Hawks-Knicks tiebreaker scenario

Harris Decker

As we get down to the final few games of the season, the Knicks are trying to latch onto the 8th and final playoff position. While they may be able to catch the Hawks, getting past them is the true key because of the tiebreaker scenarios outlined by the NBA.

The first tiebreaker is the head-to-head record. This year, the Knicks and Hawks split their season series at two games a piece. Next up are the records within the conference. As of this morning, the Knicks are 21-24 against the east while the Hawks are 21-21.

In April, the Knicks will face seven games left against teams from the east and they represent the cream of the east coast crop. The Hawks on the other hand play 9 games in the conference and face a much easier schedule overall. Given the remaining games, it will be impossible for the Knicks to reach the playoffs in a tiebreak scenario. They must pass the Hawks.

In order to make the playoffs, the Knicks need to not only catch the Hawks, but get past them. If they’re unable to do so, the Knicks will find themselves on the outside looking in. It’s put up or shut up time for the 2013-14 Knicks as they try to send Mike Woodson out on a high note and reach the playoffs for the fourth consecutive year.




77 comments
Randy Wilson
Randy Wilson

How exciting would it be if we made the 8th seed and gave a run for their money. After this disastrous season MSG would be rocking in game 3.

kofi
kofi

What happened to Bargnani? I have a hard time believing it's taking him this long to recover. I don't necessarily think we need him, but it tells a lot about his make up as a player.

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Saddest thing for me if we miss the playoffs is not seeing anymore Knick basketball until Summer League 

then another sad moment is watching the NBA Draft and we have no picks

it just sucks watching Teams we despise compete and benefit while we're left out.


Knicks better take no prisoners. THJR tape that ankle up son 

rb3b3
rb3b3

Sorry fellas, I went through every possible scenario for the knicks making the playoffs, and with their schedule and even with teams perhaps resting players, there is no way the knicks will be able to catapult into the 8th spot. Maybe if they beat the nets tonight and the  hawks lose we will be tied, but after tonight the knicks will be the ones on the downward spiral, not the hawks. THIS SUCKS!!!! I cant sop thinking about the game vs the cavs at home, up 17 pts and end up getting routed in the 2nd half! DAM IT!

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

It would be a pleasant surprise to get Kenyon back for this last stretch 

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Knicks have to go at least 6-1 to make playoffs :(

i wanna have faith but they need to act like each game is an elimination game. 

attack opponents and drive the rock 

no timid iso set ups and no 3 point chucking 

every point from tip off counts and every stop counts 

lets pray we'll get some teams who will try to rest their stars like Miami 


frankieboy
frankieboy

This is where true character is tested. Every player wearing a Knick uniform will be accountable these next 7 games. It starts with a W tonight over the Nets. We have seen this team test the best , won some and lost some .


Woody, clock is officially ticking with sound. Coach your best basketball. 


Go Knicks !!!

rgm891
rgm891

Of course the nets can be the ones who put our dreadful season away. Paul pierce bowing at the garden makes me sick thinking about it.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

Well it nice to see how the Nets have given up with KG not playing as Biggie stated!  We should be given a win tomorrow by default.  

bigdishing
bigdishing

I was wondering how the Knicks, who have let us down so much this season, could add a final insult. Here it is: they could get our hopes up and make us watch a bunch of stupid Hawks games only to end up in a "tie." And then win the draft lottery for Denver, if you want to get really dark. 

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

IMO Knicks go 4-3 in these next 7 and Hawks go 5-4 in these last night.


Knicks need the Hawks to lose some easy home games. At least 2 of them.


Knicks need to win at least 2 of those road games we are expected to lose (@Tor, @Mia, @BK)

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Biggie

George only started in 1 All-Star game in his first 4 years, so wouldn't that eliminate him from the Rose exception?

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Biggie Harrison Barnes affair..lasting a little longer.  He's being "Held back".

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Why would they rest? Aren't they still fighting for that 1 seed? And Miami would love to knock us out now! They would much rather see the hawks in the 1st round!

buddhabing
buddhabing

Totally agree with you that they need to go all out and play agressively; without fear of contact. Play every game like it's a game 7. Don't agree about opponents resting players. If they make it i'd like to see them earn it and use mometum to reek havoc in postseason.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Who needs Jackson, you guys have Jacoby Ford now! Haha

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Jesus Blas You folks with the stats! It's about getting your team to win.  You can make an impact altering shots and still have poor stats but you make a huge impact on games. It's a big reason some of ya look at Melo stats and think he's a winner and when you can't explain why, you make excuses. 

I'm not defending Hibbert and he's sure no offensive juggernaut but stop with the stats listing. 


BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn  

x, I see they've finally stopped giving you hard time about that Nyets prediction, lol...


(don't forget Lopez has been out too...now that's snakebit)

zebeto
zebeto

@Jesus Blas ..those 2 along with Melo and a few upgrades in role players ,,,i would def be down !

kofi
kofi

Wasn't sure of the details...If that's the case it's really unfortunate for him.

kofi
kofi

I agree...I just feel like he has been a waste.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie @Jesus BlasWhat your pt?  The Pacers haven't won anything.  Who cares if they are called superstars, we have a few so-called superstars too and they havem't won anything either.  

Whatever the Pacers troubles are, they are virtually in 1st place in the Eastern conference and we are in 9th place.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@xmenreturn  He scores, he draws doubles to make it easier for his teammates to score, rebounds, and he can get shots off late in the clock when offense breaks down for starters

melo7
melo7

@sandro guedes you jerk him and the whole pacer team off what are you talking about

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie He is.  They stated tonight that he practiced with the tream and should be back by the end of this week. Yes I was wrong about him being out 9 games but that was not the point.  You stated the Nets would stop playing hard or well without KG.  They have gone 13-4 without him.

Now go take your Helmet off and go to sleep. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@BigChiefTriangle @xmenreturnLOL  Biggie is always wrong man!  The Nets are playing better especially in their house.  But like I stated a long time ago, the Nets have mortgaged their future for now and they need to make some nice in the playoffs otherwise they are in big trouble in the years to come.   We shall see. 

chudogz1
chudogz1

@illmatix. It's pretty we documented that Grunwald was going for Aldridge! CAA got in Guitar Shimmy's ear, and we all know the rest. Grunwald disagreed, and got canned.... People on here need to get the facts straight.!!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie @xmenreturn Well that's a shame on their part.  i would have kept Granger as insurance for George going down this year but they thought it was best to make that trade.  

I think Bynum is the cancer, They only got him to keep him away from the Heat. Turns out it may not be safe to hold on to the bomb because the radiation might kill ya!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie @xmenreturn@Jesus BlasI don't know or care.  I do know they have a chance to get by the Heat and win one.  They have beaten the Spurs in their house too.  It's whether they can come together and get past the Heat for starters. 

Dude, the Pacers are not in a very bad shape,. They have young talented players in their prime. Whether they can get over the hump, we will see. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@OLDKNICK @xmenreturn Winning rings is not about stats!   The only stats winners care about is winning!   Everyone else uses them to get paid!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes @BigChiefTriangle  

Shoot, forget championships - I've seen "In the NBA, superstars WIN.  Period" just in the last month!  

Talk about bad timing!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@BigChiefTriangle Yep. He started off making neophyte moves but he has found his groove coaching.  He and the veterans kept that team together thru the rough 1st half. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn @BigChiefTriangle  

I agree, silly all-in move for two old-heads in KG and Pierce.  But I was always intrigued with how Kidd would do as a coach...one of the smartest basketball players of his generation, and showed the ability to adapt his game as a spot-up shooting 2-guard as he aged.  


Great mind for the game.  And he improved his teammates' play everywhere he went (NJ, DAL, even yes, NY).

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Jimmy BX @BigChiefTriangle @Kiyan Carter  

"A blind ass stat telling us Dragic defends 2 guards well. Really? So now we can safely put Dragic on superior 2 guards? You mean to tell us that if Dragic was 1 on 1 with Kyrie, Paul, Parker, he would hold them to 30% shooting? "


Nope, that's your extension, not mine.  This is what happens when ignorant kids misinterpret stats without context. The film shows that Goran's individual defense has improved, and the stats reflect that.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter  

"Even when Dragic found himself matched up against shooting guards, it wasn’t nearly as detrimental as feared...[allowing] a subpar 43.8 percent shooting by opponents who consider Dragic an easy victim on the low block...

In more conventional defensive settings, the Slovenian playmaker is even better. He’s holding opponents to just 38.5 percent shooting, including an ice-cold 30.6 percent when they attempt to take Dragic one-on-one in isolation."


http://www.nba.com/suns/news/how-goran-dragic-made-leap

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Jesus Blas  

Oof, Afflalo would be such a great role player to put beside Carmelo.  A solid 2-way player (whose shooting has been lights out this season).

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie  

We know how average and below-average NBA PG's have looked against Ray...can hardly be confident about that matchup.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter  

Because you already called Gee out on that....I don't like adding to the noise when it's already been said

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Kiyan Carter  

Who thinks that Lin would make us a contender? You are building up strawman arguments. 

Lin is a decent combo guard. He is better than Felton, so we might have a few more wins.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@illmatix @Kiyan Carter 

So Lin is no Melo or Jordan and he has been "exposed" as a regular NBA player. That's pretty good for a guy who couldn't get a scholarship and was undrafted.

Say what you want but when Ray Felton is our starting PG and probably headed to jail, letting Lin walk for nothing is looking like a Dolan bad move.