Fisher is going to take his time

Derek Fisher may have played his last game of his long NBA career on Saturday night in Oklahoma City, but before he even talks with Phil Jackson about the Knicks job he wants a timeout.

Fisher, who turns 40 in August, will take a couple of days to think about whether to retire before jumping into the coaching profession. Fisher is at the top of Jackson’s list for Knicks head coach and is also expected to draw interest from the Lakers. (Lawrence). 

Also on Saturday, Warriors coach Steve Kerr — in Oklahoma City as an analyst for TNT — refuted reports that he made a verbal commitment to coach the Knicks to Jackson before backing out. (Lawrence). 




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lobcity1
lobcity1

Fisher will be looking for a SK type deal. I'll pass.

jax13
jax13

His family lives in la n he is gonna get offered the lakers job cause of his relationship with Kobe.

Might have to go to plan c which is?????

brookdon
brookdon

@I_Am_Iman: “@MoNeYBoiiSTaR: @I_Am_Iman what about d-fisher?” I love Fish! Thas my dude. He's a true professional

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Phil on coaching;

The Zen Master lauded Fisher’s understanding of the game and work ethic.

"Derek is one of those lead guards that had a real good concept of the game and liked doing the skill work and the drill work that’s necessary to hold guys to the premises of how to execute," Jackson said. "Watching these playoffs and seeing teams execute against pressure defense brings me right back to what basketball is all about. It’s about being prepared to do these types of things that break down defenses [in pressure situations]. That’s the way I was schooled in coaching and that’s the way I intend to school a coach that comes to work for us." 

"I'd like to have a prior relationship with a coach so that we know that we’ve gone through some kind of issues together. We’ve dealt with some kind of battle situations. We’ve had conflicts, we’ve had disagreements and we know how to work things out," Jackson said. "Those, I think, are part and parcel, I think, to having a relationship with people that can work together that can still disagree and come to terms."

http://www.allmediany.com/news/23407-ny-knicks-coach-watch-phil-jackson-talks-about-coaching-search

knick4life
knick4life

If the Knicks are really going to run the triangle next year guys like Pablo, Felton, Amare and Bargs may be expendable.  It is possible Bargs could play a role similar to Gasol but not sure Jackson or the new coach will have much patience for his pathetic defense. 


I'm really excited to see Shump, Chandler and Hardaway JR in the triangle (Melo too if he stays). Perfect offense for them.

rgm891
rgm891

All I want is a coach that wants to be here. I want a coach that will embrace the city and lead our team to victory.  Treat all the players the same and believe in their abilities to succeed on every given night. 

chuco
chuco

Hope we get fisher EFF Steve Kerr lying arse he know he reneged

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

Watching Tennis and my Yanks is fun but for me there is nothing like watching my Knicks. I cannot wait to watch the first NEW KNICKS game! Of course we won't be totally revamped and I really hope Melo stays but we will have a new coach and a couple of new players and a new attitude to boot.

Dullah Dakidd
Dullah Dakidd

Just read a rumor on an NBA FB post...

Cleveland has fielded a couple of calls about Kyrie Irving...

EVERYONE NOT NAMED CARMELO... EVRERYONE!!!!

They need experienced bigs ... Tyson Chandler and STAT....

MAKE THAT HAPPEN!

#please

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

While much criticism is being leveled against the OKC bench, it's hard to score when you aren't in the game. OKC basically played 6 players, the starters plus Fisher. 4 OKC starters played 43-51 minutes. Perkins and Fisher played a total of 53 minutes. The rest of the bench played 21 minutes and took 4 shots.

It's up to the coach to develop his bench during the course of the season. Pops can put Corey Joseph in to replace Tony Parker because he gave him enough minutes to be ready, even starting 19 games. Besides giving his starters plenty of rest, Pop also got his bench ready to contribute if needed. He played 11 guys last night. 

Two very different approach to managing your roster.

johneco
johneco

@lobcity  Why do you care?

I don't care AT ALL about how much we pay a coach, since it has no impact on our salary cap, just on Dolan's wallet.

jax13
jax13

I want fisher n aim gonna say he is coming to ny.

johneco
johneco

@knick4life  Pablo seems like he would be an excellent triangle guy to me.  Why don't you think so?

Chandler OTOH seems like a poor fit.

brookdon
brookdon

Everytime Chandler has the ball I cringe. I don't think he'd be a good fit in the triangle.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@knick4life 

From what little we saw of Aldrich, it looks like he is a fairly good passer and decision maker. He might also work well in the triangle.

1harris1
1harris1

Lol What was that line about "snakes in the grass" which Iguodala tweeted after word came out that Kerr had taken the Warriors job?

Frankly, I couldn't care less about what Steve Kerr says these days. His personality was never a good fit for the Knicks scene. Best of luck to him with the Warriors.

rgm891
rgm891

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Rondo and Klove. I like it. The Celtics can be back to somewhat contenders sooner then I expected.  I love it. Bring back the Knicks Celtics rivalry. How dumb that may sound.

1harris1
1harris1

Fisher claims though that NY "grew on him during the lockout". He had some interesting things to say overall today, as per what Berman is reporting on Twitter. I guess we'll see what happens. One thing I don't see is the situation with him dragging out like iit did with Kerr.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@knicksgirl35


I love Tennis and I am soccer mad ... 


But give me my Knicks everyday of the week twice on Sunday !

knick4life
knick4life

Knicks have nothing to trade unfortunately. We just had to have Bargs last season.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

And when the Knicks are running the triangle they aren't going to look for a shoot first pg

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Not happening, Cavs immediately would want a high draft pick

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic I said this below... but oh well:


They need a coach. Period. 


- Thabo is a tremendous perimeter defender and a solid 3 pt shooter. No plays are ran to get him clean, open looks, ala Green or Ray Allen. Hell, even Woodson had Timmy shooting 3's off screens.

- Ibaka needs a 2nd presence to provide his help D and rebound (see Perk).

- Both Jackson and Westbrook aren't used as PG's at all. They're scoring guards who don't create much for others.


Brook's' offense is rudimentary and extremely one dimensional. Christ, they don't execute the most basic and efficient of plays, the P&R, where Westbrook would be killer with Ibaka as a roll man. Apply the same with the P&P.

There's little movement off the ball.

The ball only moves through the perimeter.

There's no concerted effort to create proper spacing, and the movement doesn't allow for fluidity.

In the end, Durant or Westbrook bail out this incredibly mediocre scheme.

Their bread and butter is in transition because of their athleticism. Force them to execute in the halfcourt and that's where OKC will not succeed. Not with Brooks around.


This is why I always thought OKC had no chance. They have 2 monster players that don't play within an established system that provides those 2 with offensive variables and more scoring options.

SA is way too savvy, too well coached, and every single one of their players understands their roles within Pop's school of bball, which has given them so many results all this time.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Knicks_Fanatic Seems like all of the bad coaches ignore their bench and expect them to play perfect basketball when they are forced to put them in. Woody for example.

johneco
johneco

@bonobo @johneco  I'd say the Lakers are worse than us personnel wise.  But Fisher lives in LA and played for them, it's probably his dream job.

It's unclear they will even offer it to him.  And if they do, he may prefer to be handheld by Phil.  But I'd guess that if we both offer he'll go there. 

lobcity1
lobcity1

Bc it matters. If hes looking for a SK type deal then he's interested more in the money than being here. I want a coach he wants to coach here and not looking for another payday.

jax13
jax13

I think fisher would be a great choice for us. I hope he comes n I hope you are right.

We get fisher n the culture change will be in full force.....

1harris1
1harris1

Ha! Who do you think lands this job, Big? If Fisher turns Phil down, I really have no idea who would even be considered to be the favorite. Cartwright? Rambis? Dunleavy? Stackhouse? Hoiberg? I still can't see Mark Jackson, although at least that would be one guy with a proven track record, who wouldn't have any hesitations about coming to NY.

I personally wish Phil would just say eff it and name himself as the coach, as that's really the best option available. It doesn't sound though like he's physically up to it.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@illmatix 

I remember hanging out in the Village back in the early 1970's. Phil was there too. First time I went to the Fillmore East a woman was selling LSD to people in line while breastfeeding her baby. Bet that doesn't happen anymore either.

Dullah Dakidd
Dullah Dakidd

So the triangle DOESNT require good outside shooting PGs to be effective? Ok

Dullah Dakidd
Dullah Dakidd

Why? They already have/had them and if they are looking to trade the BEST pick they got what is another one going to do for them?

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@VerySilentJay @Knicks_Fanatic From what I've seen championships are won when teams have "great" coaches. Not "kinda good softies" like Scott Brooks. I mean he never seems to hold Westbrook accountable for his throwing up the ball whenever he feels like it. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@knicksgirl35 @Knicks_Fanatic 

Look at Pops starting Matt Bonner of all people and Spolestra pulling Rashard Lewis out of moth balls to start against the Pacers. In all fairness, both of those coaches have job security and won't be second guessed. Woody needed to win to keep his job. It forced him to make short term decisions that weren't best for the long term. Every game to Woody was a Game 7. That's the pressure on most coaches in the NBA.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@lobcity How about a coach who wants to coach here (for jax) and still get a good payday!


Best of both worlds - right?

johneco
johneco

@lobcity  I admire your purism, but I think it's unrealistic.  We live in a capitalist society, and our team has a history of showing the money.  Coaching in NY is a tough job.  Noone is going to come here for less than they can get somewhere else.


Now I agree, that SK money would be above Fisher's market value.  Probably Fisher will sign for about 3M per IMO.  But I don't care.


Also, I don't think that any of our previous coaches were just here for the payday.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

If they trade him, they will be in full rebuild mode and look for as many draft picks as possible

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knicksgirl35 Brooks was what they needed in their first years to take the next step as individuals.

Now they need the next level in coaching so those 2 can understand that not only should they thrive off each other's talents (which they aren't doing nearly enoguh), but they should place focus on their team and team ball, which will limit their own growth moving forward.


If I'm OKC management, I'm shaggin' @ss to find a new coach.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Knicks_Fanatic @knicksgirl35 Yeah. I remember on one of the Woody shows Alan Hahn asked him which is more important players being healthy or winning games. Woody says and I quote "Well we have to win games to get home court." That displayed where his priorities were. He was more concerned with himself and his job than the welfare of his team.

johneco
johneco

@BiggieTKB @1harris1  I disagree.

To me it's clear that the number one job requirement is ability to work with Phil, which basically means accepting heavy-handed direction.

Mark is someone without a prior relationship, and who has bristled at accepting any direction, even from Jerry West (someone Phil knows well).  I think that's a deal-breaker.

1harris1
1harris1

@BiggieTKB @1harris1  Wow, interesting.  The one thing about Mark I really like is that he would take great pride in being the Knicks coach.  While the money is always important, it wouldn't just be the paycheck with him.  It's a job he truly wants.


I've heard though that Phil and Mark don't like each other, but of course that's based on hearsay.  I did see something recently where Mark was reportedly telling people that he thought he had a decent shot at the job.  I don't see it myself, but I guess time will tell. 

Dullah Dakidd
Dullah Dakidd

They haven't been OUT OF rebuild mode since LBJ left... SMH