Knicks, Nets Appear Headed in Opposite Directions

Adam Zagoria, Team Reporter

The Knicks hosted their arch-rivals on Monday in a nationally televised game on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

You would think a game like that would be easy to get up for.

Instead, the Knicks came out absolutely lifeless and appeared to lose the game in the first quarter en route to a 103-80 blowout loss at Madison Square Garden.

While the Nets left feeling as if they had exacted revenge for a 30-point blowout last month in Brooklyn, the Knicks were left with yet another double-digit loss and no real answers going forward.

J.R. Smith, Jason Kidd, Carmelo Anthony, Tyson Chandler, Bill KennedyThey have now dropped four straight and are 0-2 on this eight-game homestand.

“I really can’t put my finger on exactly why we got off to a slow start and just didn’t seem to have it today,” said Carmelo Anthony, who sat with a towel over his head to shield himself from embarrassment in the final minutes of a game in which the Knicks were roundly booed by the home fans.

The Knicks fell behind 27-16 in the first period and 52-38 at the half.

After about five minutes surrounded by a throng of reporters at his locker after the game, Anthony finally called out his team’s effort.

“That’s the only thing that kind of bothers me, that today we didn’t even fight,” he said. “I felt like we didn’t even fight as a team. From the jump ball it just felt that they just owned us today.”

The Knicks and the Nets have been bringing up the Atlantic Division for much of this surprising season, but now the Nets are surging upward while the Knicks are barely treading water.

Brooklyn (17-22) is 7-1 in 2014 and moved to within 2 1/2 games of first-place Toronto with the win.

“They came into our building and embarrassed us, so we wanted to return the favor,” Andray Blatche said, referring to the 30-point loss in December at Barclays Center.

“We are still building,” Paul Pierce said of the Nets. “We have a good groove going on right now since the New Year. The goal is to eventually get to .500 and continue to get better.”

The Knicks, meantime, have dropped four straight — all by double-digits — ever since a five-game winning streak that included victories of the San Antonio Spurs and the two-time NBA champion Miami Heat appeared to signal the start of a turnaround.

The team’s confidence has hit another low, and Anthony and Tyson Chandler spoke in hushed tones at their lockers.

“Everything was going good for us [during the winning streak] offensively and defensively,” Anthony said. “Guys felt good about themselves. There was a lot of confidence. Right now we don’t have that as a team.”

The Knicks are at the mid-way point of the season and they are 15-26, not exactly the stuff of a playoff contender.

“I don’t know how to deal with a situation like this,” said Anthony, who has said he will opt out of his contract this summer but also that he will retire a Knick. “I am learning. It is the first time.”

Asked if he was worried, he said, “Worried? I am not at that point yet because I still feel like we can figure it out.”

While the Knicks “figure” things out, the clock is ticking, and the Nets are moving up.

Adam Zagoria covers the New York Knicks and Big East hoops for NBA.com and SNY.tv. He also appears as a Big East Basketball Insider on SNY and 1050 ESPN Radio. You can follow him on Twitter and read his blog.




162 comments
C0P0
C0P0

Truly a lost season.


Props to Melo, for being stoic and supportive, for so long.

This team sucks monkey brass.  

zebeto
zebeto

lundberg brought a good hypothetical trade .......


Melo to Houston for Asik, Terrance Jones and Chandler Parsons (gotta send Chnadler to OKC at the same time )

rgm891
rgm891

What does steve mills do? LMAOO gets paid millions for sitting back and doing nothing. Dolan runs this guy like a puppet. It's a crazy thing to think about. Change will be coming guys.

lindro88
lindro88

This lack of effort narrative needs to stop. This isn't about effort, this is a bad team. This is a poorly coached team.

sammysauna
sammysauna

Say it ain't so. Major dissappointment to say the least. Hard to knock Melo's play recently. Despite any efforts on his part, this team sucks. Shump has regressed, Felton, JR, nor Tyson are the players they were last year. Bargnani is in a daze half the time and plays totally unmotivated, he looks like he could care less if they win or lose. Amare and Kmart play with some passion but are both to fragile at this point in there careers. Prigi is a decent piece if we had a real point guard who could penetrate. Murry has potential but is out of control at times. Hardaway Jr has upside but can he be a more well rounded player and not just volume shooter? 


I really have been trying to keep the faith but this season looks shot. We are on pace to lose like 52 games. Really? Have the injuries been that devestating? Firing Woody would be an option if not just for squinting Herb Williams as coach for the rest of the year. Not like this is the type of team that could coach themselves. Still hoping this team can some how pull it together. Looking like we need a shake up trade or miracle. Any sign of life fellas.


What do you think Melo...Any hope of salvaging the season?....

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dagawd
dagawd

Woody isn't going anywhere.


He gets and extension.


Dolan loves a good sack polisher and word is Woodson is the best at it.

dagawd
dagawd

Beno Udrih has requested a trade from the New York Knicks.


Udrih has been at odds with Mike Woodson for much of the season.


The Knicks will attempt to honor Udrih's request.


Udrih publicly questioned why he was the subject of criticism earlier this season.

"I kind of feel like when I do the right thing, it's not the right thing in some people's eyes. 


It's just tough. It's easy to point fingers when the team loses. But it comes down to, we are a team, we lose together. No matter who makes a mistake or who doesn't, it's still a team loss," Udrih said on Dec. 25. "So I think all of this stuff should be kept out of the media and not call certain people out or something. We've just got to go out there and fix it and watch video and fix it as a team."



League sources say the 31-year-old veteran communicated his wishes to the Knicks in recent days and the team will try to honor the request. Udrih signed with the Knicks over the summer for the veteran's minimum at $1.27 million. At the time, Udrih hoped to be a part of the Knicks' three point guard rotation along with Raymond Felton and Pablo Prigioni. ESPN

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“They out-schemed us,” Chandler said.


And really, how can it get any lower than that? Forget that those words — “they out-schemed us” — are the equivalent of spitting in coach Mike Woodson’s eye. Forget that Tiki Barber still enjoys the wrath of many Giants fans eight years after saying essentially the same thing about his own coach, Tom Coughlin. Forget that by being out-schemed by the Nets, it specifically means being out-schemed by Jason Kidd, who not long ago was being fitted for shoes comfortable enough to make it to the end of the gangplank.


Forget all of that. This is the worst part:


Chandler is right. Same as Anthony was right. And while it may bother your old-school soul to see such revolt among the rank-and-file, it is impossible to escape the reality the Knicks are slow to adjust, and they do look painfully out-schemed, especially on defense, when their constant switching and ill-fated doubling leave a relentless string of wide-open shooters whose mere openness now causes the Garden to groan, and loudly, before they ever even set themselves to shoot.


Which, invariably, they have all day to do.


“I don’t like to switch,” Chandler said, since, hell, once you’ve put your money on the table you might as well put all of it there. “Switching is always the last resort.”


And here’s where depressing turns downright distressing: Unlike two years ago, when the misery and the murmurs finally drove Mike D’Antoni away, even if what the Knicks’ bookend mouthpieces are trying to do is engineer a passive-aggressive mutiny, it isn’t likely to work.


For one thing, James Dolan has made it perfectly clear — twice — that he doesn’t want to fire Woodson, both declarations arriving at times when the Knicks had arrived in dark spaces similar to where they find themselves now. And Dolan is presently alighted in Los Angeles, where his new toy, the Fabulous Forum, reopened this week.


Plus, there remains the question of who would replace Woodson that would be an upgrade. Woodson has no Woodson on his staff, no ready-made replacement, no quick fix. If the Knicks are fixing to implode, it’s become abundantly clear it will likely happen with Woodson at the controls.


Adjusting or not.


Scheming or not.


“I don’t know how to deal with a situation like this,” Anthony said. “This is a first for me.”


The point guard has been awful, Ray Felton offering daily reminders why he’s as popular in Oregon as Curt Schilling is in Rhode Island. Chandler went 27 minutes before attempting his first field goal. How bad is it? J.R. Smith was a resounding positive. And now the coach has gotten another vote of no-confidence from one of his kitchen cabinet.


That’s what you call one hell of a bad week.

Ryan Postal
Ryan Postal

We've got to get someone to buy MSG. I like either Carl Icahn or Trump. Icahn would be miles better, and probably can spend more, but Trump would eat up the opportunity for the limelight. Apparently an Icahn group made an offer for the Knicks and Rangers back in 2005, but that was before MSG was its own public entity. A hostile takeover from Dolan is possible and I want Carl Icahn to be the man to do it. 

rgm891
rgm891

I hope Felton, JR Smith, Chandler, and Woodson demand trades.....

360ProMobile
360ProMobile

This is a PG driven league!!! 


We need a True Top 10 PG on this team! Bringing back Felton was a bad idea. 


He has a good character but this aint Mens Summer League at the Y

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Beno doesn't sound thrilled with absorbing blame from Woodson: "Don't just be a coach, be a person." — Steve Popper (@StevePopper) December 25, 2013

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“I kind of feel like when I do the right thing, it's not the right thing in some people's eyes,” Udrih said on Dec. 25. “It's just tough. It's easy to point fingers when the team loses. But it comes down to, we are a team, we lose together. No matter who makes a mistake or who doesn't, it's still a team loss. So I think all of this stuff should be kept out of the media and not call certain people out or something.” 


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-udrih-requests-trade-article-1.1586070#ixzz2r07XNXbj

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Has the time come for Dolan to drop the ax on the Woody?


A bit of Dolan firing history. He's had three coach go in mid-season, aside from Van Gundy who quit.

Don Chaney fired after 39 games and a 15-24 record.

Lenny Wilkens fired after 39 games and a 17-22 record.

Mike D'Antonio fired/resigned after 42 games and a 18-24 record.

Woody is at 15-26 after 41 games.

lindro88
lindro88

Why would Houston ever make that trade? They are one of the highest scoring teams in the league already. Jones is 22 and becoming a monster PF. Parsons is developing into a top 10 SF. These guys are young and cheap. Parsons went for 31/10/7 last night. They already have Harden. Houston wouldn't give up either of those two straight up for Melo.

zebeto
zebeto

Harden,Melo and D12...........does look like a formidable big 3 .............and most importantly they won't be in our EASTERN conferance .

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@Sandro Guedes It's a mess sandro but I covered that last night. If the staff doesnt get a hold of this it will just get worse. Must be some angry kids.

dagawd
dagawd

The blog staff is Terrible

chudogz1
chudogz1

@metropolitan. How's Shook Lopez doing? FOH

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

I hate to say it cus I like the kid! But Shump kinda sucks! And THJR is kind of a one dimensional volume shooter!

chudogz1
chudogz1

@kiyan carter. People that blame Melo, or Ewing for that matter, are bone heads. Neither one never had any "real" star to play besides, because all Dolan is worried about is filling the seats, so we never "rebuild"

360ProMobile
360ProMobile

@Kiyan Carter Lets talk in June when he leaves to LA, Chicago or even Brooklyn and we are stuck with nothing! 

nykallday
nykallday

Agree.i would let chandler stay if he was making 8 mill a yr not 14

nykallday
nykallday

Seriously for every 15 games he has one good game

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@360ProMobile 

Bringing back Felton was not a bad idea.  Bringing him back to play 35 mpg as a starter definitely was. 

Just another case of the Knicks putting their roster acquisitions in position to fail, asking them to perform well beyond their capabilities.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Knicks_Fanatic He should be pissed.  Beno isn't great but we did win 4 out of 5 to start the new year with him starting.  

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic 

At this point, I'd settle for Woodson "just being a coach"

tdzo
tdzo

Now is the time. Please. Dolan, don't let us down. 

Get rid of the entire coaching staff, not just Woodson.

zebeto
zebeto

@lindro88...cheap but for how long ????.......parsons and jones are gonna want to get paid soon .........and Osik is making 12-14 mil and sitting on the bench .


...I Think I would take Asik, terrance jones and a 2014 first round pick ........for Melo .

lindro88
lindro88

Give Hardaway some time. He's a rookie.

dagawd
dagawd

MelO is the greatest Knicks of all time
Ewing can't even hold his Jock.................

Chris
Chris

@zebeto I think you been smokin. They might be the last pick first round if you make that trade

lindro88
lindro88

@zebeto You really must be joking. Houston is good enough to make a run at the finals. They already have two max players and a go to scorer in Harden.  They have zero need for Carmelo.  

zebeto
zebeto

you think the rockets owner will be willing to pay the huge luxury tax that Procky is willing to pay?


zebeto
zebeto

@lindro88.. 2013-14 Salaries

Chandler Parsons$926,500


Terrence Jones$1,551,840

Parsons is on pace to get around 15-20 mil per , and Jones maybe around 15 per ...in their next contracts...I truly cant see how they can keep em all .........and if im not mistaken the poison pill part of lin and asik contract come up starting next year.

ps...wow cant believe how lil parsons is making ,,seriously underpaid !

zebeto
zebeto

@lindro88 Will Houston be able to keep both Parsons and Jones if they keep playing like they do ??


lindro88
lindro88

Houston has no need for Melo.

lindro88
lindro88

Please. The trade is so stupid it's not even worth discussing. No disrespect intended.