How Andrea Bargnani is hurting the Knicks

Sam Spiegelman

It’s been a mixed bags of results for the New York Knicks’ big offseason pickup. Andrea Bargnani has had his fair share of both ups and downs, but according to one study by Stats LLC., his willingness to chock up 3s has hurt the Knicks defensively.

Here’s the bottom line: Bargnani attempts a lot of 3-pointers, 81 to be exact. That ranks third on the team behind Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith.

Unlike Anthony and Smith, who shoot 35 and 34 percent from downtown, respectively, Barngani’s shooting percentage is just below 30 percent. And his inconsistency from the perimeter has allowed opposing team’s to capitalize.

Stats LLC. has discovered that Knicks’ opponents have grabbed 58 rebounds on Bargnani’s misses — 35 from outside the paint — have translated to a basket on the other end of the court 60.3 percent of the time. That percentage trails only Detroit Pistons guard Brandon Jennings and Brooklyn Nets guard Joe Johnson.

In the past five seasons, opponents have scored following his missed jumpers at least 50 percent of the time, the study revealed. The league as a whole averages scores 45.8 percent of the time following a miss. Only Bargnani has averaged a percentage greater than that.

Not only has Bargnani’s missed translated to opposing team’s points, but the Knicks have struggled on their own fast breaks with Bargnani on the floor.

According to Synergy Sports, the Knicks have allowed 15.8 fast-break points per 100 players, which is 11 points more compared to when he’s on the bench. According to SportVU player-tracking technology, the Italian is the sixth-slowest player in the NBA.

Hats off to Yahoo! Sports for featuring this clip, which pretty much speaks for itself.

133 comments
Chris
Chris

So tell him to limit the 3s and set up for 2s.Where  he shoots from, and how many he takes should come from the coach. Another reason to get rid of the coach, not the player

tommy2b
tommy2b

Everyone in Canada has known this for 4 years yet we gave up 3 picks for him.

1strdpicks
1strdpicks

This piece is a direct bite from Chris Herrings piece

frankieboy
frankieboy

Time to get a new coach to utilize these players to the best of their potential. 


Bargs can be effective . Need a new voice 


kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Free agent signing? It was a trade!

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

im sick of these sabermetrics or whatever u call it, i go by the eye test and straight stats, bargani is a good player and is not even close to the problem, wouldnt say he chucks up 3s, he takes them when hes open bc he can hit them.  He does a lot of head fakes and gets closer to the basket, so i wouldnt say hes lookin to bomb 3s, he takes the ones that are open and since most bigs dont want to go out and guard him he's gunna  be open and take a bunch.  He's averaging 3 a game thats not crazy and he is a career 35 shooter from 3, so why not when ur open you take them.

fasheezee
fasheezee

We cannot let up because we win a couple of games. If you just want to be entertained a little bit to get away from your crappy day then fine--let up on this bum coach, JR's immaturity, Shump playing whenever he feels like it,  and all of the looming incompetence. But if you are a TRUE FAN and want to see this team get a chip, you cannot get complacent and say "OK, well atleast we won some games and we look kinda good somewhat". That's BS! I've been a fan for too long to settle for this shizz because I feel F-ing powerless. We fans have power and we owe it to our long-suffering selves to use it to help this team. It's called social media and not spending money and paying Woody's salary!

bluprint13
bluprint13

I think your article should mention coaching. Why is Bargs shooting 3's to begin with.

lobcity
lobcity

Bargnani is only good for the 1st & 2nd qtr. He needs to sit late in games. He shoots bricks in the second halves and play like garbage.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

Bargnani is the least of our problems right now.  He is getting way too much grief for his brain fart last night.  I'm just glad we gutted out the win cause I feel like the entire Knick Nation would have turned on him.  The Bargnani trade was controversial and yes, we are not as good this year as last and yes, he is not a great help defender.  But I feel like Bargs has been a great addition to this team.  I think his one on one man defense is quiet good.  And I think because Tyson went down he's stepped up defensively and rebounding wise.  I like him as a back up Center to Tyson.  


I know everyone is down on this team but a road win when you are missing key guys is always huge.  Gutting out a victory in double OT with Tyson back for the first time is huge for us.  Every win streak starts with one game.  We aren't world beaters at all but if you go back to the Brooklyn game we are actually 5-4 the last 9 games.  I feel like we bottomed out a few weeks back and the team is overall playing much better.  Its not really being talked about cause we lost so many in a row before The Brookln game.  And we got blown out by Boston, had the end of the Wizards game fiasco and Bargnani's mistake last night, but they are playing better.  Tyson coming back s huge for us.  We just need Pablo and Felton back (yes, we need a HEALTHY Felton...he's been hurt all year).  Get them back and hopefully Kmart and Amare and I think these struggles COULD (emphasis on could) make us stronger in the long run.  The worst is behind us.  Teams more mental mistakes when they are struggling cause they are overthinking things (including the coach).  We lost a lot of bball IQ when Kidd and the other veterans left, but stuff like the end of the Wizards game and Bargnani's mistake last night...these are things that happen when a team is pressing and is trying to get themselves out of a slump and still has doubts.  But every W gives us more confidence.  So yes last night was ugly, yes the Bucks suck...but I will take an ugly double OT win on the road against The Bucks every single time its offered to me.  That plane ride back to NYC last night was probably fun.  I'm sure they all gave Bargnani a hard time and were happy to have Chandler back.  Ugly wins like that on the road when the team's roster is depleted can turn around a season.  They can help a team believe in itself.  Lets not pile on our team when they are down.  They have been playing better.   

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

OT:


KOBE rushed it back...he has a fracture in his left knee...over compensating from the let Achilles tear...unfortunate.  Out 6 weeks.

akamarb
akamarb

PREDICTION


We will win the Atlantic


Once healthy we will give Miami or Pacers are run for their money


If Tyson is healthy - Bargns and JR are playing good - we can get to the finals...

CiceAsNice
CiceAsNice

He is a below avg 3pt shooter and is horrible going to the hoop!  Well, he gets to the hoop, but is very weak going up!  His best game is the 15 footer, at the elbow or baseline. I love his touch there.  Me thinks a frontcourt of Chandler, Melo and him will do some damage (I pray).

jimmybx
jimmybx

This article is an example of why nerds shouldn't be allowed to spew nonsense about sports. How IDIOTIC is this missed 3 point stat? Imagine determining where the ball bounces off a missed shot? lol.


This is as worthless a statistic as any I've ever seen for basketball.  On top of that, Bargnani was a trade..lol

tommy2b
tommy2b

@1strdpicks except he got a lot of the key details wrong... Bargs not a free agent acquisition, the last para is wrong etc.

frankieboy
frankieboy

and fast so their trade value goes up .......

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Mike Dell ItaliaConversly I read somewhere this summer, that Bargnani is very efficient in P&P, mid range jump shooting in general and on ocassions in the post. Do I ever see him placed in position to take shots where he is more efficient at taking them? Nope! Who do I blame for that? Blockhead Woodson and his lame one dimensional kindergarten offense.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@Kojo Brown Dude, you're a NOBODY in the grand scheme of things. You're imminently replaceable via the MILLIONS of Knicks fans across the country.


#KnowYourPlace

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Kojo BrownWoody's training wheels came off last year after all the vets who coached the team left town. Now he can hardly stay on the coaching bike without stumbling or bumbling. What a blockhead!

solar_lion
solar_lion

@bluprint13Exactly! He's better in certain situations. Is he ever placed in this situations where he's more efficient? Nope.

lindro88
lindro88

Are you joking? Playing better? They beat the worst team in the league. That was nba basketball at its lowest level. Being a fan doesn't mean pretending the team isn't a mess. This is a bad roster with a bad coach. If you feel better talking yourself into all the reasons they are going to turn it around, go ahead. Jr took 20+ 3's the other night. That is crazy. It would be crazy for Curry to take that many 3s and he's 100 times the shooter JR is.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Blaze NYK  The is my repost from the Grade article: Reality must set in. That Bucks win was pathetic. I turned back and forth between games and the Heat/Pacers play "Well Coached" ball. Disciplined spacing, passing, catching --- moving without the ball. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DUDE! We won't have it until the Bald One is out. Knicks shouldn't even be graded until he's gone because they are on their own.


Not part of the repost: Blaze, reality is a beautiful thing if we choose to deal with it.

akamarb
akamarb

eff the lakers - i am glad they are suffering...,kobe is done btw....

solar_lion
solar_lion

@C Tee Seems to me the way the team offense flows, he always ends up outside the arc and not taking those jumpers within the arc that he's more efficient at making. He's good in the P&P and I hardly see that if ever run while he's with the Knicks.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@jimmybxAgreed. Stat's don't explain context. Context is a clueless coach places a solid mid-range and P&P jump shooting player always out of position and the end result, three point Js. Need a coach who can get more out of the players on the roster. Woody is not that coach. He's cookie cutter predictable.

jimmybx
jimmybx

@solar_lion @Mike Dell Italia Another dopey kid who doesn't have a clue about basketball. 


Let the Knicks have a healthy Felton and watch him make things work with Bargnani.

Chris
Chris

@jimmybx @Kojo Brown So if that is true about KB, that must make you a nano particle in the grand scheme, because KB speaks the truth

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 @BiggieSmalls @Blaze NYK  Lindro is the kind of "jump ship rat" Knick fan that permeates this LOSING image we carry around. At the first sign of trouble, these MF'ers are jumping ship looking to fire the coach and trade the entire team. A dude with no concept of how basketball is supposed to be played. He waits for an article that expressed what he THINKS is right and jumps on it. Talk about having NO FAITH in his team. This is the same rat who will be jumping back onto the ship as soon as the Knicks rip off 15 of 20 or 20 of 25 this season. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Kojo Brown@Blaze NYKDon't disagree with you or Blaze. My take is the Knicks are being held back by a certain Mr. Potato Head who has nary a clue. You're right Kojo, I see so much better coaching, player movement off the ball, teamwork- i.e., screening and no just simple P&R, etc. from other teams.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Kojo Brown@Blaze NYK Also, I'm not really sure what "dealing with reality" means for us.  Trading away our players?  Trading Melo?  Blowing the team up?  What purpose does any of that really serve?  I mean, if Melo gives clear indication that he does not want to resign then we have to trade him, but I just don't see that happening.  And making a major trade where we give up Shump or Hardaway or a first round pick for a slight upgrade at the PG spot won't really make that much of a difference.  As painful as this season has been, I think its worse dealing with a bunch of angsty Knicks fans who complain every day about how awful we are, how awful the coach is, how awful melo is, dolan is, etc.  I've engaged in that kind of talk too, so I'm not pointing fingers.  But I think if we take a step back and all relax we should realize that things are not that bad. 


The East is bad.  No reason we still can't be the number 3 seed.  Get me into the second round against The Heat or Pacers with a healthy team and anything can happen!  Melo will most likely want to resign with us. We will have a boatload of cap space when Tyson, Amare and Bargs come off the books.  This off season and next year is the time to make moves.  Unless something obvious presents itself, I think the smartest thing for us to do is to stand pat and let this team sort things out.  Even if we want to make a coaching change, its probably best to do that after the season.  No real NBA coach would want to take over mid season.  Woodson has the second highest winning percentage of any Knick coach in the history of the franchise!  We had a lot of new players, lost a lot of veteran leadership and got hit with a huge injury (Chandler) to start the season.  The worst is behind us. 

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Kojo Brown@Blaze NYK Sports isn't real.  Its all a game.  But if you go back in time to 1999, that year is a great example of how its way too early to say this team is done.  That year the team struggle all season and snuck into the playoffs as the 8th seed with a 500 record.  But the struggles their endured early on made them tougher and by the end of the regular season they were playing much better than their record suggested.  They weren't a 500 team even though that was their record.  Then what happened?  Well, the went on to become the only 8th seed to reach the NBA Finals ever. 


The point is that its a very easy and safe choice to not believe in this team right now.  Losing 9 in a row, getting blown out at home a few times.  The bad decision making at the end of the Wizards game, JR not being able to hit a single shot.  Felton playing like garbage.  But just think about this.


1.  Felton has been hurt all season with the hamstring.  He is not a great point guard but we have all seen him play much better than this.  He is getting rest and will hopefully be better when he returns.


2.  Chandler went down in the  5th game of the season!  He is our starting center, a leader in the locker room and our best defensive player.  Losing him destroyed us.


3.  JR has shown signs of life the last two games.  He plays well it makes us a lot better.


4.  STAT had a lot of rust to shake off but is showing he can still be a valuable contributor off the bench.


The team has been hit with a lot of injuries.  I live in reality.  I'm not saying this team is winning a championship.  All I'm saying is that I believe the worst is behind us and this team could start getting it together.  We are not as bad as our record and the piling on I think at this point is a not really warranted.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@akamarb  Yeah, I really can't imagine Melo would go to The Lakers thinking he can win a ring with Kobe and him eating up 70 percent of their cap space.  I mean, he's all ready teamed up with an injured Amare and that has wasted the last few years of his career.  Why would he go to The Lakers to play with a much older Kobe who is way past his prime and just as likely as STAT to keep getting injured and who is going to make it impossible for them to sign good role players? 


I think if Melo goes anywhere besides staying with The Knicks my bet would be The Clippers. 


jimmybx
jimmybx

@solar_lion @jimmybx Anyone who has played ball knows its all about floor balance. You try NOT to take a long range three if you have three players below the foul, especially if one of remaining two is a big. That might be the only reason for this type of stat, but it makes no references to fastbreak points off a long rebound in less than 10 seconds. Tell me they score "X" % after a long rebound out to the foul line and we can talk something viable. 



Chris
Chris

@lindro88 What you been smoking Bargs is much better then Gallo

jimmybx
jimmybx

@lindro88 Gallo is a SF. Bargnani can actually hold his own against guys his size. Ghoulinari never could. Where Ghoulinari is the better shooter from 3, Barns has a better game inside the 3. And Barns can defend better than most thought he could. Ghoulinari was never thought of as Dennis Rodman. 

lindro88
lindro88

Galo is twice the player Bargs is.

Chris
Chris

@jimmybx Jimmy I been a fan of the team since 1950, I never jumped teams, but that has nothing to do with being stuck with incompetent ownership, management and coaching. As the longest rooting fan on this site we need a new coach IMO, this guy is stupid and stubborn, and really can`t articulate on an adult level. I have been coaching for 50 years, and have attended a great number of clinics. I have never heard any coach as unknowledable as this guy, sans maybe the previous idiot Dan Phony

Chris
Chris

@BiggieSmalls @Blaze NYK @Kojo Brown No simpleton, you can`t even read. Change would be because of incompetence, not for change itself. However if you actually studied anything, that change simply for the sake of it  can spring the Hawthorne effect, which this team could use. I would go through the litany of reasons this coach is a fraud, but not for you, cause you can`t read anyhow

lindro88
lindro88

How are those "winnable" games going. Lol.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@BiggieSmalls@Blaze NYK@Kojo BrownI wouldn't can Blockhead midseason. But Woodson shouldn't be coaching the Knicks next season. Also blowing the team up makes no sense. Puts organization in a white flag 2010 reboot. If you think about it. You'll catch my drift.

Chris
Chris

@Blaze NYK @Kojo Brown Lets go back to training camp, where according to Hahn who was there every day, the team did very little training. Guys were allowed to come in out of shape and over weight. Check out the Heats regimen and their fines for such infractions. It is why we have the injuries and the putrid record, and who is that on? Bargs, nope the coach

jimmybx
jimmybx

@Blaze NYK @Kojo Brown Brilliantly said. Wish all Knick fans thought like this. Blogs are filled with too many dopey people, frustrated with their own life. They log on to COMPLAIN, BYTCH AND MOAN. The worst thing about it is they talk like they're coaches. As if they're the "experts" because they have an internet connection, an email address, and an account on some blog with a distorted from reality name. 


The Knicks are as good as any team in the league when they're healthy. Their health is at question. I question their 3 point shooting ability, BUT they actually have a sound in-between offensive game this season. The problem has been the health of our guards. JR, Shump and Felton won't be diminished all season. We will get better as the season goes on. 


I am not concerned one bit with our terrible start. 


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