Let’s forget about the 2013 season. It’s 2014 now!

Harris Decker

Basketball, unlike baseball and football, has a season that encompasses two years. If the Mets stink in 2013, they might turn things around in 2014. We can forget about a year entirely.

Basketball doesn’t have that same luxury. None of us thought that we would be ringing in 2014 with the Knicks at 9-21, looking at a tough road ahead.

Over the next few weeks, the Knicks face some tough challenges. None might be harder than tonight’s matchup in San Antonio. After the Spurs, they take on the Rockets, Mavericks, Pistons and Heat, all in the next nine days.

Despite the horrible start and the myriad of pointless storylines involving Chris Smith, the Knicks sit six games behind the division leading Toronto Raptors. They have 21 losses, the same amount as the Brooklyn Nets and the Philadelphia 76ers.

I’m here to say, let’s forget the rules… Let’s forget that basketball seasons span two calendar years… The Knicks still have the ability to contend in the Eastern Conference and this Knicks fan is ready to say, so long 2013, it’s time for 2014!

122 comments
bockers
bockers

@KnickFanatic  DR J  In two varsity college basketball seasons, he averaged 32.5 points and 20.2 rebounds per game, becoming one of only five players to average more than 20 points and 20 rebounds per game in NCAA Men'sBasketball

fasheezee
fasheezee

I really don't like calling folks weak-minded so I'll just say short-sighted. There are a whole lot short-sighted people commenting today about Melo. They remind me of the movie the Ten Commandments. Moses PARTED THE RED SEA! The people worshipped him. Then as soon as some adversity struck, they deserted him. Human nature is something to behold. It can be ugly at times.

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

In the next 2 weeks, the raptors could be running away with the division. The time is coming to consider trading Melo. This guy cares more about image and money then doing what it takes to win a championship. It's time to move on from Melo. 


The schedule isn't in our favor to turn things around until the end of Jan when we have 8 straight home games and even that doesn't look that easy, but it's a lot easier then we have the next few weeks.

Matty B
Matty B

Melo and JR for Blake and Crawford

nykwtfman
nykwtfman

I was a big fan of bringing Melo to the Knicks but I did think they gave up way too much for a player who wanted to come to NY as much as NY wanted him and with Denver out of options because I feel Melo would have vetoed a trade to the Nets.  And now a few years later I see him as one of the better players in the NBA and I'm always involved in some debate as why he's better than this player or that player and I hate to hear different, but I got to admit that I cringe and find myself disappointed every time I look at the score box and see 2 maybe 3 assists during a game and sometimes no assists and that reality bothers me.  It shows a player who doesn't look to share the ball as much as he should, and I know he finds himself passing the ball to teammates who either can't shoot or are afraid to do so, but even then he should be able to get 4 or 5 assists on bad nights and no less than 8 rebounds per game.  And lately, after being on of the most clutch in the league with he game on the line, 2nd to Kobe with game winners, he's been killing the clock and clanking jump shots and leaving no time in case of a miss because and never driving to the hoop where he may make the shot and/or get fouled.  And as I write this I hate to admit these facts with Melo being from NY and half Puerto Rican, but I need to keep it real and say if we don't build besides him as opposed to around him, all that sacrifice will have been for nothing!

nykwtfman
nykwtfman

sad thing is the Knicks aren't tanking and yet they are losing because they are not good enough but we will have nothing to show for it as opposed to teams that have tanked on purpose and got themselves good lottery picks! smdh!

rico
rico

Here's an idea.

Since almost every team has team -crippling injuries, (like every team) 

the NBA should consider expanding the rosters to one or two more players and upping the salary cap commensurate  with the expansion.  This would mean that there has to be $ set aside for one more minimum, and one medium level contract..  



saintknick
saintknick

When the Knicks traded for Melo, I believed the plan all along was to take the entirety of the Lebron-Wade-Bosh miami years and invest them 100% into a single team, and if they failed, they would just focus on post Lebron-wade-bosh. So far the team has preserved their space and picks (for the most part) for after next season. 


The fans would have NEVER put up with building a team around picks, David Lee, Gallo, etc. Now can the fans be patient enough to see the team do the smart thing and get young and preserve picks? We shall see. Its tough for the team, though, when they know that a bad season will make the fans spew loads of hate. I just hope that Dolan's lack of giving a crap about the fans might lead him to do the smart things long term. Brooklyn is toast for years now, so if Dolan really just cares about being the biggest story in town, he'll focus on 2016. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

This team is going nowhere until the "coach" is let go. So there's no new chances or new teams.

If Woodson stays, our best shot is to hope some playersr step up so the team at least reaches the playoffs instead of ending as a lottery team.

JerseyFan1
JerseyFan1

Dr. J even stated: Melo is a great player but not a super all-star. Why? a team cannot be built around him nor does he have the leadership the team needs. My thoughts: ISO plague has taking over this team. Knicks lose a game, Melo score 25+, everybody say he did his part. I am the 1st to admit we have weak shooters but these guys only get to shot if they are wide open OR they force an ISO move(what Melo brought to the team). Ask Denver, they are doing BETTER w/out him>least they have a better record than NY.

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@Kojo Brown also wanted to add that Woodson has to go as the head coach and get a championship head coach in here. And I mean pronto.....

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@Kojo Brown I have to agree with this. I am still a fan of melo, but firstly a fan of the Knicks, but I think a lot of people forget that since he has come to NY, we have made the playoffs the last few years. I remember when STAT was here is first year, at mid season, we were a .500 team. Then Melo came, and pretty he singlehandedly made sure we made the playoffs. Then the strike shortened year came, and everybody and there mother was hurt, even Melo, and it looked like we were not looking at the playoffs, until 3 things happened, Linsanity, Firing of Mike D'Antoni, and then the Beast of a month Melo had right before playoff time to solidify our place of going into the playoffs, and then last year, Melo and the Knicks had the best year we had in a while. Everything was clicking on all cylinders. This year, unfortunately injuries hit us, a lot of immaturity amongst some teammates, specifically JR, and inconsistent shooting and also the regression of Shumpert, which is mind boggling. Melo is the only player putting in work everyday and not letting things phase him at this point. Also, all this stuff about him not averaging 5 assts pg is bogus. He would be averaging that if guys were hitting there shots when he kicks out of a double team. I just feel Melo gets too much of the blame and everyone wants him to be Lebron when he isn't. He is a scorer by nature and he will pass to a teammate if the situation calls for it. Other guys need to step up other than Melo and it has to start now or else the rest of this season is really lost. Also, Bargnani and Udrih have been hurting us defensively and we need more defensive minded personalities on this squad for us to make a run. We will see what happens.

nykwtfman
nykwtfman

@Matty B Blake is only a highlight player and in 3/4 ears will be done! can you even say Blake is better than what Shawn Kemp was?

bockers
bockers

@nykwtfman Yeah, Magoo and GG never heard of lottery protected draft picks.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@knickfan2  Melo is popular---around the world yet not a franchise player? That shizz is BS. Ask MJ not some grizzled old dude whose game was the dunk. Everybody dunks nowadays.

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

I agree with every word that came out of that legends mouth

fasheezee
fasheezee

@knickfan2 Dr. J is getting old and senile and the other guy is a frontrunner. If the same question was asked of these two last year their answers would have been different. Everything is golden when your winning in some folks eyes. I never did care for Dr. J anyway.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@knickfan2 I mean that's becoming pretty much increasingly clear. Is why I say if he's not willing to stay for less money than fvck him.

buddhabing
buddhabing

@saintknick Dolan and the word "smart" when it comes to basketball are mutually exclusive. He hasn't done anything smart when it comes to contributing to the success of this team on the court. What makes you think he's going to start now? The guy is just clueless and we fans suffer the consequences.

solar_lion
solar_lion

Sadly that's all we can hope for. See my comments above yours.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

I don't think we should talk about Denver when they are 14-17 and have lost 8 in a row.

knickfan2
knickfan2

Sorry, I did not see your post. I just posted the link above of Dr. J's Melo analysis.

solar_lion
solar_lion

Got invovled in the organization not trading a 1st round pick for Kyle Lowery. He's held out on canning Woodson (the right move at the end of the season) so as not to put the teams fortunes in an interim like Herb Williams. So I think he's whown flashes. Now if he holds off on a fire sale untill the team can rehab the players value under a more competent head coach, then I'll say he's smarter than Sandro Guedes.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@Knicks_Fanatic @Kojo Brown @danewyorkr Well he's old now and not thinking straight. He's probably half broke and needs a job. Just because a player played great ball doesn't mean he is a good judge of talent. Look at Jordan's team. So...

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Kojo Brown@danewyorkr 

You can't be serious. I watched Dr. J when he was with the Nets. He was the best basketball player in the world at that time. He did it all  He scored, cleared the boards, passed the rock, played D, blocked shots, made his teammates better players, yeah, he dunked.

Dr. J was an All-Star every year he played and won 4 MVP's.

solar_lion
solar_lion

Power is only as good as the product one is able to transform and present at a high level. I think he needs to reevaluate the iron fist, since it has gotten to the point where it is choking the very life out of the organization and the full value that organization can muster when at its pinnacle.

therealprof
therealprof

@VerySilentJay @therealprof @Kojo Brown @xmenreturn Maybe my 1% possibility of winning in NY was too high. I didn't specify, but I was talking about him being GM, or working with NY in any capacity really. If Dolan gave GM Phil Jackson full reign, which is completely impossible because Dolan, it might be a job worth coming back from retirement for, considering the expiring contracts on the roster. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@therealprof @Kojo Brown @VerySilentJay @xmenreturn Yeah but the chances of Phil winning a ring in NY aren't precisely high. Not with the roster as presently constructed.

He already left the game in a sour note with a rather pathetic showing, in every aspect, agaisnt Dallas.

Also, he's not coaching anymore. The game defeated him. If he's gonna get back into the game, it'll be at a managerial level.

therealprof
therealprof

@Kojo Brown @therealprof @VerySilentJay @xmenreturn Champs at Phil's age have concern for legacy. Taking a job with the Knicks and winning a ring would further cement his legacy, especially as a former Knick that won a ring in NY = definition of "Full Circle". Meanwhile, reality indicates that the possibility for success in that endeavor is roughly 1%, being generous. IMO, the last thing Phil will want to do is come out of retirement to play the 3 for the Washington Wizards, if you follow me. Failing with the Knicks would tarnish his legacy and since Dolan will likely have his grubby mitts all over every personnel move, its just not worth it.