Isiah Thomas, best draft-day GM?

Was Isiah Thomas the best GM during the NBA draft? A new metric says so.

ESPN’s Tom Haberstroh ranks Thomas as the best draft-day GM, with picks like Trevor Ariza, David Lee, Wilson Chandler and, to an extent, Nate Robinson (Begley, April 8).

“Thomas put up an outstanding hit rate in the draft, no matter where he picked. His run of lottery picks in Toronto should be the stuff of lore. He started off by getting Damon Stoudamire with the No. 7 pick in 1995. Then with the No. 2 pick in 1996, he grabbed Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Camby. The following year in 1997, he nabbed some high schooler named Tracy McGrady at No. 9,” Haberstroh said.




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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

The Bargnani Effect.....

With Bargnani in the lineup, the Knicks were 15-27 and since he went down have been 18-18. This was also the case in Toronto last year, 10-25 with Bargnani and 24-23 after he went down with an elbow injury. It does appear to validate the effect that Bargnani has when he takes the floor on a team's chemistry and play.

When may not be validated is Woody's notion to go big. It obviously didn't work with Bargnani, but since STAT was inserted in the starting lineup, we have 10-6 record.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

How soon after April 16th is Woody canned?  Can't wait for April 17th, the Phil era officially begins. Those people who are holding out hope based on a 1% chance really need to move on and start watching another sport.  The Yanks are back so knicks season ending on Wednesday is nothing, in fact it's the opposite.  It's exciting to see real change being made, and also sooner till we will have the Melo situation resolved. 

Dullah Dakidd
Dullah Dakidd

LMAO @ SANDRO... GOT EXPOSED INTELLIGENTLY DILIGENTLY AND ACCURATELY...#youtrynagetthepipe?

 LMAOOOOO #seeya #troll


Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Magic number now at two. Hollinger playoff odds at 2.4% or 40 to 1.


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

Are we dead yet? Are we dead yet? Are we dead yet?

Chris
Chris

to Sandro, I suggest that with your superior brain to the rest of us, that you root for Wade, you root for the Suns, and leave us to our misery, You have actually trolled this site for enough time to have the rest of know you are not a fan, but rather a cynic that thrives on building your ego at the expense of everyone else on this site. I wish you the the best in your fandom of the Suns, following Dragic and crew as they take down the Thunder and the Spurs with their vaunted no star roster. In short take your negative nancy crap and just blow away

knicksjp18
knicksjp18

OT Chris Copeland hit a game winner for the pacers today

i still think we should have found a way to keep him

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Knicks_Fanatic  Yes, this is something people have not talked about.  Woodson's mistake wasn't to go big. It was to go big with Bargnani, which he probably didn't have much of a choice in the matter since he was the big off season acquisition.  When Woodson tried to go small ball those line ups didn't work well for us this year either.


I think Bargnani could work as a bench option for a good team like The Clippers or Spurs or Heat.  Basically a team that is all ready good and has good defense could benefit from him playing a minor role.  But as a main piece he is hot garbage.


I would never stick up for Woodson as I think he's cost us at least a handful of games this year, which is enough to miss the playoffs.  But with Chandler breaking his leg, Bargnani on the team, STAT playing limited minutes early on, JR recovering from knee surgery and being off in LALA land the first half of the season and most importantly, Shump being in a season long slump and Felton being beyond horrible…he hasn't had a lot go right for him.  Of course he could have helped out his cause by giving more minutes to Prigs, Beno, Murry and Cole Aldrich earlier in the season.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic AB was not a #2 option and he withered int he 2nd half.  That record you sight with STATues is skewed.  We only went on a winning streak against the worse teams we played in that string.  

We are still outside the playoffs in the pathetic East and it's a lot deeper than 1 person or our coach.  We are a dumb team that has no identity other than crazy switching, shooting 3s and isos for Melo. 

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Biggie  Yeah but all of those teams will also want to put the nail in our coffin bc they would rather have The Hawks in the playoffs than us.  I don't expect any of them to rest their starters against us.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Biggie  

Nets, Heat and Bobcats will also be resting their players against the Hawks, then I assume. Why is this an advantage for us? Plus the Hawks get the Bucks, worst record in the NBA.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@Biggie  Uhhhhh, the Nets will be resting starters for the Hawks, not for us, I can guarantee that.


And going 4-0 against playoff teams, two on the road, will be nearly impossible.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Our lil Helmet wearing Hobbit is at it again! So that's all we have to do huh?  

It's all about the playoffs and there a great chance it's not about us!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knicksjp18  There's a reason he plays such little minutes. Today he played because Vogel decided to sit his entire starting unit before the team completely crumbles just before the post season.

Copeland is, literally, a 3 mil a year 15th man.

Too much money for a player that does so little.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@xmenreturn @Knicks_FanaticMaybe they wouldn't be so dumb if Woodson wasn't a sloth with no creativity. He's been the main problem.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@xmenreturn @Knicks_Fanatic  But we lost to many of those teams before STAT started.  You can't say well we're supposed to beat those teams but then turn around and say that beating those teams means nothing.  If you lose to Boston, The Twolves etc…early in the season when STAT comes off the bench but then beat them later in the season when he starts, that means we are a better team with STAT starting.  That is undeniable.  Sure, we got blown out by Phoenix and The Lakers and lost to The Cavs, Heat and Wizards recently.  But since STAT has started we have been above 500.  Put him in the starting line up earlier this year and we're probably in the playoffs.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Seth Plaut @Biggie Yep, The Nets are great playing in their house. I think they have won something like the 21 out of last 23 games there.  

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @ChrisMessenger???? We might not be as smart as you, but many on this site can read, we know some stuff, and you are entitled to your opinions. To restate the same stuff hundreds of times doesn`t seem to be enhancing your thoughts or opinions but rather making you look like the troll that you are. I personally don`t care if you think Melo or Wade is better then the other and find it repugnant that you throw crap like that on this site constantly to annoy people. Wade is a great player whose Knees are betraying him, he is also a dirty player that aspect of his game I don`t respect at all. He has won rings with Shaq and Lebron, and Melo would have too teamed with those two players. You open up the chicken and egg  thesis every time you get into these juvenile rants. Russell or Chamberlain, MJ or Kobe, the big O v modern players,  their comparisons have been debated for years, there are no ways to objectively analyze the comparisons. If you can read, you will see that I am at least comparing players of the same positions, not a guard against a big. That makes you look dumber then I previously thought. Just go away and root for your Suns you are not a Knick fan, but merely a DA troll

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@VerySilentJay @knicksjp18  But why sign him just to sit him on the bench all season.  Yeah, Copeland sucks on defense.  But Indiana is the best defensive team in the league.  Copeland doesn't suck on offense and Indiana desperately needs offense.  You can hide him on defense.  I can't believe he hasn't gotten more minutes in Indy.

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

@VerySilentJay @knicksjp18dont we have a 3 mill/yr 15th man? Raymond Felton? lol

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@xmenreturn @knicksgirl35They made it to the NBA and last year -- when Kidd and Sheed were coaching they did pretty good. They're not that bball ignorant at all. Woodson causes players to regress --- their skill levels suffer because he doesn't work on fundamentals, etc. etc.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Blaze NYK WOW! So it's just easily as STATues starting and not AB?

Why are we not in the playoffs then? 

STATues sucked earlier in the year.  Didn't yall watch him play then? 

Yes, lately he has been our best low post player but he was no where near playing like that early on.  

RivDim
RivDim

Lol Dude why do you allow a malcontent to annoy so much? He's obviously dealing with some deeply seeded personal issues that he has not found a better way to address than to spend a good portion of his life trying to get attention from people like you. Just ignore him. He'll then be forced to deal with his problems, hopefully constructively.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Blaze NYK @VerySilentJay @knicksjp18  Indy's all about hard nosed D. They're OK with scoring 80 if it means keeping their opponents at 75. Copeland doesn't fit with this mentality. 

With the production Indiana received from their starting 5 (which saw George increase dramatically alongside Stephenson), plus the contributions from Scola and Turner after the trade, they were good.


It was shortly afterward that they started with the bickering, and calling each other out, etc. 

Also, imo, a big part of it falls on coaching and George not adjusting his game during his awful stretch. If your shots aren't falling, you gotta pass it.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Blaze NYK @VerySilentJay @xmenreturn  Novak's money goes on through 2016. That's already one reason, aside from his small contribution.


Then you have everything else that is Novak. Include Copeland in this categroy.


You find players like Novak or Copeland more often than not if you look smartly enough, either in the DL or in Europe.

You can bring them here at the vet min or a very affordable price, certainly cheaper than they are now.


I think most became so accustomed by the awful brand of ball this team played that they think mediocre is better than awful.


Bad is bad is bad.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Blaze NYK @VerySilentJay @xmenreturn  Agree to disagree. Despite the tremendous amounts of flaws in his game, AB was able to give you help D, get you some blocks here and there, and score in more ways than just spotting up.

The fact that he was able to limit the production of a guy like Howard speaks volumes, imo.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@VerySilentJay @Blaze NYK @xmenreturn  Well, this is a blog where fans give their opinion, so yeah its conjecture, but its my opinion.  I think we would be better with those two than with Bargnani because they both shoot 3s better than Bargs and even though we had worse 3 point shooting this year, we ran the exact same offense.  Plus it would have kept more of the same team from last year together which probably would have meant a stronger locker room. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay It's true that is easier to defend Novak by getting up on him.   Yet, we never set any screen for him some motion.  

Novak got no run int he playoffs really and he was lethal for us int he reg season.   The thing with Novak was that he was able to hit a few shots in a row and he really got the crowd into the game.   

Woody went away from the thing that got us to the playoffs and he started to panic and try to out defense the Pacers.  

The Pacers are not a big scoring team and they rarely blow out teams.  

We needed to put more emphasis on scoring against them.   

Even if players played up on Novak, that was good because that player couldn't cheat and had to stay on Novak! 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay  All I remember was Novak hitting shots in the regular season and tightening upon stronger defensvie rotations in the playoffs.

Copeland eventually took his minutes and was able to knock down shots against a weaker Celtic defense.


If you honestly think this team is better with those 2 and their respective salaries, imo, you're really stretching. For 7 mil you can get a far better player than those 2, who are, and i say again, 15th men on any good team's bench.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay Cope was our best shooter int he playoffs last year for the Pt he got.  

We never had a great PG last year but we made the extra pass and Jr would make it to Novak even though he had a shot.  

Novak and Cope surely hurt ya on defense but they can be lethal on offense. 

We didn't play Novak during the playoffs.  When he go in he hit his first shot from form near mid court.  Dude is a pure shooter. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay  People b¨tch and complain about our D and rebounding more than anything. There are more ways to score than to park 2 SF/PF's on the perimeter.


Aside from "spreading the floor" which really turn to shh¨t in the playoffs because both were hesitant when defenses closed out faster on both, they bring nothing more than a combiend 7+ mil per.


Pass.. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay   Cope is a pure shooter period.  He is probably a little overweight because he sits on the bench in Indy.  Indy has a lot of talent on that team.

I could care less what Cope means for other teams, he was useful to us. same with Novak. 

We have a bunch on inconsistent shooters on our team.  

You can use guys like Cope and Novak to spread the floor for others to work in the paint.  

You don't have to have a great PG, you do have to have smart players that passes the rock, set picks, screens, make cuts and etc.  

Yeah, we have none of that too!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @VerySilentJay @knicksjp18  Without strong PG play, what good is it for us.

Dude is way overweight, can't rebound at 6'9'', is as bad as a defender as Amare, and has a handle that rivals such skill as Jared Jeffries.


Why would we want that?


At least Timmy attacks the basket, thrives in transition, and can do a hell of a lot more than just spot up, which what Copeland is used for.