Knicks outclassed by the Heat

Harris Decker

Carmelo AnthonyLast nights loss to the Miami Heat seemed like a microcosm of the Knicks season. With the game within 4 points a few minutes into the 4th quarter, the Heat really went to work, slowing putting the Knicks away, as they attempted to hang on for dear life.

Dwayne Wade hit a few tough shots and then it was really on. The Knicks fell apart as the Heat opened up a 16-point lead. Tim Hardaway Jr., and Carmelo Anthony did their best to keep the Knicks in the game but when it really mattered, the Heat smothered the Knicks. It felt like the entire season was boiled into 1 game.

In order to beat the Heat, health is essential. The Knicks were without Amare Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert. Both would have been huge against a team like the Heat. Stoudemire could have worked the post, a rare weakness in the Heat defensive scheme and Shumpert likely would have played big minutes on Lebron James, keeping Anthony out of foul trouble.

It was agonizing to watch the team in the 4th quarter. The Heat seem like they are able to score at will from almost anywhere on the court while the Knicks failed to run plays. They continue to play one dimensional offense, letting Anthony or J.R. Smith hold the ball and working off of that isolation play. It worked against the Celtics. Not so much against the Heat. The blowout loss came at the end of a 4-game winning streak. The Knicks will try to get hot again in Milwaukee tomorrow.

57 comments
melo7
melo7

1. Am are played last night

2. Outclassed? Your a joke of a writer

3. We lost cuz of terrible pg play

4. Did you even watch the game it wasn't as much iso as it was Felton dribbling then passing it to Smith or Melo with 3 seconds left on the shot clock

5. You should be Fired

tifoso6
tifoso6

Poor point guard play and a poor coach and that is the whole story.  Miami's defensive rotations were so much better than ours it was funny.    Woodson is not up to this job.  How do you think this team would look with Thibs as the coach.   

bigdishing
bigdishing

"Outclassed"? I am not even sure what that means. 


Here's the story: Last night was a visit into a world that we don't really belong: bball at a high level. 

We have not yet conquered the world of mediocre basketball, beating the Raptors, Sixers, etc. Until we do that, we are not in the same conversation as the Heat and Pacers. "Shumpert would have been huge...." whatever. 


When this season ends in disappointment, as it most certainly will, we'll only look back at this game thinking what might have been. The real difference will be a dozen + losses to bad teams, many of them at home, and by double digits. To me, that's the story of the season. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

JR was injured most of last season...it has been reported that he should have opted for surgery during last season.  But, he choose to play 81 games instead and helped carried this team to 54 win. When Melo, Chandler, Shump, Felton, Amare, etc were all missing games due to injures...JR was the only player we could rely on to be available for every game.


By JR opting out of surgery, his injures became worse by the time he got to the playoffs against Indy...hence he neede surgery after the season


JR is a Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Dennis Rodman type player...mad talent, but a head case.  Those players are NBA champs under Phil and Pops.  JR can be a NBA champ with the right coach.


There is a reason why a great coach like Pops wanted JR on his team.  The right coach knows how to maximize talent and reduce the mental problems that comes along with it.

rkj473
rkj473

So first Harris writes in the post game write-up "the Knicks are just not a good team." Now he write the Knicks were "outclassed."


So going by your logic it would make sense to conclude the a team that is "not good" would be "outclassed" by the Heat because they are the better team.


Stop posting redundant stuff and get original ideas man. It' pretty sad that  you  take the same story and re-write it with a different headline.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Ummm didn't Amar'e play last night? Or did I imagine it? Shumpert wouldn't have prevented foul trouble for Melo bc Melo had 4 fouls before he even began guarding lebron.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

Well at least Indy got Bynum so the Heat can't get him, Indy can just sit him in the stands because he can't hurt them unless Indy decides to play him or allow him to be a cancer on the team.

lindro88
lindro88

Did he really write about the difference Amare and Shumpert would have made? The Knicks caught the Heat on the wrong night. They've been getting beaten a lot lately, and were not losing last night. Amare and Shumpert wouldn't have made any difference. Shumpert has had a terrible season, besides his big Texas trip. Neither of those two were the difference last night.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

"J.R. says athleticism not all the way back: If you watched the Knicks game on Thursday, you probably would think J.R. Smith's surgically-repaired knee is no longer an issue. After all, Smith threw down two highlight-reel dunks in the Knicks’ rout of Cleveland. 


But Smith said after the game that he still has room to improve. 

“I’ve still got a little bit to go, a lot of rehab left. Fortunately, it’s not bothering me as much as it was earlier on and hopefully it stays like that,” Smith said. “Before, I couldn’t really move around like I wanted to get to my moves, certain moves. Now I’m getting more comfortable and acclimated to it so I’m definitely getting more confident.” 

Smith has scored 16.4 points on 45 percent shooting in his past eight games."



It is crazy how all the JR haters overlook his injures, off-season surgery and still playing somewhat limited when y'all criticized his game.  How do y'all expect him to be in game shape at the start of the season, when he could not work on his game over the summer due to his knee surgery??  SMH 


ds2488
ds2488

We lost this game because our "pg" play is beyond pathetic and Tyson doesn't protect the rim anymore.  I don't get it with Tyson, when he first game here he was a monster around the rim, contesting every single shot in there.  Now, he almost never even bothers contesting.  


And don't even get me started on our "pg" play.  Ray is undoubtedly not only the worst starting pg in the NBA, but the worst starter in the NBA.  I've never seen a player that gives you so little on both ends of the floor.   

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

Somehow Woody needs to find minutes for Tyler.  This kids is only 22 y/o and has a lot of upside.  He plays with so much energy and has a decent  jump shot that we haven't utilized yet.  He would benefit from a summer of working out with the Dream.  I am glad we sign him for more than 1 year.


Tyler needs a coach that believes in him and will allow him to make a few mistakes.  I wish Amare would have stayed out until after the all-star break and allow Tyler to get more playing time.


The Knicks are 10-23 when Amare plays and 9-5 when he doesn't...facts!!

Buck50
Buck50

W ho would y'all rather have right now and why? Lin or Felton?

lindro88
lindro88

No one lost a right to anything. You aren't the voice of the fan base, just because you are the most vocal.

lindro88
lindro88

You think he Knicks are in the same class as the Heat? I agree Decker is an abomination as a writer, but let's be realistic. The Knicks are fighting to get into the Wizards class. They'd have zero chance of winning a series against Miami. I'd go so far as to say they'd lose to Miami even if Wade missed the whole series. As for the Pacers....they'd be fortunate to win a game.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@melo7  


1. He did play, just like 5 minutes, no impact except for one bucket.


2. Yes, they were. Miami played at half speed and turned it on when they wanted, excecuted flawlessly when it mattered most, exploited every weakness within Woodson's schemes, and made the team look extremely mediocre.


3. Yes, terrible PG play. When your coach only has 2 defensive schemes, and a great defensive scheme neutralizes both, you're pretty much screwed, now aren't you? And let's not pretend Felton's Chris Paul, and let's not pretend Woodson has tinkered with his offense to help his PG's run the team in a smoother fashion.


4. Everyone was dribbling. The offense was a disaster because of Miami's great D and Woodson's extremely limited vision of the game. 

- By his standards, Melo had his worst game of the season, and his endless turnovers helped Miami have a ton of points in transition. JR and Timmy were the high points offensively. No one else gets a pass. 

- The point you make about the passes to JR and Melo, it's been like that all season long, and Melo bails the team out as much as he can. Yesterday wasn't the case. That's how Woodson's deviced this offense. No turning back, no denying that. A better PG could create for himself and give the offense more variables than Woodson presents, but this isn't the case.


5. It's a blog, we're not expecting expertise analysis. Chill.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@bigdishing  We were outclassed.

Pain and simple.

For a while it seemed like the Knicks could hang around (mostly because Timmy and JR had efficient offensive games), but when it came to get with the program and play serious ball, Miami showed that they're on another level and executed perfectly on both ends, exploiting the multiple flaws this team presents.


- Spo knew perfectly that this team's offense is based on the P&R and isolation sets (in other words, a very simple, one dimensional offense). Trap the P&R and avoid the iso, and bam, you've just neutralized the tremendously basic Knick offense.

- Also, those same smarts saw that the Knicks' defensive "schemes" (because they aren't really that) are very easy to break down and exploit, and he did just that.


Knicks played hard, despite their struggles, and managed to make it look respectable, but when it mattered, they showed the league they're in.

Had Allen made a couple of more threes this could've been an embarassing blowout.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@zdiddy4nyk  

Yes, Popovich won a ring with Stephen Jackson back in the day.  That still didn't stop Pop from cutting Jack last season right before the playoffs. 

By the way, there is also a reason no team offered JR a sizeable contract after winning 6MOY.

bigdishing
bigdishing

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Shumpert would have taken minutes away from Hardaway and JR, both of whom can at least score. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@SheSaidSpikeWho Come on you know it usually takes STATues 4 weeks to get back to his usual self.  Then we can start the criticism of his usual self as being an issue. Then he will get hurt again soon and the cycle starts again,

rkj473
rkj473

@zdiddy4nyk  Also if he was hurting, why did the "coach" keep running him out there for 30+ minutes game after game. It's doesn't make any sense.


Sure the injury could have affected something he did on the basketball court, but making low IQ plays have nothing to do with a surgically repaired knee.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk  

So Smith issues are just because of his injury really?  What about the end of last season and the playoffs?  If you submit "Mental injury" as a defense, I'm with ya playa!

lindro88
lindro88

Half the teams in the league have backup pg's, better than Felton. Not exaggerating. Look what's been going on when starting PGs are getting injured. Teams aren't missing a beat.

sammysauna
sammysauna

@ds2488   Delonte West is playing well and minutes in China. He is somewhat nuts but probably better than Felton at this point. Any takers? Reaching but Felton is so inconsistant.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@ds2488  It is difficult to protect the rim when Tyson is guarding a jump shooting big like Bosh.  Bosh pulls Tyson from the paint, leaving Melo to gaurd the paint.


Small ball is just not how you win against very good teams...period!!

sammysauna
sammysauna

@zdiddy4nyk  Would be nice if any of the Knicks even tried to hit Tyler rolling to the basket vs Heat. All I remember is one pass to him with the shot clock running down for a rushed jumper attempt. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Buck50  Lin at $3 - $4 mill would be ok...not at $15 mill next year.  Lin is a back up PG behind Beverly.


Felton at $4 mill is far better than Lin at $15 mill next year...fact!!


Lin is way overpaid as a back up PG...fact!!

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@rkj473 @zdiddy4nyk  When you are struggling physically, it is harder to stay focus mentally.  Plus, JR is not a high IQ player to begin with..

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@rkj473 @zdiddy4nyk  I did not say the coach was smart to play him while he was suffering.  This coach doesnot know what buttons to push at the right time.  Did you want JR to tell him he was not going to play when the coach call is name.  You would be the first guys killing JR for that...stop!!


I am saying JR has been playing at less than 100% and that has a lot to do with his poor performance this season...fact!!

melo7
melo7

@xmenreturn uh dumbazz yeah it has a lot to do witht the playoffs because he was INJURED and needed surgery

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@xmenreturn @zdiddy4nyk  JR played 81 games last year injured and played the most minutes of every player on the team.  JR was the most reliable player as far as availability all year. He really should have sit, because he played he was playing hurt and being over-played by Woody.

By the Indy series, JR was very injured...but he still tried to give us something.


Yeah, I would trade him for a better SG ASAP...but, we are over the cap and had no way to sign a better player to replace our 2nd best player off our 54 win team.


Yeah, it is more than injures with JR...but, JR's hater overlook how much injures has affected his game and only focus on the other stuff.


Physical injury was the biggest problem with JR against Indy and at the start of this season.  He has mental issue as well...fact!!

lindro88
lindro88

Come on Sandro, you are better than this. Dragic is playing at an all star level. They are getting great production from Plumlee and the Morris Brothers. They have beaten Indiana twice, and are a playoff team in the West. Why on earth would they make that knd of trade.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Sandro Guedes @ds2488  I doubt the Suns wants JR.  Plus, I don't think the Suns would give up Dragic, Okafor expiring contract and a 2014 first round pick for Chandler, Felton and JR.


That is a Knicks homer trade.  If Isiah or Walsh was their GM, then they would give us a trade like that..

lindro88
lindro88

This is a bad roster. If they want to avoid the disaster of missing the playoffs and watching Denver take our lottery pick, they'll stick with the small lineup. They aren't playing for a ring anymore, they are trying to avoid disaster. The small lineup is the best one this roster has. They need to just focus on beating Milwaukee next game and forget about losing to Miami.

lindro88
lindro88

Wrong. Felton is a liability. I don't care if he was playing for free.

lindro88
lindro88

Lin put up a triple double Saturday night. He's a backup on a top Western team that doesn't need a scoring PG. Whenever Harden sits, Lin goes off. He's twice the player Felton is despite the fact he's not an elite player

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@xmenreturn @zdiddy4nyk @rkj473  A smart coach would let him heal properly and not play him all those minutes.  Playing a player so much minutes only complicate things.  It takes away a player's confidence when he is put in situation that leads to him failing.

Especially, a guy like JR with mental issue should never be put in a situation that when he can't perform up to his ability.

rkj473
rkj473

@zdiddy4nyk @rkj473  You cannot use Woody and smart in the same sentence. We all know he has his short comings as a "coach" (I thought he should have been fired weeks ago.) However, it's his duty as a coach to realize that a player is not playing well a restrict some of the things he is doing on the court: whether that is limiting the minutes he plays, or have in situations where he might be successful.


But to watch him struggle for much of the season while the team lost games should have told him something is up and thus limit stuff he does.


Now sure fans overreact when a player is not playing to the level he is capable of and they would go as far to say he is using the injury to make an excuse for his bad play or possibly not wanting to play if his number is called. 


Both JR and Woodson should be blamed for his struggle earlier, simple as that. More blame on the coach for being completely oblivious to the fact the JR wasn't helping the team at that point and kept running him out there.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @rkj473I would hope that one of them (JR or Woody) would figure out that calling JR name would yield poor decision and poor results most of the time.  If it's all about injury then let the guy heal so that he can be effective as soon as possible so he can really contribute.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk @xmenreturnI hear ya but Rhianna says JR type of injury started at the clubs during the playoffs. Ya think Justin Beiber and his crew egged him there? 

JR has always had talent even before coming here but he is a head case if not checked by the coach or his team.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Sandro Guedes @zdiddy4nyk @ds2488  That is why he has value to other teams...he has an expiring contract.  Just like how you want him to get us out of our cap situation, other teams value him the same way.


When you propose a trade, it has to make sense to both teams...not, just the Knicks!!

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@Sandro Guedes @zdiddy4nyk  LeBron and Battier are the same height as Melo.

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I am afraid that you are wrong but it isnt the first time... Take a look at the game last night and look at carmelo next to lebron. Lebron looks so much taller and bigger than him. So if Carmelo is really 6'8 which I dont think he is then lebron has to be at least 6'9.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@zdiddy4nyk @Sandro Guedes  

Any of those measurements has to be taken with a grain of salt.  Guys often grow an inch after coming into the league.  Carmelo's wingspan (7 ft) is also greater than Battier's.  Silly to argue over 1 inch here.  Everyone knows those draft day measurements are innacurate a lot of the times.


Sandro is right - you're fixated on this "small-ball" thing, but the problem is the roster.  It's not built for "big-ball".  It's not built for "small-ball".  Will the team advance far in the playoffs with "small-ball"?  NO.  But this team plays BETTER when they play "small-ball" ....fact!!!  

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Sandro Guedes @zdiddy4nyk  True they play with shoes.  Melo is 6'7.5" with shoes.  Battier is 6'9.5" with shoes.


Melo is shorter than both guys...period!!  There are SG in the NBA that are truly taller than Melo...like Joe Johnson.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Sandro Guedes @zdiddy4nyk  Battier is 6'8.25 without shoes, Lebron is 6'7.25" without shoes and Melo is 6"6.25" without shoes...facts!!


The NBA always change people height...period!!


Melo plays like he is bigger than his height, so people thinks he is taller than what his true height.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Sandro Guedes @zdiddy4nyk  The heat does not play two 6 foot PG in their backcourt.  Plus, Battier, Lebron are both taller than Melo and protect the rim better.


Prig is not Kidd at 6'4" and a very good rebounder and defender of SG.