Final: Magic 129, Knicks 121 in 2OT

The New York Knicks were defeated by the Orlando Magic in double overtime tonight by a score of 129 to 121.

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This was a very sloppy game for both teams. There were a lot of turnovers, a lot of errant shots and very little defense.

Carmelo Anthony played great, scoring 44 points on 16 for 28 despite an excellent defensive effort from the Magic’s Tobias Harris. That defense caused a key turnover with just under 24 seconds on the clock in the 4th, leading to overtime.

There was a very funky play during the first overtime in which Tyson Chandler received an easy alley oop opportunity. The ball hit Chandler’s head and bounce out. It was ruled offensive interference and the go ahead basket was not counted.

Once again, a pair of guards destroyed the Knicks. Tonight it was Victor Oladipo and Arron Affalo (who got hurt in the 2nd overtime) who scored a combined 62 points. Oladipo added 14 assists.

A big key to this game were Anthony’s minutes. He once again played over 45 minutes (4th time this season) despite the Knicks leading in the 3rd quarter by 13. When he could have been resting, Anthony stayed out there and was fatigued towards the end of the game.

Six Knicks were in double figures. J.R. Smith, Tyson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Amare Stoudemire joined Anthony with 10+.

The Knicks play again tomorrow night, taking on the Hawks in Atlanta starting at 7:30pm.




250 comments
beezo
beezo

Knicks management did a horrible job at the trade deadline. They should have traded Tyson and Shump to Phoenix for Okafor and a first round pick then traded JR and Beno to the Bobcats for Ben Gordon. At the end of the season we would have gotten 26 mil off the cap and had a 1st round pick. The knicks overvalue Tyson's usefulness and should have moved him.

knickster
knickster

Step 1: Fire Wodson and get a real coach

Step 2: sign-and-trade Carmelo, trade Chandler, whatever. Assemble a support team, a well balanced-team under the cap, a mix of draft pick, young players.

Sep 3: get your (Melo replacement) "team star" in 2015 or 2016.


Then we will be contenders in 2015 or 2016.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

I can't wait to see promo or Commercial of Chandler showing that comical layup/dunk whatever while playing the tune  I'm the Man, I'm the Mn in the background. Like Garnett, I could see Kinciks Fans screaming you suck too in the commercial.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

What if Melo leaves? It's not the end of the world in reality

1. More than likely it will be a sign and trade so we'll get back some kind of talent and picks

2. Basically tank 2014 for a high pick in the 2015 draft.

3. Trade Chandler and Bargnani at some point during the year

4. Depending on 3, Starting five for 2014: Tyler,Tyson, PF/Bargs, SF, Timmy, Felton/PG


Essentially, don't get rid of Shumpert, Tyler, or Timmy period. Try to get a good haul for Melo, use 2014 as a building year, and then do what you have to do after the year in FA.

Oh, and find a damn coach!

knickster
knickster

First step in the road to recovery is to get a coach before the season is over. Fire Woodson.

knickster
knickster

Things are bound to get worse, because all players (except Carmelo) know they are not part of the future. Expect Kmart, Meta, Udrih, Shumpert, etc, to start chaos in the lockeroom.

I would not be surprised if some players are secretly happy that the team will miss the playoffs.

zebeto
zebeto

..The team is a total mess,,,its obviously confirmed that Woodson has lost the team,,,,now it udrih and metta basicly clowning on woodson to the press.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Sleep finally came after witnessing that dreadful performance. I am thankful I decided NOT to pay to go to that.

I think what you are seeing with the Knicks and the Nets, are the outcomes when you don't cultivate talent. The top 4 teams in the league, OKC,MIA, INDY, and SAS, all have at least one major cultivated talent.  Both the Nets and Knicks acquired major talent, but near the apex of their career and had to gut their teams to do so.  This means that our windows with these players are small and if you don't put together the team with laser like precision, you are really behind the 8 ball.

For those that want to bring up the Heat, remember that they were the 6th seed the year before Lebron got there.  Good pieces were already in place and Lebron/Bosh amplified the rest.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Nothing surprises me with this sad, once-proud franchise anymore. Woodson should have been fired at the end of last year. I'm baffled that this clueless dolt still has a job. Rotations make no sense and leave our star exhausted at critical times, switch-heavy defense is mismatched with personnel and easily solvable by opponents and we don't even run plays on offense... This is a formula that consistently leads to losses against the worst teams in the league.

I'm concerned that our young players are not going to develop and/or acquire bad habits. I'm also worried about injury risks to Carmelo in what is already a meaningless season.

Any of these reasons is independently a good enough reason to send this guy packing, so what the eff are we doing keeping him around? I thought the loss to the Bucks should've been the final straw but, again, this franchise is so broken that nothing surprises me.

James Cureton
James Cureton

When will these guys learn to call out screens? And if they can't handle that task, just go to a 2-1-2 zone. Woodson needs to be fired and the new coach needs to come in and begin with youth level training with this team.

Chris
Chris

Woodson is not a good coach on either side of the ball, or in communicating with his players. Yet we are stuck with this person for the remainder of the season. There are 6 different ways to defend pick and roll, and we use none of them, or different ones by the two players involved in each case, This is the most dysfunctional team in the league and our FO is so basketball dumb they don`t recognize it. I now watch this fiasco dispassionately so not to have a stroke. My wife is cursing out the TV. I can`t believe what I watch. Any coach would be better then this

Buck50
Buck50

I want Lance Stevenson! Get it done New York.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

when ur pg is raymond felton and your second best player is JR smith your team sux

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

This team's defensive principles are horrible. That points to the coach. I don't care if there are no better options as coach. It's time to fire Mike Woodson. There is nothing that he does well. His offense is horrible, his defense is worse, his rotations are head scratching, his starting lineup is messed up. Time to go.

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@knickster  Two things... 

1) This should have happened a while ago, because if melo leaves for nothing it will be a disaster that could have been avoided.

2) Knicks will probably never get a talent like carmelo ever

Sandro
Sandro

@knickster

That should've been done before deadline, where we could get 2014 draft picks for Melo. But I agree, better late than never.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

It won't be the end of the world...honestly...I'm fine either way. If he comes back he's back...if he leaves..he leaves...this is ridiculous. Although I honestly feel as if he is staying....and don't be surprised if woody is the coach here through Melos time here.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

I'd have to disagree! MELO is a talent that can't be found easily! He is easily a top 10 player in this league! I say top 5! Build around MELO! Period!

zebeto
zebeto

@knickster ...at the very least it would clarrify the question that we all have ..is the team that bad ? OR is it the coach ???


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.......knicks lost alot of games this year by less than 5 points .

zebeto
zebeto

@knickster ...dolans stubborness in retaining woodson will be the main reason in the knicks missing out on the playoffs (i truly believe in that)....... no good can come out of keeping a "lame duck" coach and add to it ...a lack of respect from players for him (minus melo ofcoarse)

Sandro
Sandro

@knickster

Lol this team will miss the playoffs this year.

Next year, Carmelo leaves, Shumpert gets traded, Udrih, Artest, Martin will walk.
Our roster will start with Amare, Bargnani, Chandler, Felton, JR, Tyler, Junior.

That makes back-to-back seasons without sniffing the playoffs.

Good management.

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@zebeto  And dolan does not care. Any other franchise would not aloow or tolerate this... But dolan is the owner boss master of all he surveys.

James Cureton
James Cureton

Chandler was protected on the Dallas squad because they played a zone D. He's a soft shot blocker, not usually making the play face up. We need a new defensive philosophy to take advantage of him or he's useless.

knickster
knickster

I agree with you. The Heat developed Wade.

You can't build a contender on free agency alone. That's a fact.

James Cureton
James Cureton

Very true. I wonder what the results would be if the Knicks took a small market approach for a couple seasons and came back strong. Hardaway is a good piece, and Tyler looks to be an interesting cog in the wheel. Keep Melo and Shump. Only problem is, we lack draft picks to really take full advantage of youth talent coming in through the draft...

So you either have to draft as well as San Antonio does with late 1st and 2nd round picks, or trade our young guys for first rounders, or wait until the ship rights itself.

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

@OLDKNICK  LOL I laugh at the fools that supported this coach and came to his defense every time someone pointed out one of his many flaws.

Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

@OLDKNICK Melo should have gone with the advice that LBJ gave him and gone with a three year contract as LBJ, Bosh, and Wade did so that they could be free agents the summer before the old CBA expired. They knew the lockout was coming, but Melo wanted the money and the fourth year. That's why he was in the position of having to force his way out of Denver before the CBA expired.

ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@Mike Dell Italia  He wont succeed in NYC. He is good but needs to stay in a stable environment like indiana. The knicks are the absolute worst at cultivating talent and policing it.

charlie duck sauce
charlie duck sauce

@Josh Gabriel  

One major reason the defensive principles are poor is the aggressive nature of the Knicks players every time down the court. Just pay close attention to the guards extending themselves beyond the 3-point arc or Tyson clinging to opposing centers around the free throw line; that lends its self to defensive breakdowns and easy high percentage points. Less is more. Shumpert is a quick, strong defensive guard. Why play every possession like it's game 7 of the NBA Finals? The defensive protocol should be to congest the lane. Whether that means the guards dropping below the arc or the forwards relenting space between them and their man, whatever is needed to suffocate the offense, gain proper position especially the bigs for rebounds and blocks and evoke an overall sense of intimidation, which is currently on display by the likes of the Bulls and Pacers. Simplicity is electricity for any team who understands proper defensive principle.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@Josh Gabriel  totally agree there defense is horrible and it starts with felton. Dude gets toasted on the reg.  Where chandler at? i don't get it, this guy doesn't protect the paint at all.  Melo and hardaway are the only ones i keep, everyone can go.

knickster
knickster

@Kenny Kaufman You have it 100% backwards: it's easier to get someone like Melo than it is to assemble a good, well-balanced support cast under the cap. For example: if we keep Carmelo, we will have a very difficult time assembling a support roster by 2015. However, if we trade Melo, Chandler, etc. we can get the support roster and then in 2015 we get our Melo replacement in terms of a star.


I know the concept sounds counter-intuitive, but getting the "rest of the team" FIRST is the right way to build. That's why we failed with the current build: we got Carmelo and then we tried o put a team together around him. It would have been very different if we put him on top of the old team of Gallo, Chandler, etc.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kenny Kaufman Well no one has put the pieces around this talent to win anything. So maybe it's that or it's the talent has some holes preventing this from occurring as well.

In any event, the FO has to decide which one it is and if they feel they can be the ones to right the ship if they feel it is the first and not the latter.

James Cureton
James Cureton

Honestly, I think a serviceable coach gets this team into the playoffs middle of the road. 5-7 seed is actually attainable.

zebeto
zebeto

@Sandro @knickster..only positive in that is that summer 2015 will be a successs (by default).......since knicks will have enough $$$ to prob get 2 max guys . 

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..lets just hope its not injured Goods ,like amarev2


ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK
ENGLBERT_HUMPERDINK

@James Cureton  Drafting can be very important but, and I never hear fans talk about this.... After you draft well or draft poorly what is needed is a team with great structure, great leadership and a great FO. The knicks have nothing like this for decades however the spurs do and that is why they excel with middle of the road players.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@James Cureton  Those teams keep their picks AND draft well regardless of round.  Teams like us simply don't and basically play craps.

Chris
Chris

@OLDKNICK @Chris  Breaker breaker, only problem, might be nobody to talk to any more lol

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@knickster @Kenny Kaufman  

That's how Houston did it...they kept hovering around .500 with young players on cheap contracts, traded for more draft picks, and now have been able to steal two star players without affecting their draft future going forward.

zebeto
zebeto

@Sandro @zebeto@knickster...disagree, still think NY is desirable ......add to it , if 2014 is a massacre as we all think it will be  , knicks will prob have a top 5-7 pick in 2015 Draft.