First Round Pick Hardaway Set to Sign

Ian Begley of ESPN-NY is reporting that the Knicks will be prepared to sign guard Tim Hardaway and the deal could go down as early as this week.

Tommy Dee

I said this earlier and, honestly, I couldn’t be more stoked for Summer League. Hardaway is someone I really want to study when they are in Vegas.



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finnmaccul
finnmaccul

Google Bryan Fogarty, a guy who was touted as the next Bobby Orr.  Drinking destroyed him, literally, he died from it.  Probably would've been a huge star if he played under AL Arbour.  Think of all the borderline players he developed into decent NHL players: Lewis, Fortier, Langevin, Jean Potvin, etc., etc.

dinbigd
dinbigd

Hey leave this topic up one more week & you may break the all time comments total . Seriously guy post a new article already 6 days is ridiculous.Don't think about posting anything on Arbour as you have missed the boat on that one. To my fellow Isles fans is it me or do the Isles have the most amateur coverage ever? Peter Rudgazer(spelling) will not be missed by me that's for sure. Hard to watch/listen to him stumble through some basic sentences. No loss in my book.

j_spikett
j_spikett

the soap opera continues...will he sell? i said a long long time ago when the sale rumors first broke out that he WOULD NOT SELL. i said it then and I'm saying it now that wang is a sadist that wants to torture the fans of this team for not voting in his stupid development . he will continue to keep the second most incompetent GM in professional sports to subdue this team. to keep this team in bottom 5 finishes and to keep the team a foil for physical teams so they can get ice kicked in their face. yes snow the second worse GM to king also in brooklyn will have a permanent pass to maintain the status quo of the islanders perennial bottom five feeder. anyone that is stupid enough to pay money to see this team play in person deserves this owner.

jepliberty
jepliberty

Hey Arnold, get some help if you can't manage more then 1 thread every 6 days.

erika
erika

Al Arbour is as much an Islander legend as the players. Without him, I doubt there are 4 straight cups. Met him a few times..83...89....93. He was always engaging, funny..and totally serious about winning, would not stand for anything less. God, how I wish he could have coached the Isles forever! Whatever he and his family are going through, he should know he has a whole Islander fan base that is extremely grateful and thankful that he was our very own. Al, you will always have our hearts!  

Wc Christopher
Wc Christopher

Does anybody think the Islanders should seriously pursue Kevin Hayes?

mrcisback
mrcisback

 Enough already of this Wang be sued for backing out of the sale of the team. The greatest Islander coach in Islanders history Al Arbour being very sick blows this story out of the water.

tag1
tag1

Here's some good news IMO, Peter Ruttgaizer out as Isles host Shannon Hogan in.

philj
philj

I rather have the devil i know in wang then the devil i dont in barroway. For all we know barroway could be the next spano. At least wang spent money this year. Do i agree with him backing out, no but i rather have other owners than barroway (who is suing for 10 million: aka chump change for the nhl)

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

Al Arbour is reportedly in poor health. I wish he hand his family all possible comfort.

finnmaccul
finnmaccul

Forget all the LI vs. Brooklyn banter, go see a Sound Tiger game in Bridgeport and see our prospects.  The games are usually Fri, Sat nights and Sun afternoons.  The Pt. Jeff ferry has round trip ticket with game ticket for $30 (last year).  I always try to go when they play the Hartford Wolfpack (Rangers AHL team), a lot of Islander and Ranger sweaters on the boat.  Beers and food are cheaper than Coliseum, and no bad seats in bldg.  Sunday is good bc 1:00 ferry, 3:00 game, 6:00 ferry back.    

Mike Scalice
Mike Scalice

can we please post some  new news. this is now up 3 days. there has to be something else going on with the islanders. talk about over kill. 

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

Another nice piece on espn comparing last years Lightening to this seasons Islanders.

Goaltending- how the massive improvement in the Bolts team save percentage lead to climb in the standings, even with the loss of St Louis and the injury to Stamkos.

With Halek in the cage , the Isles could see a large improvement in the standings.

Defense: how the Bolts have more depth, and better defenders. How the Isles Reinhart could further their improvement, if he plays to expectations..

Third ranked prospect pool, now a comparison to the Bolts big climb last season. If only the Franchise could get NBC and video game respect.

Team "Tire Fire" getting some media love. Curse some more Garth...

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@finnmaccul It's a tough argument. The Islanders hit a monumental wall after that 1984 Stanley Cup Final. Their draft picks simply weren't panning out, and they weren't able to find the gems that they found in the 70's.


You're right, Bryan Fogarty was supposed to be a big deal, but so was David Chyzowski.  It's always so tough to say.


If you want your heart to break, watch "Pride Of The Island"


Now, one thing I do wish... Torrey's love for the WHL led to Joe Sakic over Dean Chynoweth. That's a real kick in the nuts. LaFontaine, Sakic, Arbour... it would have been OK! But we had Dean Chynoweth and Terry Simpson. Tragic!

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@j_spikett Look, they made a lot of signings this off-season. OK, fine, I agree, he won't take the blame himself if the team doesn't play well. And OK, fine, he won't blame the GM... he won't blame the coach.... it obviously won't be the players' fault. If things don't go well, he'll just blame the fans. It's obviously our fault. I just don't understand why so many of us refuse to be held accountable. Charles Wang should be firing us! We're lucky to have him!

Don22
Don22

@j_spikett You once again prove that you are clueless.  Isles fans had nothing to do with him  not getting his development.  That was between Wang and TOH and Nassau, not the fans.  Yes - residents did vote down funding for a new NVMC, but that's it.  There was no other development.


Sorry fellow IPB posters, I try to stay as classy as I can - but morons like Spikett and TPJM make it hard when they constantly post the same garbage all the time - and with Spikett, it's usually incorrect.  I've had some epic throwdowns with some of you here and there were times when I bet if we were to meet we would have tried to knock each other out.  But at least we all had some useful, knowledgeable hockey points to contribute to the conversation.  


Trolls will be trolls, and idiots like me will give them life.  

doc942
doc942

Wang NOT selling has nothing to do with him "torturing" fans for whatever reason you believe he has. It simply comes down to whether he gets or doesn't get his asking price.

tpjm
tpjm

@j_spikett Don't worry, nobody goes to NYI games on LI. Wang or no Wang.  Nobody on LI cares. Weeknights are especially embarrassing as suburbanites go to sleep at 8 PM so there's never more than 5K in the Dumpiseum. It's been like that for 30 years. You won't see good crowds especially on weeknights until NYI gets to BROOKLYN!

bammer26
bammer26

@j_spikett - Stay classy, no need to insult. I don't like Wang or his ways, but there are choices as a fan to be made. It's my opinion that one should look beyond Wang for this season, as this is it for the barn. No way to bury many years of fond memories, fans should come out and share, chat, hope, and root. For the Islanders, not Wang, if that makes sense. The Islanders go much further in the channels of the NHL and sports than Wang's pockets, thing is he presently holds the keys to the front door.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@j_spikett i cant wait to go to opening night - if you think im going to, or anyone here should miss out on the last year at the coliseum to deprive the owner of $100 bucks, you're actually crazier than you sound 

jepliberty
jepliberty

@erika 

I second that Erika, or 3rd it, whatever I don't believe in prayer, but I will say one for him, and his family anyway.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@erika First of all, I would have loved to have met him. And I would go as far as saying that he's the reason why those players became legends. When you have Denis Potvin saying that his first time alone on the ice with Al Arbour (after missing the team bus to Philadelphia for his first game in his first year) "[Probably] The best education I ever had." and you have Kelly Hurdey on Hockey Night In Canada saying, "I have a Dad who treated me great, but if I had to tell anybody who my second father was, it would be Al Arbour."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0NUMmHwMgQ


What a guy... who cultivated and prepared great guys. I'm not much for idols, but when it's come to coaching and teaching, Al Arbour is truly one of my idols.

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@mrcisback I'm surprised that hasn't been posted on this page. At least the Kukla's Korner tweet. Al Arbour is a legend, and any news on him is noteworthy.

wally1616
wally1616

@mrcisback I agree totally. This site blows and pales in comparioson to othe other 2 local SNY blogs.

erika
erika

@Steve J. Gonzalez Why? Why is it every time I get used to a broadcaster and start really enjoying them...they are no longer doing Islanders games,  Jiggs, Jaffe, Deb, and now Peter?? I'm even getting used to Butch.....I guess he will be gone soon too!

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Mike Scalice think overkill would be posting the same article, not the lack of new posts....but anyway, it is mid august.  training camp opens up sept 11 - this site should be flooded with new isles news in less than a month! 


not getting my hopes up, but still very curious to see what those 4 teams over the cap are planning on doing.  i'd like to see the isles getting involved for a defenseman with one of those clubs. 

dimaio34
dimaio34

Hey chynowteth was a killer in junior. If he had not got that eye injury from the tocchet fight might have been different. The guy was a massive d man in junior. As far a terry Simpson. Again a winner in junior came out of the west. Islanders scouts basically lived here back then. Simpson had huge shoes to fill. Did fairly well In my opionion

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Jason Zimmermann is that just a gut feeling? feel like these are the types of players that would want to come here - rest of the team all around his age, a legit shot to win a spot on the roster, etc - i just dont see how it makes sense to add a forward without removing anyone

Don22
Don22

@slapshot18_rs @Mike Scalice But they have to at least post something.  It's getting hard to follow some of these "fights" when sifting through 400+ posts!  LOL

rmbbanned
rmbbanned

@Jason Zimmermann humh- ipad acting up. Bringing enlightenment to those dwelling in darkness. With you, a never ending mission. Your very welcome.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Jason Zimmermann come on, the improvements from last year are very obvious. you dont always have to be overly sarcastic ya know 

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@dimaio34 You got me on the eye injury, as I knew little about him as a youngster [I was only 11 years and 8 months and 10ish days at the time of the 1987 Draft, so I didn't even know what a draft was at that time]. I'm not being sarcastic, but Sott Scissons looked like a pretty good junior player, too. Yes, injuries, especially back then, definitely could have had career and life changing impacts on players. Scissons was a walking injury after he was drafted.


Terry Simpson, an nice two seasons, wheels fell off in season 3 [1988-89]. No Denis Potvin = big problems!

tag1
tag1

@Don22   The Al Arbour news should have been posted, it came out a few days ago.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Don22 haha very true - considering it is a BLOG, they can atleast post thoughts, ideas, etc - as blog writers are supposed to do


training camp cant come soon enough

bammer26
bammer26

@slapshot18_rs-First, hope you and yours are OK with the recent rains in Suffolk and in the area. Family and health is #1 in my book.


Now, back to the boughts in here. What improvements Slap? The puck has not dropped yet and, what, you're going to bite on Halak and a couple of over paid ex-Leafs that have not had a 50 point season since 2010? Halak  has the most promise as he is talented, but also (as I have mentioned now a few times) has had the luxury of two very good defensive teams, systems, and coaching during his career


. The last few years he spent in St. Louis under Ken Hitchcock, a very good established defensive minded coach in the league and let's not forget the job the John Davidson did there  talent on both sies of the puck.


The back up goaltender has talent also, but again, defaults to what we have here in Coaching, system, and talent on that side of the blue line. Just looking at things realistically. Remember last year with all the hype on PMB, Regier, and Vanek.



dimaio34
dimaio34

Agreed. As far a scissons goes I feel they saw the next Brent sutter in him. But he really was overrated. Good two way player nor great. But no where near Brent sutter trust me chynowteth was a friggen wrecker in junior. Got the chance to see his entire career. And lived every minute of it. Chyzowski had the shot of the decade back then not sure what happened. Maybe his skating was the issue. Also saw pilon play in Prince Albert. Let me tell ya was he awesone. One of my all time favorite islanders ever!!!!!! Those dats growing up in Regina and seeing all the prospects and meeting them and hanging out with all the islander draft pucks was the time if my life. My favorite one was rod dallman. He only played a cuople of games with the islanders but was he a tough dude kinda like Haley. Took on everyone. Amazing!!!!!

Don22
Don22

@tag1 @Don22 It's odd - it was only a small blurb in Newsday today too.  I wonder if people are shying away from it as a story because it didn't come from the family?   It was almost an afterthought.  


dinbigd
dinbigd

@bammer26 @slapshot18_rs  All somewhat valid points Bammer but let me ask you this is Halak/Johnson better than Poulin,Nilsson & Nabby?Imo its an obvious answer that will result in 10-20pts in the standings.The D is not that bad it was the goaltending that let us down last season & I'm talking about the saves a goalie should make.If Isles GA can be middle of pack I think its enough to get them in playoffs.Their offense is not a problem & some could argue that Garth improved on that as well.Granted the games still have to be played but that's something that I'm actually looking forward to for the 1st time in a long time.Your concerns are valid but I see too much roster/player improvement for it not to result in drastic improvement in the standings.JMO.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

thanks bammer, appreciate that.  


as far as halak, i disagree. yes in the past couple of seasons halak has played for very solid defensive teams, but before that he played for middle of the pack teams...not top tier defensive units. all his teams were in the middle of the standings as far as GA, and he still sported a .910+ save %, a big improvement from our goalies last year. 


also, the fact that there is an obvious competition amongst forwards IS an improvement from last year, whether you like the signings or not.


the defense should have been improved more imo, but with the  defensive prospects that are ready to break though, its a much better situation than last season.


i never once said they're ready for a cup run, just stated that theyre obviously an improved club from last season, which im sure you can agree with.


but yes, id like to see it actually come to fruition because right now its just an improved team on paper. 

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@dimaio34 No joke, until around 1990, I didn't even know what major junior hockey was. Thank you for he info. It's cool to know.

bammer26
bammer26

@dinbigd- 10-20 points in the standings? From your keyboard to Halak's pads...

bammer26
bammer26

@slapshot18_rs - I will respond to each paragraph you replied to, glad all is well.


Halak spent FOUR years in St. Louis in that system. Prior to that, he was a Hab in Montreal under a good system that was lacking scoring, but still maintained a GA under league average.


On the competition in the current forwards line up, are you serious? Is Tavares, KO, and the fourth line going to keep the biscuit out? Terrible minus numbers across the board under back to back AHL coaching and systems. Sorry, just facts.


Agreed totally on Snow upgrading the D AGAIN, or failing miserably. Prospects need time to gell and learn, especially on the D side. Only Reinhart is ready IMO.


On the Cup run, hell no. I didn't mention either, but it's about building, developing, coaching, and draft. Many intangibles go in to a cup run, especially in today's cap scenario. He Kings, Hawks, and Bruins have laid out a successful blueprint that has worked, and will continue to.


Fruition my friend, is a term that has been lacking for many MANY years. I still have hope, but not under this regime. Numbers, intangibles, facts, and obvious internal ownership issues have kicked our ....


Back to back AHL coaching AND systems Slapper, no one seems to talk about this...







dimaio34
dimaio34

I shutting down for the night. Let's get a conversation going tomorrow night on this kind of stuff. Like the team of picks we had and who got traded. Instead of the sale that won't happen. Just yet. Get more productive talks going. I'll be on tomorrow.

dimaio34
dimaio34

Yeah the isles were drafting tons from the whl in those years. Got to meet all the scouts too. It was priceless back then. Lauer pilon diamio chynowteth Kerr Lorenz cheveldayoff before the trade with la mcbean Fitzpatrick. Meet Bert Marshall one night in Regina. The guy was wearing a trench coat had his hair slicked back. He was beyond tough looking but a nice guy. And all these scout had all the time in the world to talk too. Also got to see hrudey play with the Medicine Hat tigers. Like I said amazing days. Bobby bassen Gerald didiuck. Also ther was a guy named Duncan macpherson. That was a first rounder d man from Saskatoon. This guy was a top 2 d man. Slick and a puck mover tough too. But he went sking in Europe. And got caught in a avalanche znd died. Go google the story. This guy was killer

Don22
Don22

@bammer26 @dinbigd  LOL.  Yes, that might be a stretch on the overall improvement.  But I have to say that on paper this is definitely a better team.  Of course,paper doesn't play the games.


Regardless of how good or bad Halak can be or Kulamin and Grabovski can be, it's still something to be hopeful for.  I know we're all afraid to be hopeful because usually our hopes are squashed pretty early, but I'm looking forward to seeing what this team can do.  We'll see I guess.

dinbigd
dinbigd

@bammer26 @dinbigd  I should have been clearer w/ that prediction it also includes Johnson in the 10-20 point improvement.So if Johnson as the back up can provide no letdown in net the point increase will be very obtainable.

since72
since72

@bammer26 Halak and Johnson are a huge upgrade.  Your point about playing with a top team in front of you is valid.  But, our goalies rarely made a "big" save last season.  A few by Nabby, but Poulin and Nilsson were in over their heads.  It would be hard to just infer that Halak / Johnson were simply products of the teams that played in front of them.  Put it this way:  how good would St. Louis have been with last year's Islander goaltending game for game?  They would not have gotten nearly as many points.

Also remember that Amac and all those "giveaways" will not be on the ice.  A full year of de Haan will be an upgrade.  Reinhart will probably make the team and take ice time from Strait.  If (a big if but an if nonetheless) Vis comes back he will also help. 

I understand why we all tend to temper our expectations, but I don't share in your skepticism.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@bammer26 you cant exactly complain about the first line "not keeping the puck out of the net," as their job is to put the puck IN the net, and they will...  with vanek (who everyone thought was a defensive liability, lazy, etc.), they formed a top 3 line in the nhl for a month+, so im not worried about that line at all. if anything, brock brings a better two way game and way better forechecking.  i think the 4th line is pretty solid on paper too, you dont? martin, clutterbuck, cizikas? i see it atleast better than having mcdonald and boulton on the line almost every game. 


halak was on a lot of middle of the pack teams in terms of keeping the puck out of hte net...some slightly above average, some way above average...but who is to say halak was not a big part of that? dont get me wrong, the isles defense is nothing to brag about - but last year we were so accustomed to the first shot of the game going in, soft outside shots going in, very team deflating goals that you felt liek the game was over in the first 10 minutes.  halak should be a HUGE difference in terms of those things. 

Jason Zimmermann
Jason Zimmermann

@dimaio34 Yeah, I became familiar with those players after they became Islanders. I knew about MacPherson after Newsday listed him off as one of the long succession of first round busts in 1995, I believe.


I remember hearing about Scott Scissions on Draft Day 1990 [little did I know] when watching News 12, and the anchor with the thinning red hair (I forget his name) said, "Did the Islanders draft the next Pat LaFontaine? Today, the NHL held it's Entry Draft and the Islanders took Scott Scissions" - Oh, I had such high hopes after hearing that. I didn't know a thing about him.

bammer26
bammer26

@slapshot18_rs- Everyone on the roster was a MINUS for the year, with a couple of exceptions. Is this going to change with two more offensive minded Russians joining in, and no help on the other side? Come on..


On Halak, crossing my fSHgnGoNOSGBgR9gh...LOL. Reality is, we still have crap on the D and no one to make it better behind the pine...

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@bammer26 agree, the defense is still poor, but are the odds really in favor of the islanders blowing 12 (!!!) multi goal leads this year again in the third period? i honestly dont think thats possible to repeat. it very well could, but it shouldnt. 


and as ive stated, im a big fan of grabo. i dont think hes a liability at all.  sure he was overpaid, but he is loaded with talent.  it should definitely add to a more balanced scoring attack.  everyones shut down line will be focused on JTs line...adding some much needed fire power to the other lines should hopefully go a long way. neilsen playing the 3rd line with talented players on his wings is a good thing.


its kind of hard to focus on the +/- from last year.  many people think its one of the worst stats in hockey as it doesnt really give you the full picture.  i mean, our best +/- guy was hickey, and everyone here apparently hates hickey, but loves dehaan at -7? 


i just look at the line up and see a quality goalie, and four fairly balanced lines, with one having the potential to be a great line.  a top pair on defense that is young, but very good, and our future top pairing shut down defenseman ready to break through and hopefully have an impact such as olli motta had as a rookie last year.  its obviously the optimistic perspective, but its not impossible to believe that this team can compete for a playoff spot, even with cappy as coach.