Knicks drop to 4-10 at home, Melo has no answers

Adam Zagoria, Team Reporter

Carmelo AnthonyThe Knicks are now 4-10 at home this season and 0-3 in home noon starts.

A year ago, they didn’t lose their 10th home game until March 7 and finished 31-10 at Madison Square Garden.

“I don’t think it has to do with basketball,” Carmelo Anthony said of the home struggles after he put up 30 points in the Knicks’ 95-87 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies. “I think it is in our heads. As individuals we have to get it out of our own heads. We have to start having fun again.”

Boos rained down on the Knicks at stretches of the game, and it seems fair to wonder how long head coach Mike Woodson can last at this rate.

“Whenever you drop games at home it is never a good feeling,” said J.R. Smith, who had 16 points in the  loss. “Getting booed at the Garden is something we don’t want to happen. It is frustrating.”

Anthony admitted that this year’s team is still searching for an identity compared with last year’s version.

“You can’t compare both teams,” he said. “Last year we were a different team. We were an established team with an identity from the jump. This year we are still searching.”

Following two horrendous losses in noon starts, coach Mike Woodson imposed a 10 o’clock curfew and installed the team in a hotel.

The result?

The Knicks trailed by as many as 19 points before making a late run that cut it to 91-87. They ultimately felt short as former Knick Zach Randolph helped destroy the Knicks with 25 points and 15 rebounds.

The Knicks have now lost three noon home starts by a combined 80 points.

Eighty.

“I take pride in trying to win games at home,” said coach Mike Woodson, whose seat is growing increasingly hot.

“That was the beauty the last two years. We have been slow in that area and that has put us in a hole. If we won half of our home games we would be sitting at the top of our division the way it is playing out. Somewhere along the line, some of these home games we lost, we have to put a string of wins on the road. That is the only way we can get out of this hole.”

The Knicks were destroyed on the boards (56-29) and in the paint (60-28) by a Memphis team missing Marc Gasol.

Andrea Bargnani managed just two rebounds and three points.

“Look at the rebounding…it was [56] to 29,” Woodson said. “That is embarrassing especially when you start a big lineup. Tyson [Chandler], Bargnani, Melo have to rebound the ball better and we have to do it as a unit. We couldn’t keep them out of the paint and that was the problem.”


Adam Zagoria covers the New York Knicks and Big East hoops for NBA.com and SNY.tv. He also appears as a Big East Basketball Insider on SNY and 1050 ESPN Radio. You can follow him on Twitter and read his blog.




165 comments
miracle33d
miracle33d

The only solution is to bring in a competent and knowledgeable basketball mind to run the front office, give him full power, and get out of his way.  The trouble is that when Stern was commissioner he was willing to force the issue with Dolan (by making him bring in Walsh).  Now that he has stepped down and we have Adam Silver in his place, Knick fans are looking at a black hole with not much hope in sight.

tifoso6
tifoso6

This is an owner who gave up David Lee, Randolph, Jamal Crawford, Gallinari, Wilson Chandler and Mozgov for this mess.  We need a change of a coach right now. Can we expect anything but the worst

from Steve Millls who hired Thomas.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Memphis snapped a 5 game losing streak with us smh. You got bums coming off the bench having career high games

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

The Knicks are last in free throw attempts but top 2 or 3 in 3pt attempts. What the hell do they see when they watch tape? What are the discussions...Rhianna?

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Felton refuses to lose weight and he cant stay in front of any pgs on D

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

These bums let Brandon Knight drop close to 40+ and he only avg 11ppg before that night

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

We lost to the Celtics twice and they had no Rondo. The Bobcats disrespected us lol. Now we know any given night things can change but championship teams beat up on teams that they are suppose to

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Im scared that they may fire Woodson and bring in Isaiah lol

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

When they lost Kidd, they knew they needed an elite pg

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Knicks fans should truly stop supporting these dudes but we have so much Die Hard in our blood, we believe every game will be different. If the Knicks are down by 10 going into the 4th, that means its time to leave early or turn the channel

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

They tried hard to compare themselves to the Heat. The difference is Pat Riley and Mickey Arison know something about this sport.James Dolan and his team only know money.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Lol. Then they have the nerve to announce that they are bringing him back from the D-League like this dude is some sort of savior lol. Smmfh. This is so horrible you have to laugh because it definitely beats trashing the Garden and getting arrested lol

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Can the Knicks turn it around, not with the current roster and no discipline. No guidance. Whos bright idea was it to sign Chris Smith?

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

That sat up with straight faces and told us thats this team was and is in a position to ring chase and we bought those lies right along with the tickets lol

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Sad part about it is Stat has an option this year. Now folks always raggin Melo.Lets see if Stat is about team and winning by giving that money back and taking less to bring in some kind of talent

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Marbury said Stat and Melo couldnt coexist. How was he right?

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Dolan is the 2013 Ronald McDonald

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

I refuse to go to anymore games until heads and bodies start to roll. Im not wasting my money or time with this org as of today. They pay attention to the fans more than they admit, yet they are stubborn. Im sure my loyal dollar means nothing.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Dolan looks like the chump lol. Massive amounts of power and money and the only thing he can do is bring in new knick dancers. This dude is a joke

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

start Hardaway in order to get guard production

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

Shump gets 30+ mins avg 6.6ppg.....why would any smart person give him more time than JR or Hardaway? thats why Woody isnt the guy

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

cut Shumps mins, trade Bargs now

ponzies86
ponzies86

Start Tim cut JR minutes give Murray more playing time cut Bargs minutes as well set up some pick and rolls with Shump and Stat or Shump and Melo 

MOSTHATED1
MOSTHATED1

woody is clearly a coach who didn't start from the bottom....that is why he doesn't focus on developing players because he is used to having players who knows the game...it makes his job easier to have vets that know the game versus teaching players from scratch if he started in college he would have knowledge of this...and now look if the knicks didnt have melo this team wouldn't have one win...and not because melo is a beast of a player but because the only way woody can coach is if he has a star player that demands a double he then just tries to fit players around him ( same as he did in atl with Joe Johnson)..without a star   woody would never just have a fluid system where everyone scores his whole game plan revolves around a star or someone who has to be doubled....this is why it isnt always good to have a player  go right into coaching without starting at a lower level

zippo
zippo

I have a feeling this is it woody is gone..i think we will wake up in the morning at it will be so

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Of these 3, which is the worst, 4-10 at home, 0-8 vs West, or 0-14 when trailing at the half?

tifoso6
tifoso6

At the beginning of the season I said we were heading in the wrong direction.  We have a weak point guard situation and a weak coach.  The other important factor is Bargnani stinks, he has no basketball

sense.  You need to fire the coach and trade for a point guard.  Bargnani takes a seat in the fourth quarter

always.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

I swear not one media member asks them why they don't attack to get to the line. Especially since we struggle to score. We don't get anything easy.

tommy2b
tommy2b

@Kvdaone my condolences man.  It must be painful to be holding knicks tickets right now.

tommy2b
tommy2b

@ponzies86 pick and rolls with shump on the ball wouldn't work.  First of all he doesn't have the handles to run it, second he is not a good enough passer to find the seams in the defense that it opens up, and finally he can't shoot so they can easily defend it by sagging off him.


Agree about cutting bargs and jr's minutes though.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@orlando_knickfanI'm not watching any Knicks games until either they can get to .500 or can Woody and bring in a competent head coach. And I'll wait for all the low bball IQ garbage that's on the roster to expire. Shouldn't continue to flip trades in desperation. Let them all come off the cap. Then do things right going forward. Sign quality players with good IQs at reasonable prices for their production. Draft players with good Bball IQs, By that I don't mean don't go after athletes to develop, they have to in addition to being athletic have to have good characters in basketball inteliigence. If Melo leaves, the Free Agency pipe dream of luring a star w/ a flawed roster and management may be exposed for what it is and hopefully, HOPEFULLY some sound people will be hired for the front office. Oh yeah and F CAA.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@MOSTHATED1 Your argument is weak. You must be able to not only motivate players but also teach--yes teach. There is always something to be learned and/or enhanced as a player. Melo said it himself in an interview. He stated that he feels that there is always more to learn in getting better as a player. Kobe has echoed those words. So don't give me those garbage excuses. If I'm paying someone millions to coach my team, he sure as hell better know the game in and out and how to bring out the best in his team. Woodson is an extremely poor NBA coach. 

lindro88
lindro88

How about roughly 6 wire to wire losses at home. That's unheard of.

latichever
latichever

The worst is 4-10 at home--the mark of bad team is losing in a sport that has a home field advantage.

The whole east is close to zero agaisnt the west. Just look, if the season ended today, teams that wouldn't make the playoffs in the west would be third seed in the east.

0-14 at the half. Bad, but I'm sure if you looked it up, you'd find a significant majority of games are won by the half-time leader.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@knickfan2 

It's now his left knee, not the right knee which required surgery in April and was drained twice. Not a metta good sign.

tommy2b
tommy2b

@Jaime How about -4 for overall basketball IQ?  Once in a while he'll make a nice pass but he makes silly mistakes and Shaqtin-a-fool plays constantly.


Also re: his offense -  What is often ignored about his offense is the inconsistency.  At times he can go stone cold shooting wide open jumpers.  It deflates the entire team when the work the whole possession getting someone an open look and he clanks it.  If prigs/udrih/melo/THjr/Stat and even Kmart are wide open in their range you know they will make it.  We have one too many of JR/Bargs that can score but are prone to missing open shots.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Jaime 

How about a -5 for rebounding? He has to be the worst 7 footer in the NBA on the boards. Got 2 today in 22 minutes.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Kojo Brown@MOSTHATED1Yes. Poor coach who didn't higher a competent assistant. Thereby insuring his longevity through this season. Who will pick up a wreck mid stream w/o training camp. That is unless the All Star break can be used that way.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

What about trailing at the half 14 times in the first place, that means trailing in more than half their games and zero come back wins

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@latichever 

Those teams in the West may not make the playoffs, but they will get into the draft lottery. The crummy East teams that make the playoffs will be picking later.

tommy2b
tommy2b

@Knicks_Fanatic I give him a -4 for rebounding.  Novak gets the -5. 

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Even if they did, the Knicks wouldn't have a lottery pick anyway

latichever
latichever

And the Knicks will get squat.

Based on this season, if I were the fan of a west team I could entertain the idea of the top 16 teams making the playoffs regardless of conference--like the NCAA.

In British football, the Knicks would be demoted to the d-league.