Knicks win, Hawks loss put Knicks into 8th seed in the East

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meloin5
meloin5

Leadership starts from the top. Phil's presence has the team in unison which is essential for success.  The Coach is onboard and is now auditioning for a gig somewhere else; Melo is continuing to lead by example and his teammates are following him. Chips are on the horizon  Mel will be King of NY within 5 years. 

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Knicks number 1 offense in the last 15 games in the NBA Defense not so much:


Over that 15-game span, the Knicks have averaged 112.8 points per 100 possessions. That’s seven points higher than their season mark. Extrapolated over a full season, it would give the Knicks the top offense in the NBA.

On defense, New York is allowing 106.2 points per game. That’s right around its rate for the season and would rank in the bottom third league-wide. But the Knicks’ differential of +6.7 is nearly eight points higher than their season average.

In other words, they’re playing extremely well over the past 15 games. 


espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/55603/opening-tip-make-noise-in-playoffs



MeloStat301
MeloStat301

First it was Paul George saying the Knicks defensive switching disrupted their offensive sets...now its Deron Williams giving credit to the knicks switching causing problems for their offense:


“They switched it a lot,” Williams said. “Offensively we got stagnant and they took us out of our sets with their aggressiveness. We weren’t moving the ball around like we normally do.”

Pierce summed it up.

“Right now it’s about us getting better, win or lose, and tonight we didn’t get better,” he said.


Baffling.

tifoso6
tifoso6

We can already see the Phil Jackson effect.  All season long Woodson has been screaming at Shumpert every time he made a mistake and undercut his confidence.   Now that Jackson has arrived we can the real Snumpert, great on defense and more creative on offense then expected.  Thank you Phil.    Woody you are too dense to understand how  you have screwed up.

CiceAsNice
CiceAsNice

Finally Shump and JR and playing like we expected at the start of the year!  We would have won 50+ games, but for some reason they all regressed, including Felton.  Like Chandler said, and I paraphrase, 'Someone is in trouble'!

rico
rico

Looks like we've got ourselves a horserace! :)

frankieboy
frankieboy

I Hope Phil Jackson sticks around. Hi presence and whatever talks he gives them must be a boost. 


Im hoping Both Friday and Sunday keep this level of D up and we start making some noise . You want to peak about now and NYK  needs that 

franktkb
franktkb

I know it's not real but psychologically I like seeing us in the playoff spot.

johneco
johneco

If you judge us based on how we've looked recently, we're one of the best teams in the east...


Admit it, we're finally playing like we all hoped.

Anti_u
Anti_u

I just realized the Cavs are only 2 back. Plus, they have an easier schedule than both us and the Hawks.

melo7
melo7

Jr is gunna make up for last year and ball out in the playoffs watch woop woop

bigdishing
bigdishing

The one seed in the East could get NY and Chicago. 2nd seed gets charlotte and toronto. So much for "winning" the conference. 

bigdishing
bigdishing

Before tonight's game, Knicks were 3/1 odds to make the playoffs (you'd bet 1 buck to win 3). The Hawks were 1/5 (bet 5 to win 1) to make the playoffs. 


But, the Knicks were 40/1 to win the East outright (same as Toronto). Hawks were 250/1. 


Isaac Miller
Isaac Miller

anyone think we can beat the heat in 7? we playing well and always play the heat tough.

Isaac Miller
Isaac Miller

I dont understand. do we make the playoffs right now? were percentage points above Atlanta but still a game under in the loss column.

Angelo Roldan
Angelo Roldan

Well, the Knicks are still one game back in the loss column, which is what's most important. They're still technically behind Atlanta. Unfortunately.

darealeric
darealeric

Right, they can beat just about anyone EXCEPT any team above .500

darealeric
darealeric

Not sure what you mean. The second I tuned in, I immediately witnessed 3 consecutive turnovers either by Melo's repeated ISO failures or a result of them.

This team still has zero chemistry and are a clumsy mess. At least we have THjr as the lone bright spot on a team of low IQ players.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ Biggie. Big wins against Golden State without Lee and Bogut, and beating the Nets without Garnett and Lopez aren't as big of wins as advertised! H

That being said: GO KNICKS

darealeric
darealeric

Only a moron like you with such a low IQ as the team itself, would think this team resembles how basketball should be played. They were running around on defense like a bunch of undisciplined clowns at the circus. The Nets kept making the extra pass, just couldn't hit shots.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Wait til the Wiz and Heat find out that we are running the Triangle already!   Please don't tell anybody else Biggie! 

darealeric
darealeric

Biggest win of the season? LMFAO. What a buffoon statement. Lets see what happens April 15th when THAT game may truly decide our fate.

darealeric
darealeric

Right, and all these baffling compliments are going to be so significant and meaningful when we either miss the playoffs or get swept in the 1st rd. glad clowns like you are focusing on Woodson's brilliant switching techniques now.

Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

@MeloStat301 Not really. Many teams switch but there is a difference between aggressive, intelligent switching at the proper time vs lazy automatic switching because a player is too lazy to fight over a pick.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Biggie Its a beautiful thing to see...on one play in that set..melo fed the ball to stat in the post..forcing Johnson to help on stat for a sec, stat gave It back to melo, as melo quickly gave it back to stat, as he spun baseline around plumlee for an open dunk, but plumlee hacked him...great sequence.  Only thing is...when teams catch on to the little wrinkles the knicks are doing, how will we adjust..thats what I want to see.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@johneco 12-3 I believe since the lineup change..or 12-4...but def. maing a difference.

1harris1
1harris1

But they also lose the tie breaker to both us and the Hawks, based upon conference record. So in the span of 7 games for them, they have to completely leapfrog two teams, one who they're three back in the loss column; the other where they're two back. Doubtful.

johneco
johneco

@bigdishing I hear ya, but there's home court advantage for ECF.  I really don't think Miami and Indiana think any of the other teams are real competition, so what you're saying is not that important to them.  Whereas, especially Indiana, is dying for HCA against Miami.

lindro88
lindro88

No. They'll lose in 4 or 5.

bigdishing
bigdishing

@Isaac Miller  Technically we are now the eighth seed. But we don't control our own destiny. But really, who does? 

johneco
johneco

@Angelo Roldan The loss column is NOT more important than the win column.  The loss column is more important for teams over .500 (typically all teams in a playoff positioning race), since losses are more rare in that case and take more games to make up (example: for two .800 teams, if one has one more win, but also one more loss - the other team on average will win 4 more games before they get one more loss, so they are in better position).  I don't think this argument applies for Atlanta, which is a .400 team and recently even worse.  If anything, the win column is more important against them. 


MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@darealeric Contrary to what you say, you obviously didn't see the game, THE NETS WERE NOT MAKING THE EXTRA PASS.  I Rather take Deron Williams words over yours:


"We weren’t moving the ball around like we normally do.” 

And why weren't they??  Let Deron tell you



“They switched it a lot,” Williams said. “Offensively we got stagnant and they took us out of our sets with their aggressiveness."


Aggressivenesss was the key.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Not focusing on it, just pointing out that when executed correctly its not a totally bad scheme at all.  He shuld in corporate more ideas..like a 2.9 defense..or a strong-side box defense like thibbs....or sag man to man...again...I didn't say those comments,....it was Paul George and Deron Williams giving credit to the switching for causing problems, take it for what it is.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie @MeloStat301  

So what you're saying is that even Woodson agrees with many of those fans who complained that the team has been switching screens too much?


Yes, everyone switches in the NBA.  But it is typically left as a last resort (outside of many 2 through 4 switches which may not be so unfavorable).  There must be some communication issues if Felton and Prigs are just now getting over screens, after 2+ years with Woodson.

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

@Biggie @MeloStat301 I would credit our defensive aggressiveness more than our switching. if you watched the game you saw Tyson guarding Deron Williams most of the second half on a simple high screen and roll that Felton didn't try to go through even a little bit. Jason Kidd was just screaming run a high screen cause Felton settles to be switched off of. It was embarrassing really and I feel like Brooklyn got a lot of the looks they wanted. Props to Shump for keepin it real though.

Oh and you do know it is not just the guards responsibility to get through a screen. A big part of defending the pick and roll is for the big man to hedge the opposing point guard till his defender can get back to covering him. Watch any Spurs game to see this flawlessly even though they don't have big time defenders. Look at what they did to Steph Curry last night making him look average. All this should be taught.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Biggie @MeloStat301 Switching is also a great way to trap PnR's...I think the key is the aggressiveness the knicks are bringing to the scheme that makes a big difference.

johneco
johneco

@1harris1 Yea, but don't tell Cleveland that till after Friday's game.

Isaac Miller
Isaac Miller

thats right anything is possible but realistically I think we go down in 7 but fight tough and maybe have a shot to win

Isaac Miller
Isaac Miller

haha true but we can win the rest of our games. thats some control

cstaylor23
cstaylor23

It always comes down to the lose column. There's no arguing that if you have more loses you aren't in. If you're tied in the lose column then tie breakers kick in. No one ever discusses the win column when talking about 7th or 8th place in the NBA.

johneco
johneco

@cstaylor23

> No one ever discusses the win column

That's because it's usually winning teams fighting for playoff position.  Loss column is more important for winning teams, win column is more important for losing teams (like when tanking).  Us and Atlanta are losing teams.