Time for a change: It’s time for Toure’ Murry

Harris Decker

Toure MurryBack in December, I wrote about how the time had come for Mike Woodson to give Toure’ Murry his chance to be this years Jeremy Lin. In the months that has followed, not much as changed. Murry is still averaging just 7.7 minutes per game (mostly in mop up duty) while Raymond Felton has digressed further, quickly becoming “the worst starting point guard in the NBA,” according to at least one NBA executive.

The question I raise this is why haven’t we seen more from Murry? As we close out the first half of the season against the Kings, I’d like to throw this out there: Earlier today, Moke Hamilton and I discussed giving Murry a chance to be the starting point guard coming out of the All-Star break. While Moke was hesitant at first, he came around to the idea.

The leash would be short, but seriously, what does this team have to lose? They have struggled the entire season and the play from the point guards has been horrible. Pablo Prigioni has done a better job of late in the latter portions of games but still, they need a boost. They need a spark and I believe Murry could be just that.

Woodson has always played the veterans over the rookies and in that case, things need to change. Per 36 minutes played, Murry is averaging 12.7 points, while Felton comes in 11.7. That’s right. You’ve read it hear first. Toure’ Murry is averaging more points per 36 minutes played than starting point guard Raymond Felton.

What other proof do you need? The writing is on the wall for me and if Woodson is able to keep his job through the All-Star break, I hope that he considers a change.

Bench Raymond Felton. Send a message to the team. If you play poorly, you will be benched. Give the youngsters a shot and just see what happens. Could they really do any worse than a winning percentage of 39 as they did through the first half?

Start Murry.




47 comments
dogmanx23
dogmanx23

All he can do is defend. We need a PG and Murray doesn't have the skills to be a PG in the league right now. Knicks should really send him to the D-League for the year and let him develop there. He's not going to learn how to run the point sitting on the bench and watching Ray stink of the joint. 

brookdon
brookdon

I would give him a chance as well but if temper expectations some. He wasn't any better at running the team than Felton and was horrific at the FT line which is why he got benched all over again. Defensively he is solid however.

sankofa
sankofa

This JB Smooth:Four Courses is funny as hell!

L-Switch
L-Switch

It's pathetic how the media has impacted the perception of the fans about the Knicks in it's ability to do trades. It's even more sad how this perception has leaked into the front office. I recall the media saying the Knick didn't have enough assets to trade for Melo and after he was aquired by the Knicks then suddenly too much was given for him. Now it's the same media that still manipulates fans into believing that they have no assets on this roster to do anythig. Every team in the NBA has assets but the Knicks according to the biased media. Dolan even stopped a trade due to the media perception that he was being robbed in the deal. He compeletly ignored the people he hired to make basketball decisions who strongly recommended he sign off on the deal. The player(Lowry) he would have aquired later went on to play great and lead his team to the top of the division. Fans don't be suckered by the agenda driven media and use your own common sense.  The Knicks do have assets and can make meaningful trades if they do their homework and use some sort of creativity #OscarTheBaller

jayboog
jayboog

Rhondo please force you way to New York !!

You got us trying make a dollar out of 15 cents with these mediocre point guard options

We have no real options at PG its that's simple.

Common kid make it happen lol

tw22
tw22

He benched Smith and Hardaway responded. Bench Felton? Why not?

bklyndude
bklyndude

Felton has to very good on the offensive end in order to put up with him on the defensive end.

He doesn't create enough easy baskets for his teammates, mainly his big guys, to warrant as much playing time as he's gotten in the past.  And he isn't needed to give the ball to Carmelo or JR and watch them go one on one.   He shouldn't be out there at the end of close games.

purehussle
purehussle

Murry isnt a better defender that Shumpert, I he's playing out of position. I blame woodson.

purehussle
purehussle

Felton is a spot up 3 point shooter at this point.

Joshua Valentin
Joshua Valentin

Sounds nice except Felton would destroy the locker room even further if he's benched for a rookie.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

PPL are gonna hate on my comment but hear me out first:


A lot of posters been talking about J Lin. Is he on the block? Does he play PG? i think both answers are yes. The next question is does he get paid 15 mil next year? does it expire next year? If both answers are yes then i say BRING HIM back. 


Not because i think he will save the season, not because I'm a JLin fan but because he expires in 2015 at 15 mil?!?!?!?!  Thats 15 mil expiring along with Amares 23, tysons 14 and AB 11. I would trade for him to help build in 2015.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

Im ok with Murry playing more than 7 mins but i dont think i would start him. I would start Pablo and split pg mins three way with Felton and Murry evenly. I think the starting lineup should be:


Prigs

THjr

Melo 

Tyler

Tyson

This lineup has youth, veteran leadership, energy, defense and offense.


Bench:

Felton/Murry ( Prigs Murry and Felton should have roughly the same playing time)

Shump

Metta

Amare



ds2488
ds2488

I don't think Murry's good at all, but for everyone going "Murry's not ready. He stinks", um okay, Felton stinks and we know it.  At least give Murry a shot.  There's nothing to lose.


I think saying Felton is the worst starting pg in the NBA is giving him a little too much credit.  Not only is he the worst starter, but he's not even a good backup at the moment.  He's been absolute trash all season and a big part of the problem.


Why not give Murry a chance?  The defense will certainly improve, and it's not like Felton is doing anything on offense to help us either.  Give Murry a shot, give Shump a shot, give any young guy a shot.


I agree Harris, it's been this way for weeks, months even, and it's been very obvious.  But our "coach" and obvious don't go together too well.

purehussle
purehussle

Shump at point guard can't be any worse that Felton, and he's a better defender by far.

purehussle
purehussle

I think the change that needs to be made is Felton moving over to the SG position and making Shump starting Point guard, Felton can't break down defenses, get in the paint or finish consistently, people will say the same things about Shumpert but he's playing the forward position I think if you put him at point guard offensively and defensively we can be a much better team. Have Felton be a spot up 3 pt shooter the way Kidd was last season.

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

MURRY & Beno is our ONLY guards to help win our ONLY 5 game win streak.

cj1786
cj1786

I am down for this.  On top of the fact that he is more productive per minute on offense he can stay in front of someone on defense.  That alone makes it worth it to put him on the court instead of Felton. 


And I think many of the people commenting here are missing the point.  No one is saying that Murray is going to be great or that this is a season changing type move, or that Murray is the perfect answer for what is ailing the Knicks.  He's likely not any of those.  But hes on the team, has shown he can play a little in the small chance he's gotten, and the guy ahead of him stinks. Point is he can't be any worse than Felton, so why not try it. 

L-Switch
L-Switch

It is not time for Toure Murry. I laughed at when Harris Decker mentioned this in the podcast as if the kid was some nice prospect pg. Murry has a very weak handle and against certain teams he struggles to even get the ball up the court. So why is it time for him now? The Knicks have to do the right thing that should have been done months ago and trade for a PG who is a clear upgrade over Felton. I can't believe that this clown Harris even suggested that Murry should start for a team that is sinking as if the pressure wouldn't be too much for him. Murry can't shoot, DRIBBLE and isn't a very good finisher so why is it now his time Harris? Murry is pretty much a carbon copy of Shumpert with slightly better court vision. It's funny how people say no to Lowry(whom every time I watch him play has assist totals in double digits and rebounds around 7 or 8) but will call for Toure Murry.Yes I would trade for Lowry(27 years old) and resign him to around 8-9 mil per as the market for starting pg's will be weak this offseason.  This will allow for the Knicks to still go after a near max player in 2015. Not to mention that this deal would probably cause the Raptors to plummet in the standings as Lowry is a big reason for their success.

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

Woodson NEED TO PLAY HIS YOUTH PLAYERS. THERE GAME IS NOT GONE GROW DURING GARBAGE TIME. He will wear out his starters especially MELO. GET MURRY IN THE GAME & DON'T take him out bcuz of a mistake.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

- PER 36 is weak. It's misleading and always makes players look better than they are. Not nearly a strong enough argument. 

- Does Murry play 36 minutes a game? No.

- Where do his minutes come from? Yeah, garbage time against 3rd string players, so of course, viola, presto, if you project those numbers to 36 minutes, of course they'll look better than Prigs or Felton, who play against team's better guards.


Imo, Murry is not ready, by any stretch, to run an offense. His handle is suspect, his decision making is questionable, he's got no jumpshot or range, and his courtvision is suspect as well.

Right now he's best served as a defensive energy man for short stretches. To expect more at this point (especially with the time he sees), is a tremendous stretch. He's a combo guard being transitioned into a PG. With no playing time, he's got little chances to actually make the transition. 

There's no chance of him running the offense better than Prigs or Felton. 

The potential is there, but it's very much a work in progress. 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

So, lowry is not available and rondo could go to houston. All we have cooking is a dream chasing trade for faried.

I guess it's "wait till 2015."

Duv Bee
Duv Bee

These articles are horrible...Have you seen him play?? Obviously he's not ready.  Yall gotta do better with your stories.

brookdon
brookdon

Agree 100%. For months pre Melo all ESPN talked about was how awful a package based around Gallo was until he was traded lol

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@L-Switch  the media's job is to manipulate the public's minds so that they keep an audience. you are right on.

tw22
tw22

@purehussle Murray is a better defender than Felton, this has nothing to do with Shumpert, who is not a better point guard than either.

tw22
tw22

@JayfromtheFix Lin is being hidden/protected by the fact that the offense actually flows through Harden. Lin barely brings the ball up at this point. PLEASE STOP THE LINSANITY!

jayboog
jayboog

@Biggie

Agreed he just does not have good enough ball handling skill at this point to be a starting PG in the NBA. He is however a major upgrade defensively over Felton.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Biggie  he hasn't played enough! court vision? he has better court vision that dribble master flex felton!

Ryan Harris
Ryan Harris

@purehussle  I hope you are kidding? How is the world is Shumpert going to play point. He cant finish at all and he cant dribble. He's a spot up shooter who plays good on ball defense.



Gregory Winer
Gregory Winer

@L-Switch  We have nothing to trade at the moment - values are at an all-time low. I do think we should give this kid a chance to grow...he won't get this opportunity next year. We can't fix this team right now.

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

Definitely NOT gone win w/ FAILTON & Prigs - gotta start somewhere. I don't see Rondo or Lowry coming to NY. Same w/ Shump, coach run NO plays for him to the point his game has regress badly. But under a GOOD coach or w/ teams like Phx, Lac, etc HE WILL EXCEL.

purehussle
purehussle

@tw22 @purehussle  No this has everything to do with Shumpert who should be defending the other teams PGs and being a pest

jayboog
jayboog

@refguy22 @Biggie

that is your argument

hahahahahahhah

Felton has an average assist to turnover ration you left out 5.7 assist this year and 6.5 assist career. Dude Murray is not a point guard , he cant dribble, he looks down as he dribbles and has no left hand

Any pressure and he barely beats the 8s econd count.

I am disappointed in Felton as well but the stat you just threw out is too funny

I am not opposed to starting Him over Felton but he cant be our point guard.  

Shumpert and JR have better ball handling skills and that is saying a lot.

I would start PP at point guard and bring Jr back in the starting lineup.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@jayboog @Biggie  let's see. how many turnovers has ray had this season? if turnovers is your criteria for ball handling skill than your opinions are baseless.

brookdon
brookdon

Beno is worse than Felton defensively

purehussle
purehussle

 @purehussle  Neither can Felton, his defense alone will improve this team did you forgot how good he is on the ball

L-Switch
L-Switch

 @L-Switch That's what the media has convined you to believe. It's just not true though.

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

Cause he's not playing. Him & Beno help get our ONLY 5 game winning streak. Felton & Prigs didn't. Murry Is up & coming, he need a GOOD coach.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@jayboog  how many games has felton lost for us? give murry felton minutes we might win some games.