Knicks learn a valuable lesson in narrow win over 76ers

Harris Decker

Orlando Magic v New York KnicksIt’s become pretty clear to most Knicks fans this year that when the team is settling for long range, outside shots, they struggle. On the flip side, when they are aggressive and getting to the rim, they thrive. Last night the Knicks defeated the 76ers in a game that was much closer than it should have been.

The Knicks built a big lead in this game by getting inside and finishing at the rim. Amare Stoudemire finished the game with a game high 22 points, missing just a single shot in the paint. Tyson Chandler was also able to push the 76ers around with 17 points on 7 of 10 from the field. Chandler and Stoudemire had to pick Carmelo Anthony up. Anthony shot just 5 of 16 from the field. While he did reach 21 points, it was one of his least effective shooting nights of 2014. He shot just 31% from the field on Friday night.

In what was a low scoring game, Iman Shumpert was able to contribute 10 or more points for only the third time since February 1st. He finished with 11 points include three 3’s.

With the lead at 17 with just over 5 minutes to go in the 4th, this game seemed well at hand. That is until the 76ers went on a big run that saw the lead shrink to just 2 points after Thaddeus Young hit a big 3 with 42.5 seconds left. While the Knicks held on by the narrowest of margins, it wasn’t a pretty sight. After the game, Tyson Chandler said that “a win is a win…” Not exactly a ringing endorsement after winning eight in a row.

What plagued the Knicks late was the drift out of the paint. In the 4th quarter, the Knicks shot just 1 of 9 from outside the paint. We’ve seen this happen before. When they get a big lead, they stop trying to move the ball inside, instead settling for deep, often wild outside shots. The lesson to be learned from last night is that even with a lead, it’s important to continue to do what works. In last nights case that was getting the ball to the big men inside and letting them finish at the rim.

The Knicks take on the Cleveland Cavaliers tomorrow and will have to play a more consistent game. The Cavs are coming off three straight losses to three of the toughest teams in the NBA. You know they are going to try to rebound after straight losses to the Clippers, Heat and Thunder.




58 comments
orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Sorry, you cannot have a big man who can't catch the ball.  Sorry Tyson ya gotta go.

rico
rico

No the Knicks APPARENTLY did not learn anything from the Sixers game. (Written after the loss to the Cavs at home)



charlie duck sauce
charlie duck sauce

The starters last night shouldn't act shocked. If I recalled, the Knicks last season during the playoffs in Boston nearly blew a 23-point lead which everyone had a hand in the near collapse, including the ice veined J-Kidd. No one on the Knicks wanted a piece of that ball when the Celts were chipping down that lead. So no one should be commenting on last night.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

Woody's coaching:

Get back! Get back!

Iman---get over there!

Melo, Melo ---- mumble mumble mumble

"Where's my dam white board?"

PJ please get rid of this hack before the playoffs!

preybird
preybird

I have to say, I am very happy to see Aldrich getting some burn. He brings grit, smarts, and a soft touch that Tyler seems to be lacking. I wonder if Jackson has anything to do with this move. Supposedly he likes Cole. When is K-Mart coming back to help the front line?

Louis
Louis

This commentary says nothing about Woodson pulling his starters out way to early, or Woodson not calling a timeout during their 16-1 run, the facts are not presented very well here MR Decker, Woodson was the cause of this near collapse. Your commentary's have always been very good, but please don't miss the obvious reasons for what should of been a great year.

Woodson has done a horrible job all year, this is just more of the same from a horrible coach, that benifited greatly last year from Kidd, and Rasheed, on the team, and was happy to take the credit.

However this year he blames injuries and JR and shumpert and everybody  else but himself.

The only reason we are winning now is because guys like Melo, Amare and Chandler refuse to let up.

So we are winning in spite of Woodson best efforts to sabotage team as witnessed by last night's game.

zebeto
zebeto

This for all you marc Gasol lovers out there ........i've been saying that he is a tiking time bomb injury wise , dude is too heavy/fat? to have a long career in the NBA (knee/feet are gonna give out)................Aldrigde over MGasol by a MILE in 2015 !


Marc Gasol  left game with miami last night with foot injury ...in a walking boot .

frankieboy
frankieboy

I was sensing a possible loss / setback. 


Fasten seats belts fans.... Every game must be do or die . 


BTW... ATL lost  :-)

jax13
jax13

If we had a coach that could make easy in game adjustments, we would be fighting for playoff seeding instead we are fighting to get into playoffs in a bad Eastern conference.

Don't get me wrong, the players are a lot to blame but the schemes, game plans, lack of plays, lack of focus (last nite) have all caught up with these knicks....

rgm891
rgm891

Can we get more help tonight!!! Bobcats vs Blazers.  Lets keep this rolling guys!

jax13
jax13

We are a team that has underperformed all season, for woody to wait til the 30 second mark to get guys back in was awful. He has no feel for this team he has coached all year.

That alley oop attempt from Murry to Aldrich was the cherry on top. Guys on the team do not understand basics of basketball. Woody should have had starters in til 3 min mark. Players have to know he is not a confident coach n they play just like that.

A win is a win but that was unnecessary last night.....

Woody is the same coach he was last year for a 54 win team but the rest of the league has caught up to him n he has never countered, that is the story of mike Woodson as coach......

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

Melo said he NEVER had to suit back up again ever in his career. What does that tell you WMD's (Woody's Mindless Defenders)? 

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

The bench players were out there showcasing their individual talents and not playing as a unit, while the coach stopped coaching until the last 30 secs. "A win is a win" but this should be a learning experience for both coach and players.  

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

STAT had two debridements last season on his knees and that was years after his microfracture surgery. His knees should be in good shape and it's not unexpected it would take him sometime to get his game back together. Love him or hate him, he did work very hard to get back.

If you look at Grant Hill, he missed a few seasons with injuries and came back to be a significant contributor. Whether or not, Amar'e follows that career path is to be determined.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Last night's game did 1 thing only and that was sealing the fate of Woody. His incompetence was on full display. Only thing that's good is the Knicks actually got a W. Besides leaving his starters on the bench too long, but not instructing his team to foul MCW immediately was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You are up three, foul him early so he only gets two. The teams lack of IQ which has cost this team so dearly on the season is clearly a reflection on the coach.

cj1786
cj1786

I think everything you pointed out us true, and lessons can be learned, but I think when analyzing what happened late in the game it should be pointed out that the lead was lost after Woodson had thrown in the towel and taken out the starters. It was a lineup of hardaway, Murray, Aldrich, Tyler out there. It's no excuse for poor play but it is a fact that it all happened after the Knicks had essentially stopped trying while philly still had all their starters in. If anything woodson should be blamed for doing that a little to soon.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Louis  You are RIGHT ON is your assessment. Woody is mentally slow and he is stubborn---a horrible combination for a coach at any level.

preybird
preybird

@Louis  Good points, Louis. I don't know how Harris sidestepped criticizing Woodson. Every rational Knicks fan who was watching the Sixers go on that run was screaming: "WOODY--Call an effing timeout". Pablo played only 20 minutes or so last night. Are you telling me that Woody couldn't leave him out there? Murry, obviously, has a long way to go before he learns how to run an offense.  

darealeric
darealeric

The rest of the league has caught up to him? LMFAO, the rest of the league could care less what Mike Woodson does. You speak of him as if he's coaching an NBA championship team that warrants every other coach to study his idiocy. Especially when the fact remains the same as last season, 85% of our playbook is ISO Melo while the other 15% is ISO JR

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@jax13  Kidd should get credit for half of those 100 games they say Woody won.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@jax13  

That alley oop was attempted with so much time left on the 24 second clock. Murry hasn't impressed. He does have NBA skills and talents, but he isn't close to having figured out how to play the game. He is 24 and I'd say put a fork in him. He is done.

darealeric
darealeric

Who in their right mind here is still defending Woody? Except Biggie that is...

darealeric
darealeric

No, it SHOULDENT be a learning experience for anybody, this team is comprised of a veteran coach and veteran players...

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

@Seth Nadler  you're right, cause Woody could've called a timeout and slowed down Sixers Momentum and drew up some set plays so the Bench players can have some order instead of free styling and making bad decisions.. 

bigdishing
bigdishing

@Seth Nadler  Ha, Woodson's fate was sealed a while ago. Officially around the time Dolan asked Jackson to coach the team. 

bigdishing
bigdishing

@Biggie  Yeah, Stat's resurgence has been building all year. Add to that a great season by Melo. A relatively decent run of health. This team should be the third seed. Instead, fans have to stay up watching Hawks/Cats on NBA TV. 

cj1786
cj1786

@Armand N Berdynaj  Nothing you said makes any sense.  


First, no one said Mills was a big asset in talking to 'free agents', they said he was an asset talking to 'agents', as in the people who represent those free agent players.  This is because Mills has extensive NBA front office experience and has been around the business of the NBA for many years from all sides.  


As for CAA, I'm not sure what the Mills connection is there?  Mills did not come on until this seasons roster was already set.  He was not involved in all those more recent dealings with CAA or bringing those players to the Knicks.  


Which brings me to your next point about the Bargnani trade.  That was not a Mills' 'first move', the Bargnani trade happened in July when Glen Grunwald was the GM, and Mills wasn't hired until September.  


Next, Phil Jackson is being paid 12MM a year and repeatedly said that he took the job on the condition that he had full control over the basketball team.  He was not coming here to listen to Steve Mills.  


Lastly, why would you "give this until the draft"?  How is the draft at all a relevant deadline?  First, they have no first round pick, second, free agency doesn't happen until after the draft.  So expecting some kind of meaningful changes (outside of a coaching change) prior to to the draft would be silly.




M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

@Armand N Berdynaj  . Mills did not trade for Bargnani. That trade was made by Glen before he was fired. Mills came during the middle of training camp and Mills is not bed with CAA.

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

@Armand N Berdynaj  In his defense, Mills didnt make the trade for Bargnani it was either Dolan or Grunwald. Mills wasn't hired until all the roster decisions were pretty much made. 

bigdishing
bigdishing

@Armand N Berdynaj  Don't worry, Mills is running nothing. Jackson will decide all personnel moves. He's just not going to D League games, etc. It seems like Mills was shut down months ago. Or else he would have done something before the trade deadline. 

jax13
jax13

Yep you are right, he should get jrs sixth man award too

jax13
jax13

I like Murry but still do not know what he is yet. Woodson has not shown that he can develop young players here or in Atlanta. See shump n Teague.....

Woodson has to reel these guys in and coach them.

Last season, he would get on everyone, including melo n hold guys accountable.

This season, he has only done that with certain guys....

A good coach will develop some of these young guys but woody will not.....

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Knicks_Fanatic @jax13  He has Heady as his teacher. Need I say more and he doesn't play him. Murry played better when he first got there. Woody is poison to young players.

darealeric
darealeric

Stfu moron, your one of the only few idiots here who should be eating crow more than anyone. You predicted us NBA champions in September fool. Remember that?

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Armand N Berdynaj @Biggie  THANK YOU! Woodson is an idiot of the highest order just like those who defend him.

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

@carl hill  The pick made less sense because we drafted Gallo the year before and touted him as the next Dirk, when we already had Zach and Lee. So why would you need to draft another pf if Gallo was supposed to play that role? Mike D's prints were all over those decisions. He was never a good judge of personnel. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@carl hill  

The Knicks drafted Toney Douglas as a PG in the same draft. He didn't pan out, but we did draft a PG. We also lacked big men. We started Lee at center, Jeffries, Chandler, and Harrington at PF.

Drafting Jordan Hill was not a worse move than trading the draft picks that became Noah and Aldridge for Eddy Curry. It's not even in the same galaxy.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Biggie @firebaldy  You are a creep who is slower than Woody if that's possible. LMAO! 

Taking 3 hours to come up with a comeback Slowey?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@jax13  

If you can't handle a basic game situation like running out the clock with a lead, you shouldn't be a point guard, let alone in the NBA. 

jax13
jax13

Agreed but coach also needs to have right players on court.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Knicks_Fanatic @firebaldy @jax13  Ofcourse that's on the coach and the assistants or else why have them!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@firebaldy @Knicks_Fanatic@jax13 

Players need to know the game situation. That's not on the coach. 

48.9 second left Carter-Williams makes a 3 ball 92-87. 42.7 second left Murry throws the ball away. At that point in the game, you just run the clock out. I know that. You that. We all know that.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@kneggyknik  Good riddance! That kid is in love with Heady Murphy! LMAO

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

@Armand N Berdynaj @D.Salahudin  I'm not going to just believe that Mills made a decision in a time that he wasn't hired for. A decision that was actually agreed upon June 30th. I'm going to need proof to come to that conclusion. You have provided opinion, which maybe possible or plausible but not definitive. 

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

@Armand N Berdynaj @D.Salahudin  That deal happened in July, Mills was hired in September. That is a great deal of speculation with a timeline that doesn't really add up. Why would 2 months pass before you hired Mills and let Grunwald go?

D.Salahudin
D.Salahudin

@firebaldy @D.Salahudin @Armand N Berdynaj  People forget how much talent was on the Lakers roster before Phil took over the 1st time. The Lakers had all the talent you could imagine and kept getting bumped in the 1st round. They got rid of Elden Campbell, Eddie Jones, and hired Phil. He won with Shaq, Kobe, and role players.   

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@solar_lion @Knicks_Fanatic

Phil is actually in a good position as the contracts of STAT, Chandler, and Bargnani all expire next season. So either trading the expiring deals or looking to sign free agents are in the same time horizon.

People think we should have got something back for Jamal Crawford, but he was owed $29 million over three seasons.He was a nice player, but who was going to give you value for that contract. Randolph went to the Clippers and they gave him to Memphis for Q-Rich. He was owed $48 million for three years. Both were good players, but way overpaid at the time.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Armand N Berdynaj @Knicks_Fanatic@carl hill 

Yeah, so we got Eddy Curry and the Blazers and Bulls got All-Star big men. You want to minimize Isiah's dealings and then blame Donnie Walsh for not trading up to get a pick.