How much credibility would Phil Jackson bring?

Harris Decker

Let’s pretend that Phil Jackson decides that he’d like to join the Knicks front office over the weekend. James Dolan agrees to give up control and Steve Mills steps aside. What does the outlook for the Knicks look like with Jackson in control?

Despite the horrible season, the addition of a guy like Jackson gives the Knicks instant credibility in everything they do. The team would still be a superstar surrounded by mediocrity, but Jackson’s steady hand could settle the animosity that has taken over Madison Square Garden of late.

Would the rally be canceled? Probably not. Would the Knicks make the playoffs? Maybe.

But this is more about the future. Jackson is nothing more than a winner. He knows how to do it better than almost anyone in the history of the NBA and his presence likely does a few things.

First, it all but ensures that Carmelo Anthony remains with the Knicks. Rest assured if Jackson is coming on board, he’s already had a conversation with Anthony. At 68, Jackson isn’t going to come to a team that is starting a massive rebuild without a superstar. Anthony would stick around if Jackson came to town.

The second thing it does is make the Knicks an even larger destination. While playing with Anthony in the greatest city in the world is appealing to many, if you get a call from Phil Jackson, you’re going to be more than interested in whatever he’s calling about. Jackson can do things that Mills — or Dolan, for that matter — can’t, simply based on the respect that all three executives have earned over the years.

Finally, Jackson coming to New York makes the Knicks less of a joke. Sure they were supposed to win 40+ games and instead will likely miss the playoffs, but once again this is about the future. Heading into next season with Anthony and likely a new coach in place, Jackson’s calming influence will give credence to the Knicks goals. If they want to win, Dolan should give up complete control to Jackson and then worry about running Cablevision.




246 comments
Pete Mavrikk
Pete Mavrikk

I think if we can land PJ in the FO that will make us a real head coach away from players not being able to look over their own heads for their own shortcomings on the court. Right now they can blame Woodson, Dolan, Mills, and sleep at night. Not with Phil at the helms. Accountability immediately switches to the players. Real leadership roles will emerge, and players will be expected to prepare, practice, and perform at the highest level. Head coaches I think Phil could land: JVG, Mark Jackson, Kerr, Thibs if we can pry him away.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

The bottom line is that this maybe Phil's last good shot at a FO job given his age.  While he could go to the Pistons or some other nondescript franchise, I think the chance to bring a marquee franchise back from the dead may be to hard to pass up.

On the other hand, he might not want the stress and microscope that comes with it due to the muckraking NY media.  He may choose a softer media landing spot ala Pat the Rat who went to the easiest media market in the world, Miami.

In addition, the Knicks are more of a challenge than what Rile had in Miami and Phil could further cement his legacy if he wins here.  Egotistical people like this do like challenges especially when they have accomplished so much in life already.

ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

Jackson will change the culture of the Knicks over night and bring back the glory days.There is not a better move both can make it's a perfect fit and it's a long time coming to get Cyde roomate back in our house.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

I had a dream last night that the knicks beat the Heats in the first round, lol yea i know it was a dream i was pissed when i woke up to realize it was a dream lol

CiceAsNice
CiceAsNice

What is funny, all the NY radio pundits say it makes no sense, too old, yada yada.  But when Riley did it in Miami, they talked about how he attracted LeBron and bosh by just putting his five rings on the table.  ???  Mr. Jackson has more than double that! 


It will all come full circle and bring some Knick pride back to organization, Mr. Frazier even said he might contemplate coaching or similar if Jackson came back.  Lets do it!

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

Any chance this potential Phil signing is a money grab? Or like a lot of free agents use the knicks as PR to get what they really want? In this case Jax wants LA but Buss Jr hates Phil and Phil is using us to pressure them into resigning him! Also hearing if Jax is hired he'll sign Steve Kerr as a head coach. What's your thoughts on that? As a long time suffering Knick fan I should be happy but all of this seems like were gonna get shafted!(hope not) I wish Dolan would let Allan Houston bring in a crew of former knick players as front office/coaches kiss & make up with JVG, trade JR/THJr ,Felton, cash, & fillers for Rondo.(even if it means going over the cap, not our money) also if that's not available trade THJr /Murry for Gerald green of the suns or JR straight up(doubt they do that)! They are a lot of ways to right the ship but this Phil thing seems like a money grab. Whats your thoughts "KNICK KNATION" ???

buddhabing
buddhabing

Last time Knicks tried to make a big splash they went after Magic Johnson for the GM post and he turned them down. Not only did he turn them down he suggested they consider Isaiah Thomas. The Knicks did and you know the rest. Nothing ever goes right for this organization as long as Dolan is calling the shots.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Its funny how I stated this last week and it came to fruition. Dolan's only chance of keeping the city sane is to bring in Phil Jack and give him the keys. All the yrs of Dolan playin live 2K with the roster and office is over lol

tjhassan3
tjhassan3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2004.html


Visit this site, and take a good look at the roster's that Melo has played with throughout his career. Not trying to make any excuses, just pointing out fact's. Is J.R Smith the best player Melo has ever played with? You can make a case for A.I, but he was just a shell of himself in Denver, IMO. Maybe Kenyon? Chauncey? A rookie Ty Lawson?


You put Lebron or KD on any of those nugget squad's in place of Melo, and I don't beleive they get any further than Melo did (Conference finals). No way those roster's are getting past the spurs or lakers. 


Give Melo a squad with a LEGIT second "star" player, and the sky is the limit IMO. Here's to Phil making that happen. 

dagawd
dagawd

Lets rewind


Who signed with Denver when he was there or did they have Cap problems?

dagawd
dagawd

U know what


I hope the MelO stays with the Knicks


I want to see how much respect he has around the league, i want to see who signs with the knicks

dagawd
dagawd

If things do go the Knicks way Phil Jax will not be taking the Job


Hope and pray things don't go the Knicks way and goes the way of Betterment 

newyorker9
newyorker9

well this week sure will be interesting, let's see what happens. 

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

Tomorrow will be a day filled with immense happiness, or continuous disappointment, as Jackson will be giving us his decision. I TRULYYYY hope he takes the job, but I have a gut feeling he simply won't. ):


Anyone want to attempt to convince me otherwise?

dagawd
dagawd

Anyone with a brain knows the best thing that could happen to the knicks is a sign N trade for melO


30 y/o getting max money that's not a real superstar/Leader


Hell No

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@orlando_knickfan The Triangle requires smart decision making. It's not a rigid offense like some. Leadership and high b-ball Iq hasn't been our thing with this squad. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@orlando_knickfan If you know anything about Zen real Zen, it is the letting go of the ego, the self, I. But that may be good thing since it's like having a teflon vest. Things don't stick when there's no ego to stick it to.

tjhassan3
tjhassan3

@dagawd  It's Denver, does anyone really want to play in Denver? 


Oh and A.I tried, but he was on a downward spiral at that point. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Seth Plaut  

My take is that CAA leaked out the Melo to the Bulls rumor to put pressure on Dolan to make a move. Melo wants NY and to play for a winner. Dolan then floats the Phil Jackson turned down Mills for a coaching gig and we are now waiting his answer on an unspecified  front office job. That counters the bad PR on Melo leaving and shows he trying to improve the franchise.

rgm891
rgm891

Only time will tell man. We will see what tommorow brings

Sandro
Sandro

@carl hill

Watching Miami fighting Chicago and Portland fighting Houston makes me realize how far away from being a contender the Knicks are.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@xmenreturn No question about that, but it's doable with this team for next year until we can clean house in 2015

Pete Mavrikk
Pete Mavrikk

There Are no words to describe the win it would be for the Knicks to land Phil Jackson and have home lure Steve Kerr to a front office position for the Knicks. I think the only way he'll come (at least this year) is to coach. He'll demand instant respect (5 rings), and at least have an offensive gameplan. (You do realize that bringing Jackson and Kerr to the FO is bringing in 16 rings in 1 summer!!!)

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@solar_lion @orlando_knickfan  As a big believer and reader of eastern philosophy, I get that. However, Phil's track record when it comes to putting himself in certain situations defy this a bit to me.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@carl hill  He quit because Dolan took over and he saw the writing on the wall and knew what direction the franchise was about to head in.  I guess you believe anyone who quits anything for any reason is a quitter?  Dumb.

Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

@carl hill The corporate world generally allows people to resign rather than be fired. Given the paranoid secrecy of the MSG FO, we really have no idea of what transpired.

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

@carl hill Damn that word "QUITTER" is hard to shake! I guess you don't believe in 2nd chances

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic  

Do you honestly think Dolan is some devious PR mastermind?  I just don't see it...yes he's a name-chaser that likes to stay in the presses, but  "bumbling and desperate" seems a more fitting description than PR maestro...


I don't think Dolan purposefully "floats rumors" JUST for the sake of press.  I think he craves validation, as someone who has never built anything successful on his own.  My take is that he wants the Knicks to be great, but more importantly wants the credit for building them - the paradox being that no Knicks team will be great if Dolan has a hand in it.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@rgm891  I just can't imagine Dolan as dumb as hey may be, letting Jackson slip after this comes out publicly. It's like putting gas on a fire, and this fire IS HUGE already. If we don't land Jackson, I, and other Knicks fans are going to be just 100X more irate than we already are.

dagawd
dagawd

MelO isn't no Lebron

Sandro
Sandro

@zdiddy4nyk @dagawd

LeBron, the best player in the game?

I'm pretty sure that counts for something when negotiating his next contract.

dagawd
dagawd

MelO isn't close to what kobe was or jordan and kobe at his age is still a better player than MelO

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@thatsagoodpoint @xmenreturn@orlando_knickfan Despite all the reports that PHIL wants to keep Melo, Xmenreturn says Phil doesn't want him LOL...he cant accept the fact that he's wrong about Melo.  SMh.  Cant accept the fact, that Phil Jakcson arguably the greatest basketball mind of our time, wants to keep Melo..yet Xmen wants to get rid of him, I guess he knows more thsn Phil.


Now his narrative is..Phil wants Melo to stay so he can trade him...smh..cant make it up.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@thatsagoodpoint. That's who I was thinking too. Not saying I agree or disagree

solar_lion
solar_lion

@orlando_knickfan Your right. But the practical West and the Practical Far East-- Buddhism started in India and developed an esoteric branch in South Asia -- apply Chan/Zen to day to day functions. Phil likely applies it in a practical manner and is not some sorta mystic but rather a very practical and effective manner to get things done with more efficiency than those who are slaves to their egos or the other minds that sess pool of NY media criticsm can foster. I think Phil will play the NY Media like fools.

rgm891
rgm891

Dolan giving up any sort of bball control is an absolute miracle man. How we are hearing these rumors alone feels like Im dreaming. I wonder if there other aspects of the job being considered or little details being discussed.

Amar'e was right in 2010. It's a start of a new era. But the knicks if Phil joins I believe have made 3 million steps forwards even though we have taken 2 million steps backwards. Big step forward if this gets done. Who know if dolan even considers phil if we were having a better season? If that was the case woodson did one thing right!!!

Lets begin the PJ era!!!!

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@rgm891  I concur, my brain says he takes the job, its just my gut really, and that's probably from being a Knicks fan for the past ten year or so. Then again though, this is still James Dolan and logic 99% of the time does not apply to him.


SAVE US PHIL!

rgm891
rgm891

100 correct. That protest will be ridiculous if we find out otherwise. I dont want to get my hopes up but we been hearing from many sources it's close. Unless something insane happens I dont see how he doesnt accept the job. The only news we pretty much hear all season. I just cant see how dolan would put this info out just to break our hearts like u stated man.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Sandro @StraightShot@carl hillDude, I respect you. Like your trade proposals and respect that you stand by your take on our team. But, the Knicks lametrust has never given birth to a fully functioning baby capable of steps. It's always been some sorta force abortion mutant thing. Perhaps with real good Bball minds and Dolan staying away from the franchise it gives birth to a healthy baby contender.

Sandro
Sandro

@StraightShot @Sandro@carl hill

LOL we're taking baby steps since 2000. We should be able to run already.

Yet, after so many baby steps, here we are on the verge of not even making the playoffs!

chudogz1
chudogz1

@dagawd. Oh please... They used to say the same exact thing about Pierce.... Until KG n Ray showed up n wala.....

dagawd
dagawd

You're right about High Flyers but MelO doesn't have the mental of a champion and never will

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Sandro @carl hill@Kiyan CarterI think the culture of the respective Knicks and Thunder team also has alot to do with that. Also the competency of the Head coach as well. Context has alot to do with it.

Sandro
Sandro

@carl hill @Sandro@Kiyan Carter

Carmelo's on "I'll probably miss the playoffs."
Durant's on "I'll probably win MVP."

That's a good thing for you to think about, Mr. Rebel.


Sandro
Sandro

@carl hill @Sandro@Kiyan Carter

Only some Knicks fans and Carmelo's family think he's superior to Durant. Everyone else around the league acknowledges the obvious.

But if you disagree, I respect that.


solar_lion
solar_lion

@dagawd You lost all credibility with your last line. Other two. No contentions.