Quote: Felton on Carmelo Anthony after win over Lakers

“Sometimes he likes to take it on his shoulders, so we have to take some of that pressure off of him by hitting shots, by making plays offensively.”

-Raymond Felton on Carmelo Anthony’s role on the team after the win over the Lakers

41 comments
rkj473
rkj473

Like if offense is the Knicks' major problem. Aside from the "coaching" which has been abysmal, their defense is the next culprit and Felton does not help in that regard. Start improving you defense Felton before you talk about the offense.


If the Knicks had ONE other player going (THji, JR, Felton, Shump, STAT) along with Melo, they score enough points to win the game. 


And it's hasn't been a coincidence that the last two games Felton has moved off the ball he has played better on offense. That means he just wants to be a shooting guard and shoot the ball out there, he is not a pg.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

So the knicks have won 2 straight which is definitely a positive as opposed to losing 7 straight, I'm a believer that nothing good comes from losing especially since there is no reward of a lottery pick.  On a positive the basic difference between winning these last 2 and losing the previous 5 is definitely about the offense.  Moving Melo to the 4 of course which is something that needed to be done 3 months ago, has helped and will help moving forward, it's also not coincidental that moving Felton off the ball has created his two best offensive games of the season.  It's about putting players in the best spot to succeed which has happened the last two games.  However, unless this team starts playing some sort of defense, then they will still lose more then they win, night to night you aren't going to keep shooting that well and they are going to need to defend, I'd love for them to combined the defense from the previous 5 game winning streak with the offense of the last 2 if it's possible.  I'm looking forward to seeing Kmart back this week as he will solidify the defense off the bench when he replaces Tyson.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

I'm convinced that we cannot win a ring with Melo at this stage of his career plus the surrounding cast and coaches.  Melo is in the later stages of being in the prime in his career and just look where we are.

We need to change the GM, coaching staff and then put together a 3-5 year plan to go with youth and then try to position ourselves for a superstar within that timeframe.  This is what we should have done properly when Pringles was here. We are not contenders now and we need to stop fooling ourselves.


cole3244
cole3244

melo isn't going anywhere, its all about the money and the big money is in ny.

dolan and melo were made for each other, the fans make dolan rich & he makes melo rich, and the lack of a champ beat goes on and on and on and on.



omega_red
omega_red

Magic Johnson tweeted that he thinks carmelo should stay in new York and win a championship at home, I think that's telling.

Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

He's right. It's an improvement by "making plays offensively,” as opposed to what we've seen on his part: many offensive plays on both offense and defense.

bockers
bockers

The Knicks do NOT play defense.No perimeter defense.Pablo is the only defender on the team.We give up

way too many points in the paint.Woodson needs to go.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

How about playing some defense? You can see why we are 26th in that category when the mindset of the players is about making shots.

chuco
chuco

Thats the problem they have to score more so Melo wouldn't have to feel that way the core has to be consistent and chandler is tradable lately he's been hurt getting abused we were 5-0 till he came back in the line -up 

cole3244
cole3244

when the knicks lose its because the supporting class didn't come through but when the knicks win its all because of the mvp candidate putting the team on his back and being amazing.


if you look at the 69-70 & 72-73 teams they were the definition of team at both ends of the floor, but the positive patsy's here wouldn't even consider them worthy of melo's sweat except for the stories and history written about them. 

their stats were not those of an individual who at times goes 23 for 35 and other times goes 3 for 23, but to the believers they believe he is the second coming of a bb god and is even superior to james the best player on the planet.


the positive patsy's are either so diluted into believing their own nonsense because melo is one of their own or they are devoid of bb acumen, maybe a little bit of both.


i will get the campaign started so the patsy's can feel comfortable, mvp mvp mvp, carry on fools.

rico
rico

would this be called,  "throwing him OVER the bus?"


Looks like at least temporarily Melo is motivating his team to play at a higher level. They see how exceptional he is, how hard he's been playing and are stepping up (a little) 



kneggyknik
kneggyknik

uh, you don't say.  The puts it on his shoulders because he feels like he's the only one out there making shots.  Melo needs a wingman in the worst way.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@HeartcoreWe can offer more if we get creative.


We can apply for an injured player exception for Bargs. We will get half of his salary. We should be able to get a decent PG for $6 mil

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Heartcore 

You have to be careful when making comparisons. Players on bad teams put up numbers, so just looking at someone like Kendall Marshall in a fast paced offense can be deceptive. Yes, he looks good playing in an offense that runs and guns. But when Kobe comes back, Marshall won't be so good. He might not even play when Nash, Blake, and Farmar get healthy.

saintknick
saintknick

@xmenreturn Melo is not an Athletic monster. He's a guy with a big frame who plays an A+ finesse game. He's entering the PRIME of his career, and will be just as good for the next 4 years as he is right now.


But you are right - he's at that phase where he is going to be paid more (by a nice margin) than almost all of the 10 best other players in the game. That can be a tough amount to overcome in this restricted cap universe.


Hey, maybe he'll shock absolutely everyone and stay for 20 mil/year in exchange for a player option instead of a done-deal for the next 5 years. 

rgm891
rgm891

@xmenreturn Our defense is so bad. The Lakers were giving us a run for our money.  We need to get rid of some contracts by the deadlines and start rebuilding.

brookdon
brookdon

He said the same thing about Lebron lol

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@bockers 

Pablo couldn't even guard the slowest PG in the NBA Kendall Marshall yesterday, a player who was just out of the league because he is so slow. Are you kidding!

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@cole3244 Has there been times where Melo underperforms and hurts the team? Yes.  Any great players goes through this...more often than not, its the team underperforming and not Anthony.  Nobody should claim he is better than james, but he is arguably the best scorer in the game...if his teammates cant hit shots from time to time as the case this season, it has more to do with the personnel rather than the only guy who has been pretty consistent all year.

cole3244
cole3244

@knicks50@cole3244i hate to upset a positive patsy like you so just bypass my comments they're most likely beyond your ability to comprehend anyway.


just to be clear when you see cole3244 that means its my post in case you haven't enrolled in posting school yet.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@rico

If that statement was read to a chimp at the zoo he would even know what that statement meant, and you mean to tell us you are clueless to what Magic meant? SMDH!

cole3244
cole3244

@MeloStat301@cole3244you're calling melo a great player, wrong patsy breath, he's a great scorer plain and simple. 

you have to do more than score to be a great player and he doesn't qualify, if you knew bb you could figure that out on your own.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Heartcore 

Whether or not it was representative of the fanbase, I don't know...but many, many TKB posters fully supported the Bargnani trade, falling for the "change of scenery" reasoning.  

Bargs is who we thought he was - the worst rebounding PF/C in the league, a horrible team defender, and a poor 3 pt. shooter.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Heartcore I don't think so. I think more middling players would rather back up a star than have to be THE guy. There's a lot less pressure in the former scenario. Take a guy like Felton, he should be a backup to a top pg not a starter.

saintknick
saintknick

@Heartcore @knicks50 @bockers Wow, so he's basically Felton when Felton was with Mike D'Antoni. The best part of that, of course, is that there are guys picked up off the scrap heap who are playing better than felton.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@cole3244

You just told yourself to"keep on sucking!" Are you trying to psyche yourself up for that prison party your going to have?

cole3244
cole3244

@MeloStat301@cole3244why do the believers always have to bring up another player can't melo's play stand on its own, obviously not.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@cole3244@MeloStat301 Kevin Durant, great player or scorer?  He brings to the table as much as Melo does, and he has a great PG to help him. 

saintknick
saintknick

@Heartcore @MeloStat301 @cole3244 


It is a tough question actually.


There are guys who can score volume at 45% because they play under the basket. That helps a team less than a guy who can score inside, but plays mostly outside and midrange. Some guys are deadly shooters, others are deadly athletes who can create space or make you pay for not over-defending. 


But, to me, the greatest scorers in the game are the ones who shoot a volume 45-50% on well-created shots (mismatches, good positioning, space to work) and also score 38% on 25% shots (double-teamed, fall-aways, face-up against someone who is 6-9 and an amazing one-on-one defender).


What made Jordan the best scorer of his time was that it didn't matter how much you threw at him, he could score on you almost at will, but you couldn't just let him "get his" because he would then drop 50 on you.


What makes Kobe, Durant, and Melo such amazing players is that they always play against double-teams, the best defenders, and are still REQUIRED to score in those situations in order to get the W as a team. 


Melo is a better passer, and I think the hardest (now) of the three to defend. Kobe was better at rising above defenses and scoring in a way that lets his teamates keep their breath, and his opponents suck wind the entire 4th quarter. Durant is better at making you pay if you don't over-commit to him. Melo is more like Kobe, offensively, even if Kobe played more like Durant.


The problem with great scorers, however, is that you need a team of guys around them that can fill in all the gaps, hit quick open shots and passes, and can run plays to get their star some space and help them get it going.


They are only effective in one role on offense - yet all three of them could be leading their positions at assists and rebounds in their prime. If you build a team around them, you need 5 others players who are good at everything and able to benefit from spacing, and only concerned with the W, and filling whatever roles are needed game to game.


And teams built that way (or with Shaq) can with with Durant, Melo, Kobe. 


It is what scares me about NY. They have a squad full of guys who each do only one thing. Even ThJR isn't likely to ever be a guy who does the little things. He's a scorer, and that's how he should be. Shump is a defender and can occasionally make a team pay for not guarding him at the 3. Chandler, Bargnani, etc.


All one-thing players.