Fans want Jackson, Knicks want Kerr

Harris Decker

On Tuesday, Mark Jackson was fired as head coach of the Golden State Warriors, ending his three year run with the team. Over that time, he went 121-109, making the playoffs in two of the three seasons. Rumors had been going around for a long time he had clashed with the Golden State front office and it seems like that has now cost him his job.

Mark JacksonSteve Kerr is likely to make a decision regarding the Knicks head coaching position sometime this week. It seems extremely likely that he will take the position, but that has created an interesting debate. With Mark Jackson’s firing, does he make more sense to coach the Knicks?

In one word: No. Mark Jackson is a guy with a plan. He is an extremely capable coach who will receive a ton of attention from teams across the NBA. The reason that Mark Jackson doesn’t make sense in New York is the same reason he didn’t make sense in Golden State.

Jackson is a strong willed man who is good at his job. While it would be smart for him to team with Phil Jackson, there’s no guarantee that the two would get along. After all, Mark was just fired for not getting along with the front office. What do you imagine the relationship between Mark and Phil would look like the first time they disagreed?

Phil Jackson needs a coach that he can mold. Mark Jackson is very close to being a finished product as a coach, despite his firing. Kerr is a guy who can grow into the position under Phil and learn from the living legend.

Despite all of this, SNY’s poll seemed to show that the fans disagree. Sixty-three percent would rather see Mark Jackson coach the Knicks. While it’s easy to see the appeal of a guy like Mark Jackson, Kerr is the guy that makes sense. If Phil Jackson was never brought in as the Knicks president this would be a much easier decision. In that case Mark Jackson would be the guy. But given Phil’s presence, Kerr simply makes the most sense and I believe he will accept the position before the week is out.




41 comments
Todd David Ferrell
Todd David Ferrell

Phil wants someone to mold? LOL. He wants someone he can control and wimpy Kerr fits the bill. Knicks are headed to irrelevance once again and Phil can laugh all the way to the bank. Hiring Mark makes too much sense to MSG.

blackgrl71
blackgrl71

From a purely basketball stand-point, Mark might make sense. But I'm skeptical of any coach who has essentially TWO full-time jobs: one, as an NBA head coach and two, a minister of his own church. Unless you can set down professional parameters that will force him to appropriately separate the two, which I heard was an issue for Rev. Jackson, then he'd be a good candidate. But I don't want to hear about him suggesting/'pressuring' players to attend service, or anything else associated w/ favoring certain players (aside from your top players) because they've 'bought'' into the religious dogma  that's outside of purview of winning basketball games. 


Frankly I don't know how he can be both a minister w/ any real validity AND a full-time NBA coach. Think about how much time and effort goes into being an NBA coach -- it doesn't seem feasible. And somehow I can't see Phil being ok w/ that. I also think we're going to start to hear about all the 'stuff' that went on behind the scenes that will shed a bad light on Mark in the coming weeks.

hashburry
hashburry

If Cartwright is in place, Jackson may be a good fit. He is totally overmatched as an Xs and Os coach.  

Randy Wilson
Randy Wilson

GS is always trying to eff the Knicks. They want Kerr bc the almighty Jackson put his name out there. Just like when they pick Steph Curry before us when they already had Monta Ellis and they ran him out of town like they did Mark Jackson.

Thomas Mallory
Thomas Mallory

I agree the hire must b a Phil guy while he is in the position otherwise Mark would b a no-brainer or Pat Ewing

rico
rico

I only care what LUTE OLSEN thinks

rgm891
rgm891

Steven A Smith comments are baffling.  What about Mark Jackson?  What about Jason Kidd?  They had no coaching experience and they got offered jobs?  He is making it sound like a person like Kerr with no coaching experience happens all the time?  Please Steven A.   You're on cloud nine on this one.

brookdon
brookdon

@WojYahooNBA: Andrew Bynum has left the Indiana Pacers, team says. Knee issue never resolved and he'll no longer be with Pacers in playoffs.

This guy may be done in the NBA. What a shame. Hopefully he was financially responsible.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

For some reason I've yet to understand, Kerr has somehow turned into a hot commodity.... How? I don't know, given that he's a rookie coach, with no experience whatsoever with X's and O's and ego management, while at the same time willing to let his employer/mentor walk all over him and tell him how to do his job (something more experienced coaches wouldn't allow).


M Jackson doesn't Phil into the "system school of basketball" Phil wants to bring to NY, which is why I think it's highly unlikely that Phil even considers M Jackson as a candidate.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

OT.  I read a rumor that Hibbert is playing so poorly bc he found out Paul George is sleeping with his wife.


Would you do a Chandler for Hibbert trade straight up?  I don't know about their salaries, just curious if people would trade Chandler, who has kind of lost his mojo with The Knicks, for Hibbert who has lost his mojo for The Pacers.  

jax13
jax13

Hire Kerr already n let's get this thing moving. No more iso heavy coaches at msg. I love mark jax but not for knicks.

I want a system n we need that. Get Kerr n then as teams get ousted from playoffs, let Phil work some magic on roster.....

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

This is what people who want Jackson don't get.  Kerr is phil's protege.  Phil will be there at training camp. Kerr is going to be an extension of Phil's philosophy, not just the Triangle, but all the Zen stuff that makes Phil so special.  Jackson would not be that guy.


Also, for those who think Kerr doesn't have any experience, we have a whole year coming up, regardless of if Melo leaves or not, where we won't be expected to compete for a title.  This will be Kerr's training year.  In all reality, if Melo stays, 2016 will be the best possible year for us to compete.  2015 we can reload on free agents but we have to give the team a year to gel with their new acquisitions.  And if we structure Melo's contract and the new big free agent contracts correctly, then 2016 will also be a year where we can add a full mid level piece to our core.  So think about it that way, we have 2 seasons for Kerr to train on the job.  Kerr won't mind if Phil sits with him during some games if the team is struggling or if Phil takes over a practice or gives a speech in the locker room.  Jackson would not go for that.  I think Jackson will be a good fit for another team somewhere, but not here with Phil in charge.  Phil wants his own guy.

lobcity1
lobcity1

If the Knicks didnt have Phil then I would be all over Mark but the Knicks do and he will not fit here period. Mark Jax is getting a lot heat but I actually like him a lot as a coach. He didn't have enough talent to get over the better teams in the West and it's that simple. Mark Jackson is one of the better coaches in the League today and I expect him to have success in the NBA but just not with the Knicks, as long as Phil is here.

patspads
patspads

Jax will run a stale, iso offense that is just a small step above what Woody does.  I love Jax, loved him as a PG and as a commentator, but we need a fresh approach.  Doesn't really matter: Phil would never hire him bc he won't implement Phil's system, but the fans are wrong on this one.

lobcity1
lobcity1

OT.

Did anyone see KD's MVP speech? I finally got to see it today and it was a touching speech. KD wears his heart on his sleeves and I respect him a lot for it. Great guy, puts God first, and a nice person. Perfect guy to be the face of the league.

cj1786
cj1786

I'm a fan, but with that said I will say that fans opinion is usually one of the worst things to look at when deciding what is best for the team.  The reason being they get too emotionally invested.  In a case like this, the reason the fans want Jackson is not because of what he did in Golden State, and not because he has developed into a solid coach.  Fans would pick Mark Jackson over just about any other (equally qualified) candidate because they remember him as a Knick, and how he was as a player with the Knicks.  Its the same reason why so many Mets fans cry for the team to hire Wally Backman as the manager.  Even though Backman has 1) never managed in the majors or had any sort of success qualifying him for the job, or 2) had any real interest by any other teams to manage, Mets fans just swear he would be the greatest manager in the world.  And its based solely on the fact that he was a gritty player on the 1986 championship team.  They have that emotional attachment to that team. 

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

I think Jackson is a great motivator, but not sure how great a coach he is, and I heard he was very arrogant.  Also, fans could want Jackson, but he's not a triangle Phil guy, so there's really no point.  We'd all like Lebron, but that isn't happening, so what's the point?

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Randy Wilson  That's a bit paranoid, imo.

Monta Ellis was always considered an undersized 2 guard, and Curry was proected to go way up there. Remember, Minny picking Flynn disruspted those projections. All Walsh had to do was trade up if he wanted to.

I sincerely doubt GS picked him to spite the Knicks. They just made the move they deemed was best for their squad.

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

@rgm891  He's making up a problem because he has too. Kerr is the hot guy now with no experience. Someone should tell SAS that M.Jackson was Kerr 3 years ago. He was mentioned with NY (If i remember he got an interview) and a few other teams. Ended up getting the job at GS. 


Kerr has a relationship with Phil but also with people in GS because they worked together in PhX. Utah is rebuilding. Makes sense to get a young coach. 


I still think Kerr gets the job with NY because of Phil. Even tho GS has the better roster. 

hashburry
hashburry

@brookdon  Why is it a shame?  He will go down as one of the biggest dogs to ever play in the NBA, along with Curry.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon  

Bynum really hasn't played in two years. If you look back at the Dwight Howard trade, Orlando should be declared the winner. Howard left LA. Iguodala left Denver. Bynum never even played for Philly. Orlando got Vucevic, Harkless, Affalo, and either Denver or our lottery pick this year.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@Blaze NYK  If this is true, I would have done murked George if I were him.  Considering Hibbert is Jamaican, I'm surprised George is still able to play.

cssdmark
cssdmark

If Kerr is Phil's protege why is it taking over a month to get done. I am not sure if Kerr has the gonads to coach in New York

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

I also think its crazy Jackson got fired even if he did ruffle some feathers with management.  GS just won 50 games for the first time in a long time and the second year they have gotten to the playoffs, took a very good clippers team to 7 games in a tough western conference. Tough crowd!

hashburry
hashburry

@Mel Brown @rgm891  Why are retreads any better?  What championship coach is sitting out there waiting to get hired?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @rgm891 

Look at Hollins, Karl, and Del Negro as well. All fired last year after 50 win seasons and no one came calling. I believe it's a trend away from "old school" coaches that want to rule the roost and embrace strategies of the past, rather than getting with the times. Owners and the front office have embraced advanced statistics and want to have input into the roster and system.

Phil Jackson is the perfect example of this. He wants to be the coach by proxy, implementing his brand of basketball through a coach. A new coach with no experience would be far more cooperative in that regard. So a Steve Kerr looks far more attractive to the organization. 


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@illmatix @VerySilentJay  Even if Phil turns his coaching-less reputation into gold, Kerr's done jack to deserve all the press he's getting now.

imo, there are better options out there. Proven options.

I just think Phil wants a puppet to control any time he wants.

jax13
jax13

He will be an extension of Phil. So if you look at that as having no original ideas, so be it. I look at it like they r on same page n will talk all decisions thru.....

If you read Phil jaxs book, it promotes original thought and Kerr is an example in it more than a few times.....

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@pezhao  That's not really what I said, is it?  Way to twist my words!


Kerr will be an extension of Phil bc he played for him and understands his philosophy and The Triangle.  Jackson would not be that guy.  Phil is trying to build a culture around HIS vision.  I'm sure Mark Jackson could do a good job here, although its debatable how good of a coach he is.  But what I am saying is that it does not matter how good he is bc Phil WANTS Kerr.  Its a Spoelstra Riley type situation.





dogmanx23
dogmanx23

@illmatix @Mel Brown @rgm891  I disagree. It's not only Phil. People are looking at Jason Kidd, M.Jackson and Hornacek and the success they've had with no head coaching experience. This is part of it. 


All those guys mentioned before. Hollins got interviews. Karl was the one that wanted a year off from coaching. He'll have plenty of chances to be a coach this season. Del Negro is like Woodson. At best he'll get you to the 2nd rd. 


Eventually the league looks for new blood on the bench. Johnson, Woodson, Del Negro, Hollins have had their chances. 


Kenny Atkinson from Atlanta will be a head coach soon. You wait and see. 

Thomas Mallory
Thomas Mallory

@illmatix @Mel Brown @rgm891  I do agree with i dont think Kerr was a coaching afterthought until Phil took over the Knicks job. I'd rather see Jim Clemons who sat by Phil all those years and even was a head coach

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @Knicks_Fanatic  Given the circumstances (the entire circus Dwight had turned that team into), Orlando did quite well. They found a reliable, young C with a promising future.

One of the better 2 way guards in the league in Afflalo.

And nice yuong pieces that could turn into very solid rotation players, if not more.

Flexibility moving forward.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@illmatix  Knicks have done nothing? Phil already had a meeting with Kerr.

Reportedly, part of the meeting with Melo was to talk about Kerr.

And, reportedly, guys like Fischer, Kerr, Shaw, etc., are of Phil's liking because he knows that he'll be able to chime in his two centes when it comes to practice, trainning, and coaching.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@rgm891 @VerySilentJay @illmatix  We're all assuming Jax will want to implement the triangle (and rightly so, it's logical). We all know that's Jax's trademark, but his statements were clear, he wants system ball in NY, not directly referring to the triangle. 

This is an assumption due to Jax's success because of it.

That said, proven coaches can implement the triangle offense should the choose to.

In today's NBA, many coaches have many triangle schemes in their playbooks.