Phil Jackson would need organizational control, guarantee of Melo return and there are still no assurances of success

Adam Zagoria, Team Reporter

If Phil Jackson decides to come to the Knicks, he would need complete organizational control and a guarantee that Carmelo Anthony would remain in New York — and even then there are no assurances that he would be a success in the Big Apple.

According to a Daily News report, Jackson will decide by next week whether to accept a front office position with the team with whom he won an NBA championship in 1973.

“He wants a management position and the power to make deals, a la Red Auerbach and Pat Riley,” one league source told The Knicks Blog. “If that’s not promised, he ain’t coming. They’ll have to promise him Melo will stay, too. And I don’t think they know if he is or not.”

You may recall that Jackson called the Knicks’ roster “clumsy” during a 2012 interview on HBO’s “Real Sports.”

“They don’t fit together well,” Jackson said. “Amar’e Stoudemire doesn’t fit well with Carmelo. Stoudemire’s a really good player. But he’s gotta play in a certain system and a way.

“Carmelo has to be a better passer. And the ball can’t stop every time it hits his hands. They need to have someone come in that can kinda blend that group together.”

Stoudemire has one more year on his deal worth $23.4 million and it may be near impossible to trade him given his creaky knees.

As for Anthony, he may well opt to remain in New York for the payday but there are certainly no guarantees, especially if the Knicks miss the playoffs.

“He wants to win, too, and that’s gonna be tough in New York,” the league source said.

Knicks owner James Dolan wants to make a big splash in order to pacify the angry fans and placate Anthony, who is being openly recruited by stars from other teams.

Anthony has been linked to the Chicago Bulls and the Los Angeles Lakers, and the league source threw out the L.A. Clippers as a possible destination, too.

“It’s an educated guess,” the source said. “He is the No. 1 free agent on everyone’s list but only a limited amount of teams may apply for his services. The Clips fit the bill. Big city, big-time coach.”

The Knicks are now targeting the summer of 2015, when Anthony will be 31, to go after free agents like Rajon Rondo and Kevin Love.

Still, there is no guarantee those players will come to New York — which has won one playoff series since 2000 — and also no guarantee that Jackson would be able to turn things around.

A second league source ripped into Jackson’s qualifications to be a GM.

“Every new GM does the perfunctory call to Phil so they don’t have to hear about it every day from the fans or the media,” the second source said. “Phil has never scouted, has zero agent relationships and can’t recruit. He should coach or go fishing in Montana and let the fish deal with his ego.”

The second source added that Jackson can be difficult to deal with, and that Lakers star Kobe Bryant had his issues with him.

“[Kobe] put up with him when they won rings with the best roster in the NBA,” the source said. “He’s intolerable to be around so Kobe has no interest in him when he knows they aren’t good enough anyway.”

The source added of Jackson: “He’s not Pat Riley. Doesn’t have his charm or charisma and Riley became a full-time exec at 58, not 68 like Phil wants.”

OK, then. This league source clearly isn’t a fan.

Others believe Jackson could hire people around him to help make smart decisions, but what then of current GM Steve Mills? Jackson isn’t going to report to him, he’d only report to Dolan.

“He can be effective because he will surround himself with basketball people,” a third league source said.

Whether Jackson ultimately decides that taking over a “clumsy” roster with no immediate cap space and no first-round pick is the right move,  time will tell.

If he decides against, there is always fishing in Montana.


Adam Zagoria covers the New York Knicks and Big East hoops for NBA.com and SNY.tv. He also appears as a Big East Basketball Insider on SNY and 1050 ESPN Radio. You can follow him on Twitter and read his blog.




163 comments
Saturin Makaveli Thomas
Saturin Makaveli Thomas

Lmfaooo hey Daudley Nyynygnyknyr I thought melo was great talent u bloody wanker!! Louis Balbo Jr. Brandon Grant Lincoln Riley

Daudley Nyynygnyknyr
Daudley Nyynygnyknyr

Dolan should back off and let the Zen Master take over the organization personnel wise, we need great talent here to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Michael Brett
Michael Brett

anyone control. unless he woke up and said this team is bad.

Michael Brett
Michael Brett

I do not think he takes the job. Dolan will never give anyobe

Jerome McCroy
Jerome McCroy

This guys a great leader. Something we have been lacking since Walsh left. Read a book, Guitar Jimmy. You can't do wrong with Phil at the helm

Mets0987
Mets0987

You guys think because Phil Jackson comes here, he is like a savior. He's never been a Gm before. As coach I will give it to him right away but as making every move, IDK yet.

Jesse Jones
Jesse Jones

For the love of god, GIVE IT TO HIM! Seriously, couldn't be any worse

rico
rico

Mills should call his friend Magic Johnson talk to him about being GM.

He's 100 years younger than Phil, Magic loves NY. When Magic bought the Dodgers they quickly went from worst to first, and that's the wrong sport. 


Magic building a team to compete with Larry Bird's team has poetry in it.  Phil may be best as a consultant. 

buddhabing
buddhabing

Phil Jackson is known to speak his mind. Wonder how that will play in the KGB atmosphere of the Garden if he decides to come on board.

Patrick Leonard
Patrick Leonard

I hope he takes the job because now he can prove if he can build a champion or just ride other people's coattails.

Steven Botta
Steven Botta

if this is true, I don't think all of Phil's requirements will be met and he will not join the Knicks. I don't foresee Dolan relinquishing full control of the club. that component is the deal-breaker...next.

Michael Kemp
Michael Kemp

first phil overrated he had a talented roster around him thru out his career mj,kobe,shaq..if you don't win that then u should quit coaching..second I believe he cant talk to melo because wasn't he a consult the raptors early this year I blv I pretty sure I heard that but might be wrong..third this whole team sucks beside melo and thjr..so I don't know wat else to tell people but new coach and front office and by the way the league is talking about phil doesn't sound like a good guy or person u can talk to so I think agents will stay clear so tough situation

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

Stop all u naysayers!  Phil Jackson is coming here to head all of B-Ball operations!  Bank it!

That most likely means Melo and STATues are goners for sure.  Even Phil called them clumsy in the past and part of what's wrong with the team.  With that, Phil would be wise to rebuild rather than trying to do an Isiah and try to build around high risk and little reward. 

Besides, rebuilding would buy him the time he needs. 

1harris1
1harris1

@rico  Magic already turned the offer down once.  There's nothing which suggests that he'd reconsider. 

1harris1
1harris1

@buddhabing I think that's a huge point in all of this.  Phil is not going to agree to abide by Dolan's infantile media policy.  But if Dolan were smart, he'd consent to allowing Phil to  say whatever he wants, whenever.  Jackson knows how to play the NY media, and he will have them ultimately eating out of his hand.  In turn, the media will lay off with the incessant criticism of both Dolan and the franchise in general., And Phil is never going to say anything that will embarrass the owner as long as he is given complete say in player personnel decisions.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Are you nuts! Phil is a winner! Period! End of story!

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

I don't give a dayum what kind of guy he is if he can get us a chip!!!!!

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@Michael Kemp  You don't win 11 rings, and be overrated, you can have all the talent in the world, but if you are on Woodson's level, you won't win anything.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Phil said he's not coming if MELO leaves! That should tell you he has very high regard for MELO! Your better then that X!

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@xmenreturn  No chance in hell Dolan is letting Melo go. I am sure Phil coming here is predicated on Melo staying, and building around him.

Michael Kemp
Michael Kemp

@Seth Plaut @Michael Kemp lets don't compare woodson players to phil players he had..because woodson players are horrible only melo worth it..and phil was just on a team on the right time..phil wont coach a team if he don't have 3 or more stars that a fact


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Seth Plaut A to the Men!  just because you have the ingredients doesn't mean you know how to cook great. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter LMAO! Melo is gone. Phil already called Melo out as being clumsy before.  Phil knows he can't build around Melo so get ready to take your pompoms elsewhere.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Seth Plaut Melo is gone and I'm sure Phil has told Dolan that we have gone as far as we can with Melo and low -ball IQ squad.  

Phil wouldn't even be thinking about the job if Dolan told he he needed to keep Melo.  He knows Dolan would be back again begging him once Melo proved Phil was right. 

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

If you have watched the Knicks play then you know Woody is a HoRendous coach! It started last year when he botched the Pacers series! Woody=Loser! Phil=Winner!!!!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Michael Kemp True it would surely help but it takes special people to be able to deal with other special people.  Phil likes smart b-ball players and that's something we do not have here in abundance.

Michael Kemp
Michael Kemp

@xmenreturn very true but I think mj was going to take off no matter what..mine point is if we had a decent team like phil had we would be right there.. it not so much of the coach it is the gm who not giving quality players

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Michael Kemp @Seth Plaut We know Phil had superior talent but it also takes a special person top be able to handle special talent.

Why would special talent put up with poor coaching? 

Phil was able to come in and get MJ to buy into a new system and get the team to play together.  Even MJ, says Phil is  weird sorta but he a master of the mind games.

Lord knows this teams need some mental toughness.


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter HE doesn't that just your heart telling ya that! lol


Gotta go but will be back later.  Stop crying!  Chi-town ain't that bad,  Maybe Phil wants Phil sign to trade him someone else.  Either way, he's gone..........oh I, ya learn how to face it!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Not True. I remember hearing that then and it was comical then but I thought it to be pretty on the money then as well.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

You can't win without a superstar Dumby! I think Phil is smart enough to know that even if your not!

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

You obviously haven't been watching MELO lately! He's playing like a top 3 talent in the league! LBJ, Durant, MELO!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn @MeloStat301  MJ couldnt with a poor roster...Kobe couldnt with a poor roster..and cried out he was leav ing lol...then they got gasol.


Melo cried out said hes testing free agency...now we getting Phil, jujst accept your wrong buddy...its ok..we forgive u.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 LMAO! For a guy with 11 rings, that bs. rings hollow. Phil wants leaders and can do people not I can't do because..................

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn @MeloStat301  Dude, but he likes Melo...melo IQ is very good..said so by Karl himself...who by the way...Karl really dislikes melo...but didint say anything bad about his IQ he said his IQ was very very good.  So i dont know what ur talking about.  Melo would be great in the triangle actually...volume scorer from the wing ala kobe, ala MJ...durant would be great in it as well.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Hey dummy, we're talking about Phil who has 11 rings!  Stop crying because your endless must go elsewhere if Phil comes on board. Man up you little b. lol

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Exaclt, that's what it should eb about. making our team better.  Just look at the type of players Phil likes, Look at the system he runs which requires smarts.  

Who on our team shows that characteristic?  I know he won't be coaching but would you bring in people to your job or home that you don't like?lol

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter LMAO!  I hope Phil accepts because you and Melo are gone.  hahahahaahahahaaha  

Phil knows he's not going to build a contender with Melo at age 30!

Dream on Endless Lover!  You luv will be moving!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn  Ok...you obviously know more than Phil...LOL....regardless....if he builds a winner here w or w/out Melo..i honestly dont care...as long as we win.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Ok Playa.  He's been in the league for 10 years and what has he won?

The only thing you build around Melo is a myth! Keep building that will ya. lol 

Phil knows better than that for sure. 

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn @MeloStat301  Melo is the guy yo build around..thats why he wants the k nicks to promise Melo will stay! LOL...read the article dude..smh.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@MeloStat301 Ok Wait and see my man! If Phil is here Melo is out.  Why would he want to keep Melo instead of giving him more time to build what he wants? 

Keeping Melo would mean he needs to win now and he of all people knows Melo is not that guy to buld around. 

Phil is going after supreme greatness because he surely don't need the money and headache of coming her to tarnish his repitation.  

1harris1
1harris1

@xmenreturn @Seth Plaut He did when Woodson was given the head coaching job, after which time Dolan didn't even reach out to him about the job.  But he seemed to change his tune about Melo last year.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn  X are you a moron or just act like one???


Tell me what part of this u dont understand....


“He wants a management position and the power to make deals, a la Red Auerbach and Pat Riley,” one league source told The Knicks Blog. “If that’s not promised, he ain’t coming. They’ll have to promise him Melo will stay, too. And I don’t think they know if he is or not.”


THEY HAVE TO PROMISE HIM MELO WILL STAY.  SPEAKS THAT PHIL DOES LIKE MELO...do u read english or pretend?  The clumsy comment was more a knock on STAT as he called STAT a system player...and said Melo needs to pass more..which he does.


Read before making stupid comments.

1harris1
1harris1

@xmenreturn @Kiyan Carter I'm not sure if that's true anymore X.  Phil was very complimentary of Carmelo when the Garden held the 40 year reunion of the 73 championship team last season.


I guess it's not worth arguing until Phil takes the job.  I'm praying that Phil accepts, but as a typical pessimistic Knickerbocker devotee, I'll believe it when it happens.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Seth Plaut Check out Phil comments about Melo last year.  I even think There's a reference to it in the post today by Mitch Lawrence. 

Phil went after Melo and STATues and called them clumsy and a big reason why we are not where we should be. 

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@xmenreturn @Kiyan Carter  When has he ever said he does not like Melo? He just said he does not think Amare and Melo are a fit, which he is right about.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@Kiyan Carter  Phil keeps Melo, Timmy, Tyler as assets, while Amare, and JR are here simply because of their deals. Everyone else the zen master will destroy!