How valuable is previous experience with Phil Jackson’s triangle offense?

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

With Steve Kerr committing to the Warriors, Phil Jackson’s continued search for the Knicks’ next head coach has been blasted right open.

The likes of Derek Fisher, Tyronn Lue and Luke Walton — all former Lakers under Jackson — are among the leading candidates.

There’s no doubt Jackson wants to see his Knicks run the triangle offense next season. The type of familiarity and past experience each of the aforementioned candidates have in such a system is undeniably a plus.

Still, there would also appear to be other benefits to bringing one of them aboard as well.

Phil Jackson, Derek FisherFisher, Lue and Walton are each under 40 years old. Perhaps such “youth” would assist each respective candidate in relating to the players that much more.

What’s more, such inexperience (at least as a head coach in these cases — Fisher, of course, is still currently competing in the NBA playoffs) could prove to be a benefit when it comes to establishing a working relationship with Jackson. The aforementioned options are not only likely to be more familiar with the triangle, but potentially more open-minded to trying new things and/or taking further direction from Jackson along the way.

A first-year head coach (or someone similar) is likely to bask in the opportunity to learn. Who better to learn or accept proper guidance from, than an eleven-time NBA coaching champion like Jackson?

Jackson has maintained he has no interest in coaching himself, largely in part due to the burden traveling presents. That said, perhaps the Knicks’ President can utilize a young coach in such a way that ensures the latter is a true extension of his vision for success on the hardwood. Such a potential hire may even be more flexible when it comes to allowing Jackson to mentor and/or preach the nuances of the triangle during practices when the team is in the Big Apple.

As the Knicks continue to explore their options, Jackson reportedly met with former Clippers’ coach Mike Dunleavy (Newsday, May 22) recently. Dunleavy claims to be familiar with the triangle after coaching against Jackson over the years, and even playing in a Rockets’ offense himself that was influenced by Tex Winter.

But if hiring a veteran coach were truly the goal, wouldn’t a Jackson confidant like Kurt Rambis or Bill Cartwright already have been granted the opportunity? If that were the case, there’s a good chance they would have been favored over Kerr early on instead.

A young coach is easier to mold than one set in his own ways.

Previous experience is clearly not a necessary pre-requisite for the Knicks’ next head coach. New York needs to make a splash, but perhaps hiring an up and comer will allow them to do just that. Whereas a first-time coach may not boast much experience, they’ll instead have “potential” on their side.

Sometimes it’s easier to get excited about the unknown.




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YAHkov Ben Y'sraEL
YAHkov Ben Y'sraEL

Dress it up any way ya like; bottom line is this:


Phil Jackazz wants a Puppet Coach, like the Country has a Puppet Prez

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

THIS DAY IN KNICKS HISTORY:


(1993)  Knicks open up the Eastern Conference Finals with a 98-90 victory over Chicago at MSG.  Knicks outscore the Bulls 43-29 in the game’s final 19 minutes. Patrick Ewing and John Starks score 25 points apiece.

(1999) Knicks defeat Atlanta 90-78 at MSG to grab a 3-0 series lead in the Eastern Conference Semifinals. The teams combine for 25 third-quarter points, marking the fewest points in a quarter in Knicks playoff history.

ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

I'm hoping we sign Chris Singleton as a free agent so Tommy comes back to us,LOL

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Rick Fox would Coach Knicks:



"I'm hoping -- I keep saying to Phil Jackson -- he needs to coach the team. He's the best guy for it. He's the holy grail of coaches,” Fox said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “If he needed my support in some way, it'd be hard to turn him down. Or if he needed me to step in and do the job myself, I'd definitely welcome that."

Fox played under Jackson in Los Angeles and won three titles with him. The two dined in Manhattan last week, though it is unclear what they spoke about. Fox is currently an analyst for NBA TV and has never coached before. 

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Either Phil Jax is a Master Chess Player or he's letting the universe align a Coach for us ...this waiting is agonizing 

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

So, does Thibbs come to coach the Knicks??  Melo asked noah about him...Thibbs reportedly will only leave CHI for dream job with Knicks arccording to Ric Bucher....I think Phil doesn't even pick up the phone to call Thibbs....not sure how I feel about that one...BUT...I have faith that Phil will make the correct decisions in the long run, even if immediately they don't seem to be that way.

rgm891
rgm891

The United states soccer leaving donovan off the squad is bad karma. Would be lucky to get past group stages anyways.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Don't expect an apology from Stephen A Smith:


“When I say I don’t give a damn… that does it no justice,” Smith said. “I stand by everything that I said yesterday tenfold, 100-fold. And I don’t care who in the black community disagrees with me — I’m not interested in their disagreement on this particular issue because they are not looking at the bigger picture here.”

While Cuban did say he’d “cross the street” if he saw a black kid in a hoodie at night, he also said “in the same breath” that he’d have reservations about a bald guy with tattoos all over his body, he continued.

“Everybody wants to ignore that,” Smith said. “I don’t want to say everybody because I’m not speaking for everybody. … We want to pounce on him making this statement and alluding the black folks or talking about somebody in a hoodie that happens to be black… He talked about the prejudices that exist in all spectrums by all of us. Are we going to sit here and literally act like we don’t have any prejudices?”


Smith went on to argue that what Cuban said is “100 percent correct.” The commentator also addressed the “elephant in the room,” which he said many white people won’t talk about out of fear of being labeled “racist.”

“I look at our unemployment rate consistently being double that of folks in white America. I do understand that, to some degree, there’s a level of racism that we all have to overcome… but that doesn’t mean every single issue is race related,” he said. “Sometimes it is about how you represent yourself, it is about how you present yourself.”


“When I talk about not having a command of the English language, and still you want a job, and you want to have a career, but you don’t want to get your education, you don’t want to go out there and pound that pavement. Everything’s about the sprint, it’s not about the marathon, it’s not about you putting forth the necessary effort and due diligence over the long haul to get the thing you need. That’s a reality in our community.”


http://youtu.be/LKXKccyb2e8




Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

We have 8 players that will be back next year;

STAT, Chandler, Bargnani, JR, Felton, Shump, Prigioni, THJ.

Tyler has an unguaranteed contract, so count him in as 9.

Odom and Brown also have unguaranteed contracts.

Melo, Aldrich, Murry, and K-Mart are free agents.

EA23
EA23

If the only thing standing in the way of getting Thibs as head coach of the Knicks is the 2018 draft pick do you pull the trigger? lol

chudogz1
chudogz1

Hopefully Tom Thibideau gets Mark Jackson'd after the long weekend... That being said, I still think Derek Fisher will be the guy, as I stated a few weeks back...in the mean while I hope Lord of the Rings is working on a draft pick himself, rather than Guitar Shimmy up to his usual shananigans out on the trade market....Go Knicks

brookdon
brookdon

Would be amazing if we were to get him. Too bad it's Ric Bucher aka Mr. Melo-to-the-Nets with the report lol.

brookdon
brookdon

Can't blame them. They've failed on 3/5 top 5 picks, then can't afford to take such a gamble on a guy who's 20 and is already hiding medical records.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@MeloStat301 SAS should have prefaced what he said by saying "But that is only a minute percentage of the Black community. Most of us do work hard and most of us do not fit the stereotype of what is portrayed." His rant just fed into the stereotypical thinking.

lobcity1
lobcity1

Felton is the one with the $. He better buy his way out this.

brookdon
brookdon

Thing is, she's a law student, she knows exactly what she's doing. All of this stuff, from the gun to this is very calculated.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@Knicks_Fanatic. Def not FATTY... Rings told him so himself in exit interviews.....

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Knicks_Fanatic


Not only do we know, but people who do not even live in our continent know that Felton will not be back with the Knicks next season! Also I would doubt that Prigioni will be back as well!

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@chudogz


The 76ers have 5 2nd round picks (2 1st round picks), so it should not be to difficult to purchase one of their 2nd round picks for a mil. or so. If not they can always bring in an undrafted player. Russ Smith , Deandre Kane, or Keith Appling are some of the point guards worth looking at to be back ups!

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Knicks_Fanatic


Warkenstien  and some of the other FO/scouts for the Knciks have been doing a fine job at finding talent. It's the owner, GMs and coaches that have been the Knicks Achilles' heel! 

Elvis Huampo Quispe
Elvis Huampo Quispe

@Mel Brown Shawn Livingston, a big point guard to facilitate in the triangle. Also is decent taking advantage of his height mismatch against opposing team defeenders.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown


No, Shumpert (3 years a slave under Woodson) stays. This will be the year Shumpert reach the height of his promise! Plus it has already been documented that while the Knicks are under the reign of Jackson Shumpert is the most untouchable of the Knicks players because of the promise Jackson see in him!

EA23
EA23

@Mel Brown I think JR Smith when I think Lance Stephenson. I rather keep Shump we have someone who plays like Lance already. Imho

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown 

Lance is a free agent, so there is no way we can obtain him, unless he wants to sign for $3.1 million.

brookdon
brookdon

I don't think lance is worth what he'll ultimately be paid this summer. I'd rather develop Timmy than that scenario.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Mel Brown @MeloStat301  100% agree....did u see the video of Bucher saying this?  I only saw the report and post...video couldn't load on my computer...but if Thibbs is putting it out there that he would take the Knicks job, knowing Phil is in charge (again assuming he is, I didn't see the video) then maybe Thibbs feels like he can work with Jackson....I still see them down the line butting heads possibly though.

edb7777
edb7777

@Mel Brown @MeloStat301 Is it really fair to say that people only know about black people what they see on TV?  If you personally don't know any black people in your life that has to be by design.  That means you just don't want to know any and those types of people are dying out by the dozens each day. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@HypoCrit_calNYKfans @Knicks_Fanatic 

Felton and Prigioni both have guaranteed contracts for next season. Perhaps I should have worded it like that. Perhaps Phil has a deal already, but it's not going to be easy to find a taker for Felton and his personal issues, especially with his player option for 2015.. Prigioni has a small guarantee for 2015 as well.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@HypoCrit_calNYKfans. Agree on Russ Smith, but I think he's a 2nd rounder, not I drafted free agent. I also like Mitch McGary, center for Michigan, although some here are worried he smoked pot... LMAO... Most of the NBA smokes also

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@brookdon


Depending on where Lance Stephenson go and how his new coach (If he does leave Indiana) utilize him Stephenson will continue to grow and mature into a dominating combo guard type of player!

goldbuddha
goldbuddha

She was playing chess while he was eating at Checkers!

brookdon
brookdon

Ruined what was left of his career. Sad situation.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Knicks_Fanatic  

 If Felton is not in an orange jumpsuit by the start of next season and if Jackson can't find a trade partner to dump Felton on to he will most likely initiate a buyout with Felton for the remaining two years. Since it does appears that Jackson has no use for Felton, and probably gets-as many Knicks fans do-even sicken by the thought of Felton in a Knicks uniform next season, I am 99.999% certain that Felton will not play another game in a Knciks uniform. As for Prigioni, I see him as being a part of the old regime's rotation of players, and just like Felton was an extension of Woodson I also viewed Prigioni as an extension of Woodson. Well we Know what Jackson thought about Woodson and Felton, well IMO Prigioni too has already been sentenced... to the guillotine! 

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown 

A combination of seasoned assistant coaches and young fresh talented disciples of Jackson's made assistants to sit on the bench with Fisher is the most likely path Jackson take IMO. 

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown  

Well It's not irrelevant that LJ is not one who is inside Jackson's inner circle and that's really all that matters, right?   

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown


Well unfortunately the Knicks core players and the players Jackson will begin to assemble to construct the Knicks roster are not peers of LJ.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@carl hill 

When a player have the grasp for the fundamentals of the game and it is incorporated into his/her on the court play, to me I see that as a player having "basketball IQ." Some players learn to play predominately from the neck up and some players learn to play predominately from the neck down, and race or the skin pigmentation of a player is not the cause for that achieved skill, it is IMO a learned talent, and Walton from some of the games I've seen him play in have acquired it.    

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown 

I would pass on LJ. He always appeared to me as someone there with the Knick just for a check. Besides being apart of the old regime I would think he will now be (If he is even stlll associated with the Knicks) on the outside looking in!

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown 

I wouldn't mind Walton being on the Knicks bench as a young assistant. He's a disciple of Jackson's with a high IQ and he would relate well with a lot of the Knicks young players. Unlike the tired, old and out of touch assistants Woodson put on his bench who like Woodson could not relate to Shumpert and the other young players on the Knicks!  

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @Knicks_Fanatic @carl hill 

Unless we can find a taker for Melo, Chandler, STAT, or Bargnani, they won't be too many new faces on the roster. We have just about everyone coming back, except for guys like Murry and Aldrich.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @carl hill 

Nope, we don't the the bi-annual exception either.  We can spend $3.3 million on one player or split it up. Then we have the veteran's minimum to sign players.

We are well over $90 million in salary for next season, assuming Melo stays. If he walked we would get under the tax level and have some more exceptions to use.

EA23
EA23

@Mel Brown @Edwin Ok I agree but Shump can get better offensively, but defense is more than just hustle with Shump. Something that we won't have on the wing if we deal him.

EA23
EA23

@Mel Brown @Edwin no way atleast not yet. But jr and lance are the same. We would be 2 deep in SG counting Tim. Id like to see Melo at the SF.


DO you think Lance> Jr Smith?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @Knicks_Fanatic 

Next year is going to look much like this year. We built a championship contender to last for two season, according to Dolan. In 2015, we will have all the goodies at our disposal. It's going to be a long season here with the impatient fans.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @Knicks_Fanatic 

Yes, but we don't get the full MLE, again because we are over the luxury tax line. We can offer an estimated $3.3 million. The full MLE should be closer to $6 million.

The new CBA was designed to punish free spending teams.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown 

You can still trade and take back more in salary. You just can't acquire a free agent via a trade.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown 

Sure, not a problem.

Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1, 2. A team above the apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the apron.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q90

We are going to be about $15 million over the apron, so a sign and trade is near impossible.


Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Mel Brown @Knicks_Fanatic 

We are over the apron and can't sign and trade, according the NBA CBA! That's part of the restriction to prevent teams, like the Knicks, from spending freely.