On the Knicks’ recent surge

Sam Spiegelman

If you’re having trouble recognizing the Knicks who took down the defending NBA champion Heat Thursday night, you’re not alone.

The Knicks have won four of their past give games — including games against San Antonio and Dallas — playing a different brand of basketball then they were earlier in the season. In addition, they’re finally getting help from players not named Carmelo Anthony.

According to ESPN Stats & Info, the three major elements of the Knicks’ recent turnaround are the emergence of Iman Shumpert, improved defense and better looks on the offensive end.

Shump, named this week’s Knicks Blog Player of the Week, has shot better than 50 percent over the past five games, and as a team the Knicks are outscoring opponents by 58 points with Shumpert on the floor.

Over the past five games, Shumpert has averaged almost 16 points, 6.2 rebounds and 2.8 assists. Of course, against the Spurs he set a career-high with 27 points.

Onto the defense, which is supposed to be head coach Mike Woodson’s forte. The Knicks have helped opponents to 92 points per game during this five-game stretch, more than seven points fewer than they allowed in the first 30 games.

Interestingly enough, Tyson Chandler’s respiratory illness has kept him out for the majority of these games.

Finally, the Knicks offense is getting easier looks on the offensive end. The team is averaging 6.5 more points per 100 possessions over the last five games, and about four more points in the paint per game than they did during the first 30 games.

Can the defense hold up? Will Shumpert continue to be a reliable contributor? And will the offense continue to make points in the paint a focus? The next three games are against teams with records below .500 before showdowns with the Indiana Pacers, Los Angeles Clippers and Brooklyn Nets.

79 comments
akamarb
akamarb

This might sound weird as a die hard Knick fan, but im actually glad that the Nets are winning...I want them in the playoffs so  we can beat them at their full strenght and at their best...


And the lesson learned once again that happens EVERY year is that the NBA is a marathon not s sprint....the "feel good" teams of early season such as the sixers / celtics ect...are now falling into their respective "$hit" positions...No one is calling Brad Stevens a genius anymore after they just lost 7 straight - thats why it was funny hearing people say that Boston wasnt taking...it is OBVIOUS they are tanking because Ainge isnt stupid...and I think we all know how the standings will be at the end of the year ( not matter how its looking now )


1. Pacers    2. Heat              Tier 1

3. Knicks    4. Nets              Tier 2


Pistons / Hawks / Wizards / Cavs Tier 3  / ( Bulls cannot be considered a top team cause of the Deng trade )


so know we all know that as long as we finish in any of the top 4 seeds ( whuch we will because we are only about 4 games out with a little less then 50 GAMES remaining ) so this means - we will have home court for a first round and will WIN a first round series ... and ill take my chances vs Heat and Nets ANY DAY....Pacers are a different story because we dont match up goodagainst them


So at the blink of any eye - just by looking a little forward we will almost no doubt repeat the success of last year ( even though we will have a lot less regular season wins ) ...


yet just two weeks ago - by many of the so called "knick fans" on this blog - we were ready to dump the season....not re-sign melo...Fleton was the worst pg in the east...STAT was done and should have retired...and Bargniani was soft and we should have kept NOVAK ...


amazing what a few quality wins do and how it exposes the weasels on this site ( which is about 75 percent of this blog )...you losers should switch to watching the nets / fake a$s fans - truly disgusting

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

Would you Trade Chandler and JR to Chicago for Noah and Hinrich? 

that would give us a Ring for sure. 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

It took double OT, Lebron, AND Wade to be out for the Nets to claw out a victory.  Pathetic.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

The struggle against a Wade-less team coming off of a game the night before is real for the Nets.  HaHa

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Wow...who shot ya playing in the background...makes anybody put the ball in the basket...

illmatix
illmatix

James is such a fake tough guy

brookdon
brookdon

Heat making Joe Johnson look like Jordan

po_diddley
po_diddley

I build wells in Africa and feed poor, starving children; therefore, I can be an a$$hole. 

brookdon
brookdon

lol now the media story is that te Heat have appeared disinterested this season. Can't make this ish up lol.

SuperDuper
SuperDuper

Everyone complains about PG (so do I) but to me, it really comes down to SG. SG job is to score. Last yr it was JR. This yr I expected Shump. Both started out missing lots of shots shooting 30ish% and scoring 6 pts between the two. It is no coincidence that Shump is scoring and Knicks are playing better.

ds2488
ds2488

Just to be clear...There is little that Woody can do at this point to convince me he's a competent "coach" that can take us far in the playoffs.  I still think they should fire this terrible "coach" and I don't think he deserves much credit for doing things that should have been done weeks ago weeks late.  A better coach would have benched JR earlier, limited Ray's minutes when he was clearly hurt and hurting the team, do a better job instilling confidence in players like Shump and Beno, not consistently throw people under the bus, and do a better job of adapting to his talent and getting them to play to their strengths.


Even if Woody ends up being a good coach down the stretch, I'll have trouble forgiving his awful "coaching" to begin this season.  I think with a real coach, as I've said all along, this team is .500 or above right now.

Marvel
Marvel

This is tkb from 2 or 3 years ago.. every post /thread is "posative" Knicks fan vs "negative "vs "real " vs "fake" lol..


WE ARE ALL FANS.. BEEN POSTING HERE FOR 5 YEARS, SEEN MANY COME AND GO... ONLY METRO was fake lol



I called out woody, wanted to trade shump, wanted more run for murry /thJR, hate on Amare, don't think Melo is worth 130 mil,  wanted Jr's role reduced a long time ago, hate iso ball, etc etc etc... 

point is I can debate with most but at the end of the day, agree or disagree, this is MY TEAM..


PERIOD




smiggybalz
smiggybalz

From the guy who was ready to give Shump away for nothing.It is YOU who are the fair weather fan.they win a few games,and all of a sudden they are one the best teams in the league.You and your posts are a joke.Felton still sucks.One good game can't possibly change that.How dare you judge other fans as fake,when just 5 games changes your whole view of the team.ignorance is not an excuse,and there is no excuse for you

chudogz
chudogz

@akamarb. LOL... Felton had one good game all season... He's like 28th in the league in assists... I'm just sayin

Chris
Chris

@akamarb Okay, last game we saw good Ray, you want to go game by game and see how many good Ray`s vs bad Rays we have seen. At best he is erratic at worst he is a ball stopping terrible defender, that is prone to non thinking turn overs. He shows up to camp fat and out of shape, gets one injury after another, plays one good game and everyone should bow down to his greatness? Amarie has no lateral movement, and he too is a ball stopper. His defense is subpar at best. When he and Bargs are on the court at the same time we have no rim protection. We have won some games, and we are playing harder, the biggest reason we are winning is good shooting, and better perimeter defense because we are switching less. Are there trolls on this site, of course, but there are as many problems with this team as their are trolls on the site. The winning does not preclude the ownership being unsable at best, or that the coaching is about as creative as your post. We have a drunk as our first man off the bench, that only gets benched after the league (not the team, not the coach) sits on him for being a jerk. Get real

lindro88
lindro88

This is one of the more entertaining posts I've read on here this season. I like the part about tier 1 and tier 2. Lol. Who is in tier 3? Oh my bad. You list tier 3.

akamarb
akamarb

the bulls wouldnt even do Noah for Chandler straight up...at the minimum they would want Shumpert


would you do Chandler Shumpert for Noah and Hinrich ??


if the Knicks - I wouldnt do that...

illmatix
illmatix

That's one hard beat...never gets old

smiggybalz
smiggybalz

Could you please just stop being stupid?no?i didn't think so

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@BiggieSmalls 

The "iso" criticism is sometimes overblown.  Good ball movement stems from defensive breakdowns, which in turn can stem from isolation double-teams.  (And "iso" always looks better when said player is surrounded by great shooters.)   

Any issues I'd have would be more with where and when Carmelo is receiving the ball.  Hand him the ball at the 3-pt line with 7 seconds on the clock?  Bad.  Get up the floor quickly and have Carmelo set a ball-screen before flashing to the low block, with 15 seconds on the clock?  Good.

melo7
melo7

He was like I will knock you out hold me back hold me back

dagawd
dagawd

So he only scored 4 pts since, damnn

dagawd
dagawd

He's been Jordan Lite,,,,,,,,

lindro88
lindro88

They have. You think they are gonna be up for a game in Sacramento during the 1st half of the season?

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@brookdon 

That seems reasonable after back-to-back championships ... hard to get up for regular season games after that epic 7-game series against the perenially contending Spurs.

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee You're the one who always brings him up.  People are just responding with facts.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@ds2488  

In the playoffs, you don't get 30 games to make the requisite adjustments ... lol.  

The key moving forward will be Woody placing team needs above individuals.  There is no need to treat Ray and JR as star players.  The team is deep but lacks RELIABLE players, so Woody will have to find the right starting unit and then adjust lineups and minutes for the remainder of the game according to the supporting cast members who offer advantages during that particular game.  Some nights that will be Bargs+K-Mart getting the bulk of the bench big-man units, other nights it will be Ray+Amar'e running P&R, other nights it will be Hardaway Jr. spacing the floor, etc.   

It will be a tough balancing act between in-game adjustments and allowing players to develop a rhythm over the long-term, but everybody on the team needs to STAY READY when their number is called. 

Chris
Chris

@Jerry Gee Had we sined him to that absurd contract we would be in cap prison forever, then what?

angelbx
angelbx

@Jerry Geereally, so you would sit a guy with heart, soul and total commitment to the team (felton) for mr.85 % ? Says a lot about you  Mr Jerry gee.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Marvel 

This place is so strange with this ongoing battle between the "negative nancies" and "positive pansies".  I understand both views, and isn't it obvious that both sides are really passionate about the Knicks?  

I get why the pansies dislike the never-ending negativity, derogatory Carmelo nicknames, and but also understand why nancies hate the delusional championship predictions, Carmelo stans (never breathe a word of criticism in Carmelo's direction here or suggest he may not be worth $130M ...), and "Player X is BACK" proclamations.  On many threads there is literally more commentary complaining and calling out other commenters than the Knicks team!!!  Trolls on both sides.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Chris @akamarb Chris, you can't talk about Ray being erratic this year because he has literally been injured with a ham string injury since training camp.  He has not been 100 percent. Ray is not elite PG or even a really good one, but when healthy he is not erratic at all.  He usually puts up pretty steady numbers.  Its Woodson's fault for playing him so much and not letting him get healthy.

lindro88
lindro88

@chris. Well said. A starting PG gets his 2nd double digit assist game of the season and all of a sudden the problem is solved.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Tell that to Mike Scotty and the three peat bulls...both groups.

Chris
Chris

@BiggieSmalls And he makes the playoffs and gets badly out coached again? Then what

rico
rico

@DolanitisDr amazing how the new age of speed and technology has brought us all together :)

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Kiyan Carter PGs gotta get up the floor quickly.  No point in Melo and the bigs sprinting upcourt quickly and establishing post position early if the PG ain't there to get them the ball early.

lindro88
lindro88

Miami is gonna get there shot at a 3rd straight. I doubt these two losses in January are gonna keep Pat Riley up at night.

Chris
Chris

@Jerry Gee What you say is correct to a point. Lin had several problems imo, he held the ball too long ( I know that might have been on Coachie) he is a subpar on ball defender, (I also know so is Ray) and the contract he signed would have really not have helped us to bring in a FA or 2 in 15. Ray is not the solution, but neither is Lin

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee@1harris1 Ouch!  Good one, Jerry.


I'm sorry that your beloved Jeremy Lin was let go.  Well, maybe the Nets will trade for him.  Then you can root for him again and marvel at his high IQ.  And since they won't get past the first round anyway, the amount of games your boy will miss due to  "injury" will be limited.     

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee@1harris1 Okay, then I will continue to trash the guy for being soft and not worth the money it would have taken to bring him back. It works both ways.

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee: Okay, then heed your own words.  No more crying about Jeremy Lin having been worth a billion dollars.


Let's talk about the point guards who are here.

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee@1harris1 On second thought, keep on spewing your nonsense clown.  It makes for great comedy.

I take back everything I said.  Please don't go.

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee@1harris1 Good.  How about doing everybody a favor and ignoring the blog in full?


Go on the Rockets blog.  Word is, they're big Jeremy Lin fans over there.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@DolanitisDr I just get p¨ssd off (not really, just a bit bugged with an ironic laugh) whenever he's brought up.

No kncock on the kid, he's a good player and what not, but he's not a Knick, what's the point in bringing him up?


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Jerry Gee @VerySilentJay Yes, the same who Houston wanted to trade 2 months after signing.

- The one who lost his spot to a D Leaguer in Beverly.

- The one who doesn't "do playoffs"

- The one who isn't trusted by his coach in 4th qtr situation and prefers, wait for it, yes, Aaron Brook, you got it, the All-Star

- The one who hasn't attracted one GM in over a year and a half (that's how long they've been looking to trade him)


That's the one.

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee@1harris1 LOL!  You're the idiot on this blog who is always bringing Lin up.  And you're telling others to move on?  Comical.


And you still haven't answered my question which I posed to you a few days ago.  If your boy is so great, how come his current team has been trying to trade him all season?


I'm still waiting for your answer, fool.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Jerry Gee @1harris1 

It's weird - there is this group of Knicks fans that claims to hate Lin and implore everyone to "move on" ... yet they continue to follow his career and make Lin-related posts on Knick blogs when Lin fails/has a bad game, lol....

Isn't it funny?  One such poster brings Lin into this conversation, and here you already have others piling on, lol.  Cracks me up.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Jerry Gee Not really. He was about getting paid!!

He wasn't gonna allow Chalmers and Cole to strip him clean and make him look like a D Leaguer in the playoffs.

Not twice.

Let alone 4 times.


That could kill his value!!

1harris1
1harris1

@Jerry Gee LMAO!  Mr 85% had no interest in playing against Miami in that series.  There was nothing for any doctor to "clear".  Lin knew MIami would embarrass himself just like they had earlier in the season.


And what was the big injury that kept him out of the playoffs last year?  A chest pull?  LMAOOOOOOO!


For once, just try to stop being a clown..