. This sentiment has been repeated by the media and countless fans. We even discussed it on the TKB Podcast a number of times.

The thing is, if you actually look at the numbers, Chandler is matching his Defensive Player of the Year stats from 2011-12. Unfortunately, a defensive presence in the middle of a bad team tends to disappear.

In a straight comparison to that year, Chandler is averaging more rebounds, the same exact number of blocks and less turnovers per game. Sure, he’s only scoring 8.9 points per game compared to the 11.3 in 2011-12, but let’s face it, he’s not here to score points. He’s here to play great defense and rebound the ball.

That’s right. You heard it here. Chandler is actually on pace to match his defensive numbers from the year he won Defensive Player of the Year. So, what has changed since then? It’s actually really simple. He’s not helping the team win. Instead, he’s helping them lose by less.

Offensively, Chandler is clearly having a bad season. His field goal and free throw percentages are down, while his assists are way up. In fact, his 1.2 assists per game are a career high.

So, let’s put a stop to the “Chandler has regressed commentary.” It’s simply not true. He just isn’t as impactful when the team is playing so poorly. Chandler is still a great player and although his contract spelled disaster for the front office (by way of the Chauncey Billups amnesty), on the court, there aren’t many centers that are as consistent as him.




81 comments
Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

Harris, there are three types of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. His stats are good, but his performance doesn't pass the eye test.


Part of being a defensive player is doing what doesn't show up in the stat line, except maybe in his foul total. He doesn't (any longer) challenge drivers in the paint, for example. He is playing it safe on defense. I'd say that he's trying to stay on the floor except that he has copied D. Lee's tactic of ripping easy rebounds out of team mate' hand's to pad his rebound stats. He is playing safe and taking care of his stats for his next contract.


Also, " . . . and less turnovers per game. . . " Try "and fewer . . . " Being a journalist means knowing basic grammar and you regularly make elementary mistakes. Can't imagine who your HS English teachers were, let alone your college professors.

hpindigo
hpindigo

I enjoy reading this blog and the comments that are put up here- usually as a voyeur. I just cant sit here and read this crap when the host of this site is putting up some obvious garbage. I must have been watching a completely different season than you have to this point Harris. How can you possibly convince yourself that Chandler is playing well???!!! He is playing like complete garbage this year. We have had more teams drive right down the lane than ever before. 

Chandler is over 7' tall- He is supposed to get rebounds. For a big guy, he is a TERRIBLE rebounding center. Of course he has a few games per season that have been great in terms of rebounding, but over all, way too few of them. His "new and improved" outside shot is still missing from his repertoire. He can manage to run a pick and roll nicely if you have a solid point guard to deliver the goods, but without the ability to pick and pop, it makes him way too easy to defend. Recently his finishing around the basket has been atrocious. Ive never seen him miss this many easy shots. He has become SOFT over the last 2 seasons. The only fire that I EVER see in him consistently is the stupid worthless arguments that he gets into with the refs after every foul called on him. That sort of consistency seems to be running rampant on this team. Now if they had a coach who smacked them in the face every time they argued a call and benched their asses for outbursts, this team would be in a much better position. I'm done with my rant, but I just want you to know Harris that you cant put up crap reporting on here and think that you wont be called out on it. And if you will come out and make wild claims like this- back it up with some damn data. Even if you were able to produce that data, id tell you that it's skewed. Pure garbage reporting on this.

kidrobot
kidrobot

Harris Decker I don't know who you are, but I ask that you take your views and opinions on the Knicks back to whatever state you came from.  Go write for the Indiana Pacers or Milwaukee Bucks blog.  Gonna assume you live in Williamsburg, love PBR and ride a fixie to work.  Were you even alive in 1994 or in high school in 1999?  Seriously spare me that Tyson Chandler is having a good season.  I have seen him miss more layups and putbacks in the last 10 days to know he is not.  And I am tired of the championship pedigree thing.  He played on Dallas one year.  Outside of 2011, he was a drifter.  

po_diddley
po_diddley

Chandler is no Tim Duncan, Shaq, or Olajuwon defensively. But let's not put him in the Longley/Wennington category either, folks. He was as big defensively for that Mavs team as Dirk was offensively.

Yes, he's overpaid. However, when you stick one defensive player in a game with 4 mediocre/bad defensive players, you can only expect so much.

chudogz1
chudogz1

I propose a Dolan for Prokhorov trade........we will throw in WoodRow, so he can be J Kidd's assistant, you know, role reversal from last year, and we will include 2 highly touted 2nd round draft picks in 2018 and 2022.....

chudogz1
chudogz1

The year we got Chandler, I was hoping we went for Marc Gasol, who was also a free agent..... They get about the same $$....... Had that happened, I think we would have been in a better position... IMO

hashburry
hashburry

Chandler is NOT a great player.  And it is debatable whether he deserved the defensive player of the year award when he got it.  He is always out of position on defense, switches incessantly and ends up covering players that he can't cover (I get the switching is a team thing) and his rebound totals are totally inflated because he can't put back a point blank layup and gets a handful of offensive boards every night by missing shots from right under the rim.  He's been schooled by the last 2 centers he has faced and spends most of his time complaining to the refs.

brookdon
brookdon

You write this a night after the opposing center dropped 17-26?????

hosket
hosket

Hope the rest of the NBA is into stats as well.......maybe for once we can fleece someone.   He is always....always out of position.  the ball bouncing off the front of the rim has to deflect directly into his hands before he looses the handle.......for a rebound.

...Instead of getting offensive rebounds he either:  takes off down the court as the shot is leaving his teammates hands to beat everyone down the court to set-up on D....or does the volley ball move and bats it to the perimeter..forget 2 hands and putting it back.....check out the offensive rebound stat.....now correlate that to Melo, JR and Felton misses...Chandler could be in top 5 of scoring.....

Faces the basket....on Defense!.....gives up the base line......takes spectator to a new level on the court.....Love the impressive rebound stat....keep it up......

Yeah the complaining....the lack of offensive sense and the coasting on his laurels on D.....setting a pick? Ha....

.....They can trade him......get a pick and a "serviceable center back and he'll be an upgrade......

cole3244
cole3244

chandler has a ring unlike the favs of the morons on this site.

yoyo66
yoyo66

Listening to a guy the other day on ESPN talking about the next-level stats that are slowly being introduced into the NBA. He said that they are not replacing the "eye test", but will complement it.


Having said that, this article seems to have fallen into the stats-only area. My eye test tells me that Chandler is:

- not defending the post AT ALL WELL against other centers who post up

- not sliding over quick enough to be a good help defender

- complaining about EVERY DAMN CALL constantly

- possessor of possibly the worst pair of hands in NBA history

- rebounds poorly in traffic

- lazy (I mean, Amare-level lazy) when doing a high pick

- seldom ever getting a big shot/rebound/block

Other than that, his game is on point! ;)

Paul Russomanno
Paul Russomanno

He is also pathetic on offense. He gets blocked by Stephen Curry (fail)

Paul Russomanno
Paul Russomanno

Chandler is not playing well. He has been pathetic and is a huge reason why our defense sucks. He is not nearly the same player he was in his first year as a Knick. He is over rated and should have never won DOP last year because he didn't even get on all first team all defense. MArc Gasol should have won it. His 14 million is killing us. Ive seen Tyler and Aldrich have better games than him, sadly.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

tyson wants woody outta here. he's not playing his hardest at all.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Chandler DPOY in 2011-12 was allowing 99 points per 100 possessions to be scored when he was on the floor. The Knicks gave up 101 and were 5th. This year, Chandler is at 105 with the team allowing 109.5 for 27th. The rest of the team (900+ minutes) is in the 109 to 114 range. 

It should be clear that we are much better with Chandler on the floor.

ds2488
ds2488

Blocks are a very overrated and misleading statistic.  They tend to be indicative of good defense, but not determinative.  Think about it this way:  A guy can average 3 blocks per game, but that's because he contests less shots but is more efficient in terms of racking up the "block" statistic.  In that way, blocks are somewhat meaningless.


It's all about the eye-test, the shots contested that don't count as blocks but result in misses.  The altered shots, the forced passes from cutting off a driver to the basket...those kinds of things.


Anyone watching these games can see Tyson is not doing that nearly as well as he did a couple years ago.

rico
rico

"There are liars, damn liars and statisticians" 


Mark Twain

Sandro
Sandro

Chandler should be in Phoenix by now. Shumpert in Oklahoma.

We'd be standing here talking about who would we pick on the draft with those picks.

That would've been the only hope for this summer.



rico
rico

@Mr.Boots  you just quoted me (see my post 10 hours earlier) quoting Mark Twain. 


C'mon Mr Boots, rip me off fine but give attribution to Twain


re. "liars, damn liars, and statisticians" M Twain

chudogz1
chudogz1

Shawn Marion is also a lock down defender, and Jason Kidd got more steals in one game that year, than Fatty got all season.... I don't mind Chandler, but Marc Gasol has more all around talent, and was a free agent

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@chudogz  

Marc Gasol was a restricted free agent and Memphis matched the Rockets offer to retain. They were going to match any deal. We were never in a position to get him. In order to get Chandler, we had to work a three way sign and trade with Washington taking Turiaf to make the money work out. Memphis would not have agreed to any sign and trade deal. We only got Chandler because Cuban wanted to create cap space.

chudogz1
chudogz1

And then the team he won with let him go..... And watched us over pay him

hashburry
hashburry

@cole3244  What does having a ring mean?  Adam Morrison and Darko Milicik along with Eddie Curry have rings.

Sandro
Sandro

@Knicks_Fanatic

Everyone sucks defensively on the Knicks. Chandler just sucks less.

Sucks being the focal point.

brookdon
brookdon

Nets long term are in worse shape than us.

jax13
jax13

Yes they are...the future is bright for nets!

They are built for this season, championship all the way.

We are awful right now but the nets, c'mon man.

po_diddley
po_diddley

Hash, being the starting center on a championship team means something, unless you're talking about Longley.

Thats a clown comment, bro.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@thatsagoodpoint @Knicks_Fanatic 

These arguments against Chandler are just like the ones being used against Melo.

105 Chandler

109 Prigioni, Shump, Melo

110 STAT

112 JR, Felton

114 Hardaway

So, I'll use the "It's hard to fly like an eagle, when you work with a bunch of turkeys" in response

Here are the 2011-12 5th rated defense numbers

99 Chandler

100 Jeffries, JR

101 Shump, Lin, STAT

102 Fields Melo Douglas

105 Novak

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn @Knicks_Fanatic 

Yes, he can and he does. He has a guaranteed contract for next season and will have a job in the NBA after it expires. He doesn't have to play Woody's failed defense or try to save Woody's job. He wants him gone.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic I agree with that in that Chandler is not here for his offense and we all should know that.  I don't even look to Chandler to provide offense. 

I look to him to help lead and communicate on defense where players should be.  However, with all the crazy switches, you can easily see Chandler is totally fed up with Woody's system and has basically quit.There are moments where he just refuses to roll or step over and contend a man coming down the lane.  

I know it must be frustrating playing under this defensive scheme but he can't let his m.o, on defense suffer due to Woody. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn @Knicks_Fanatic 

Chandler is a low usage, high efficiency player. With the Knicks he has taken 5.9 shots per game and scores 10.4 ppg. That is really helpful to an offense. He makes plays without the needing the ball. He is really excellent at screening and chipping to get shooters open. He gets 3 offensive rebounds a game.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic LOL We didn't get Chandler for his offense because that has always sucked. He rarely shoots and when he does it's usually a alley oop.

Yet, his defense is the one that is the issue and he has quit on Woody for sure. I did think he was a better leader on the defensive end of the floor prior to this year.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@thatsagoodpoint @Knicks_Fanatic 

Chandler clearly has no interest in playing for Woodson. 

There is such a negative vibe that the coach gives off. Every game, there are 20-30 references by the announcer about how unhappy Woody is. Every time a player makes a mistake, he yells at them. I've never seen a pro coach act in this manner. He is the frowning face of failure.

It is a coach's job to get the most out of his players. If you've ever worked for a nasty, negative boss, it makes it extremely difficult to come to work and excel.

jax13
jax13

I would rather have prokhorov too but look at their team: often injured highly paid center....often injured very highly paid pg who plays well in bunches, never consistent for nets...kg n pierce old n on verge of retiring....joe Johnson has had a great year but also injury prone.

Their ceiling is first round playoff loss....as bas things are right now, we will be in a better position by 2015, hopefully Dolan n mills silence means something big is on horizon.....I am trying to be positive but I just don't see the nets being a contender anytime soon....

jax13
jax13

Presently, the entire league can say that except for a few teams.

What do the nets do after this year? What is their plan? Cap hell

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Jerry Gee @Knicks_Fanatic@Sandro 

Kevin Love has yet to appear in a playogg game. He is leaving Minnesota after next season. Boston has more to offer than anyone else. You don't need an in. You need to make the best offer.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro @Knicks_Fanatic 

Ainge already has the 4 and 15 picks in the draft. He doesn't need anymore. He wants to package the picks and young players for Kevin Love. He wants to keep Rondo.

Sandro
Sandro

@Knicks_Fanatic @Sandro

No.

You combine OKC and Suns' picks, and move from 2 late 1st rounders into 1 mid rounder.

Then you call Ainge with a #15 2014 pick and a 2018 Knicks pick.