No, the Knicks Should Not Go Big

Brian DiMenna

It’s not even entirely clear where this came from, I suppose Kenyon Martin made a little noise about wanting to play more, or wanting to guard David West, something that it would seem would be perfectly natural for Kenyon to say, since I’d assume pretty much every player in the NBA thinks the answer to their team’s particular problem is usually them playing more, but in no way should the Knicks be messing up their lineup after just one game of this series.

Playing Carmelo Anthony at power forward has been pretty much the single biggest weapon for the Knicks all season, and though it is surely not the only reason for his career season, it may be the most significant.

To me, if the Knicks are worried about having to double David West in the post, the answer would be to simply stop doing that. For all the criticism his defense takes (some deserved) Melo is a capable post defender, and absolutely able to give West a hard time in the post. Along those same lines, Melo at power forward still forced the Pacers into less than ideal matchups whether they choose to guard him with West or Paul George, even as George did an exceptional job in Game 1, Anthony also just missed a lot of shots. One has to think this cold spell ends at some point.

And sure, playing Martin and Chandler together might sound good as a defensive proposition, but the problem is that given the offensive limitations of each, they’d have to produce truly elite results on the defensive end to justify playing them together for significant minutes and that hasn’t appeared to be the case to date.

The larger point is it’s just too early for the Knicks to abandon who they are, as there’s still time for the Knicks to impose their will on this series and completely reverse this conversation by the time we get to Indiana.

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377 comments
truth77
truth77

Ollie Maatta This is what I saw  when I seen Him play in Juniors, a kid with huge upside.Might win Rookie of the year.Just 19 plays like 25.Maybe we can trade for Pittsburghs scouting team!

mrcisback
mrcisback

   I was at the game tonight with my wife and son after traveling down from upstate and had seats close behind Poulan. The reason why the Islanders are not sitting comfortably in a playoff spot is goaltending.  If the Islanders had a decent goaltender they would probably have around 62 points and would have given up at least 30 less goals even with there suspect defense. This guy is definitely not the answer in goal for the Islanders. He looks like he's catching a basketball on most shots when he should just glove it or blocker it away especially when he's hit in the bread basket with a shot. The 2nd goal was a very bad goal that basically shot off his body into the net. You can see the body language of the Islander players just sag after that 2nd goal.  It probably would have cost the Islanders Ryan Strome to get Snyder from Vancouver or Bishop from Ottawa but they would be sitting in the playoff spot right now. Snow has got to get a top goaltender for the Islanders to make the next step. I wonder what the price would be to pry Frederick Anderson away from Anaheim. 

jepliberty
jepliberty

I like Hickey's play, but he is a bit small, still like him though

jepliberty
jepliberty

Wish Clutterbuck was 6'4 and 230.

rjmatty
rjmatty

Imagine if Poulin could stop a beachball?

Vicp73
Vicp73

Any team that Ices Hickey, Martinek, Strait and Amac can't be taken serious! 

dagr33k
dagr33k

Everybody wants to trade Vanek but what do we get in return. There is no way we get equal value equivalent to Vanek numbers.

snostorm
snostorm

I would trade Vanek ASAP. He is not worth what he will want to stay here. Losing him to FA would be a crime. Trade him we aren't contending for anything this year.

dimaio34
dimaio34

Not scoring on the five on three hurt. But really need the big save. Poulin needs a lot more time. Good goalie just lacks poise. That will come. Tough one though great atmosphere in there. Man it takes the penguins a lot to beat us. We give them a hard time. Loved Matt Martin stand up for his teammate. Back at it sat. We will win that. Super happy for bailey. Tough loss but love the team we got.

phishstyx1
phishstyx1

I wouldn't bother signing him, trade him 

dagr33k
dagr33k

I think Vanek will stay bc he will end the season with a ton of points playing on this line. The question is if Wanger will offer him 7 mil a year or is snowballs just blowin smoke up our ass. Snowballs also needs to sign one of the top free agent goaltenders that will be available and a good older veteran player like Danny Heatley.

orange2327
orange2327

Hope the CORSI GUYS are right about rheinhart pullock pokka pedan etc cause there is a lot that needs improving back there!!

John Falcone
John Falcone

We have to move Vanek and Amac, the more I think about it, the more I see Vanek leaving for nothing. We have Strome who could be on the top line. We need a goalie, defense will be coming next year.

Vicp73
Vicp73

Let's face it, you wanna beat these guys you need a top tier number one goalie. Nabby and Poulin ain't the answer. Lot's of work still needed to take this team to the next level.

dagr33k
dagr33k

Not for nothing I love okposo but he killed us tonight by passing the puck in the slot instead of shooting it. He had 3 golden opps but tried making an unselfish play. Sometimes you have to fire it on net.

dkdk
dkdk

Especially if Poulin is your 1.

Really when you claim 4 dmen off waivers like they did 16-18 months ago it certainly doesn't breed a lot of confidence in the "pipeline"

dkdk
dkdk

The main reason people want to trade him is he probably walks in the summer (and his effort and body language leave something be desired at times). I think we would all be fine if he signed an extension tomorrow, but the chances of that are slim to none with none kicking slims azz.

orange2327
orange2327

We get way more in return before march 5 than before July 1!!

Chris R
Chris R

@snostorm well wangs no stranger to crime

orange2327
orange2327

You can't like his effort tonight! Terrible!!

orange2327
orange2327

I think he has to deal vanek no doubt!! BTW if he's gonna drag his azz for a whole game against your arch enemy then its very dissapointing IMO!!

Chris R
Chris R

@dagr33k i think if cheapo blows his load with vanek theres no way they sign anyone else..No way!!!

Vicp73
Vicp73

@orange2327 What are you talking about?? That Martinek and Hickey pairing is on there way to Sochi!!

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

Vic, lots of work.....and lot's of money - something that will NEVER HAPPEN WITH WANG!!!!!

Chris R
Chris R

@victor pereira absolutely..And i'm not expecting anything big from snowjob this offseason...So same crap next year


jepliberty
jepliberty

@dagr33k

Definitely agree, I couldn't believe he didn't shoot the puck right there, and maybe the goalie leaves a rebound for a score. Another backup goalie beats us huh?

mrcisback
mrcisback

@ivo leggi  Frederick Anderson is youg 24 big 6/04 and real good. Anaheim said there not trading Hiller. Maybe we have a shot in the off season as a UFA.

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

Haha.

It's not just Vanek they'd be losing.

It's Moulson and the first round pick, as well.

Chris R
Chris R

@orange2327 yea he did drag out there.. i was shocked how laxed he was tonight

dagr33k
dagr33k

What do we get in return if we trade him?

orange2327
orange2327

Strome may not be what's advertised IMO!!

Vicp73
Vicp73

@Zee Executioner It's not even the money, get me a GM and a coach with some prior experience!! I'm sick of always scraping the Barrel with half ass coaching staff, scouting staff and  A GM who would never have been hired by any other owner with half a brain

Vicp73
Vicp73

@Chris R @victor pereira What are you talking about man, He's going to sign Macdonald  for the 5 million he wants, and extend Nabby for another 2 years!! Whats wrong with you? the rebuild is right on track!

orange2327
orange2327

Absolutely the big line had a terrible night except for a couple of shifts!!

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

As far as what's below me here, how could ya not just luhhhhhhhove this fantastic team.

Yessireebob and DeNiro34, after 8 years of rebuilding, a 15-25 record in regulation and dead last in the division is what you were aiming for, i'm sure.

They still 26th overall in the league?

Yup yup. Great job, boys. Great team!

Give me/us a break. Please stop.

orange2327
orange2327

Ya think geez sometimes some of the stuff we were saying about him months ago rings true!!!

dkdk
dkdk

Probably a lot less than we gave away to get him Dagr33

orange2327
orange2327

Really?? I didn't say we should trade strome but he looked overmatched too many times!!

snostorm
snostorm

@orange2327 Strome IS as advertised. No question.  Giving up on him would be a huge mistake.  has succeeded at every level and his small sample is not indicative of his potential. Because he didn't light it up playing with marginal NHL players you are making this assertion?


Glad you arent the GM.

Zee Executioner
Zee Executioner

True....Absolutely....and i'm jealous you can do italics!

However, in order to get qualified hockey people to come in here, Wang would have to do two things:

1. Cede over control of hockey operations

2. Spend money on everything from scouting to development to players (some being UFA's).

He will never do either, which brings back to the same crap.

Wang must be kicked off of the Island.

dkdk
dkdk

Perfectly said Vic