Quote: J.R. Smith after last nights loss to the Rockets

“Honestly I thought we were down two when I shot the ball … I started hearing Tyson (Chandler) say ‘No, no, no don’t take the shot.’ But at that point it was already released … it was just bad basketball IQ by me.”

-J.R. Smith on his late game gaff against the Rockets

58 comments
dulcetpine
dulcetpine

is chandler the only Knick who has a clue anymore?

hashburry
hashburry

Who actually believes that?  There is no way he didn't know the score.  There is also no way he wasn't taking that shot regardless of the time and score.  Smith's ego far outweighs his talent.

saintknick
saintknick

A couple weeks ago at the Memphis game, I yelled at Beno for being "the worst defender in the NBA" and he turned around and looked at me (I was about 17 rows back) and I felt bad. It was that moment that I realized something...


Beno is a 3rd string PG on a team with ok PGs and a 2nd string on a team with a GREAT pg - he's not a guy who should be out there when game-changing decisions should be made. He's a decent shooter with an ok floater, he can set up and pass off the dribble pretty well, and protects the ball. HE'S A BACKUP. So I am angry he passed it to JR, and I'm angry he passed up the open 3, and I'm angry he fouled a guy going for a loose ball (though not that angry). But I don't blame him really. I don't expect him to play mistake free PG as the main ball handler. He's not that type of player, he wasn't brought in to be that type of player, and he isn't going to be that type of player.


So for what he is supposed to be, I can't hate.


JR is supposed to be our 6th man. He's paid fairly well for his troubled history and inconsistency. He's NOT supposed to make the mistakes he's making. i appreciated him taking fewer shots the last few games, and using his step-back to open a passing lane or get a guy space, but he totally left that behind yesterday. What makes him effective is his ability to hit shots anywhere all the time, even at a 40% clip, because it makes defenses focus on him. He hasn't done it all year and it is KILLING us. 


I would start Udrih, Shumpert, Melo, Bargnani, Chandler. If Bargnani isn't shooting well, I'd move Melo to the 4 until Bargnani comes back in (which should be a while) and I'd make ThJR my 6th man, and be willing to slide Shump to the 3 when he's in. THEN JR comes in at the 3 for shump and focuses on defense, passing, rebounding, and hitting OPEN looks. 


Murray should get solid minutes, and Woody needs to consider that even when he turns the ball over, or fouls a guy, the team is playing better with him out there. When Pablo and Felton are back, Woody needs to use some 2 pg sets with all 4 PGs in rotation, because they are all halfway solid players with big weaknesses everywhere else. 

lobcity
lobcity

We better not trade Melo for anybody except for young talent or draft picks. Do not get another bad contract. Just admit the plan failed and start from scratch. Please do not get stuck with another max contract.

Even if Melo walks we have a chance to gey another max player with Amare, Tyson, and Bargs coming off th books soon. Id rather do that.

lindro88
lindro88

I can't recall seeing any NBA player admit he didn't know the game was tied with 17 seconds left. JR is in a world of his own. I wish that world was somewhere else, but since it's not, he shouldn't see the court in Dallas. Let him keep score. This offseason the Knicks had a chance to rid themselves of this loser, but they kept him. The argument that those dollars couldn't go to anyone else is getting weaker by the day. It would have been addition by subtraction.

yoyo66
yoyo66

Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.


The blame is not of Woody for not telling professional basketball players what the score is, but for letting JR finish the game. He has been downright awful this ear.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

You will never win anything with JR smith on your team, last year was his best season because he had vets that kept him in check, this year with no leadership and a coach that encourages this as well as an owner that has his back there is no longer accountability for this stupidity. As far as the Blake for Melo deal, the response is simple, Why not? Not that it's a great trade but why not do it? Griffen has many weaknesses and I'm sure we would see them quickly but why not? I'd rather build around his youth. Also to me this report means that Melo is sending out vibes he's out, and the Knicks are realizing that, so if that's the case it's a must move. I'd prefer draft picks to start the rebuild but Griffin works.

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

Yes the boneheadedness by JR is unreal, but here are the real issues on this team....Andrea Bargnani is really starting to show me why Toronto let him go. He plays awful team defense and his shooting is terrible for a 7 footer. He's got to get benched. Also, Amare is a liability on defense as well. At this point, id play Jeremy Tyler over him to see what he can give us at both ends of the floor. And lastly JR Smith. I DO NOT LIKE THIS DUDE ONE BIT!!!! He's too worried about the world around him instead of the sport that he plays for a living. HE NEEDS TO GO!!! Also, Woodson has been so bad coaching wise this year. Makes me wonder who the real voice of the team was last year between Kidd, Camby and Kurt. I don't understand why we have not gone back to the lineup we had last year that WORKED. Chandler, Melo, Shump, SG, PG. At this point, start THJr alongside Beno until the rest of our players get healthy. This season is still not lost. We ccan make a run at this. Go Knicks!!!

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

Sometimes just listening to a player speak tells you all you need to know. Listening to JR speak - or more like slurrr - after the game tells you all you need to know about this guy. Dumb player, dumb coach, dumb team. Yeah, I think there is a pattern here and its not good. With our record there are no moral victories...win the damn game.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

I put the loss on Beno but not for the foul. As the PG, who got the ball from Tyson, it's his responsibility to reset the offense. HE needs to bring it back out and set something up.

knickfan2
knickfan2

Just cut this idiot already! He's trash.

PeteyWheatstraw
PeteyWheatstraw

At least JR always takes responsibility. That said discussions need to be held on fully exorcising the Knicks organization from any Smiths. 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Just want to say that those internal LAC discussions that prefer keeping Blake instead of going for Melo changed as of about 11PM last night.  Just saying.

Kal Ripken
Kal Ripken

I was encouraged by last night, the energy seems good. Late game decision making still is our weakness right now. Hopefully Felton is watching and sees the role this team needs him to play.

jax13
jax13

his would not happen last year cause of kidd. jr did not learn at all.

also when bargs shot the ball in milwaukee, he was the first one with his arms in the air.

whole team is dumb n coach having jr on court so much is not good

jax13
jax13

I would trade him asap for whatever you could get  nthat includes bball equipment

jax13
jax13

I hate ths dudes game, always have. Yes, even last yea when he won 6th moy.

He shuld only be used when he is hot then the second he makes his second mistake, get him off the court. woody does not see him like this, woody sees him as a big shot guy..the fans do not see him that way.

knicksimon
knicksimon

Either way, JR still looks like an idiot.  Better off just apologizing and moving forward instead of making yourself look dumber by throwing in an even lamer excuse and trying to defend yourself.

Jeremy Blabac
Jeremy Blabac

I'm speechless...he didn't know the score ? He really admitted that he didn't know the score? Lol I always wondered why jr Smith was not brought back to Denver ....I'm tired of his act he's gotta go..last year he was tolerable because he was makin shots and was consistently there at the end of games but now he's a nut job and playing like a bum....lmao I honestly thought we were down by 2 ...LOOK UP JR!!!!! THERES A HUGE THING WITH THE SCORE ON IT

jax13
jax13

Well said, he knew the score. He just could not help himself. If he would have made it, he would have probably fouled someone to put em at line for us to lose.

He should not be on the court in late game situations unless we are up or down by 20.

Also, would it kill a guy to follow his shot?

hashburry
hashburry

@saintknick Did yelling at a player make you feel better?  I will never understand that type of behavior.  Not to be too personal, but it always makes me wonder how self-loathing someone has to be to publicly disparage another person who is by far more successful and one of the best in the world at what they do.  I often see the rational that you pay for your tickets, you get to boo, curse, insult players.  To me, that is just ridiculous.

saintknick
saintknick

@lobcity I agree but you'll have to take back some fat contracts to make the $$ work. The goal is to get back fair-value contracts that expire after next season, or big contracts that expire this season.


ALSO, if you are going to trade Melo, it should be FIRE SALE time. Get Chandler off this team - some one will trade young players and/or picks - especially a team in the east looking to match up with Hibbert or Lebron, or in the west focused on Houston. try and give away felton and JR if you can.


Trade stat next season as an expiring contract, or just keep the space open. Play Tyler, Murray, Aldrich, Shumpert, ThJr as much as possible. Let them lose games, I don't care...


REALLY THOUGH - this won't happen. Not a chance so long as Dolan has the playoffs as a possibility. BUT NEXT SEASON... that is when this team might blow up, with or without Melo. Melo would be wiling to miss the playoffs for one season if it was to build a better team in 2015. But he better believe that the Knicks will do so.

tommy2b
tommy2b

@lobcity I'd rather be 'stuck' with Griffin than make another desperation signing like Amare.

Jaime
Jaime

@yoyo66i do agree on that.  You put in Hardaway for those offensive sets.  Not JR.



PeteyWheatstraw
PeteyWheatstraw

@BiggieSmalls I don't prefer Blake over Melo, I prefer Blake over trash or nothing. The deal needs to be considered. 


If, sorry when Melo opts out the NYK's need to be 90% certain he will re-sign. I don't believe there are a lot of attractive win now teams out there that have the cap room.

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@BiggieSmalls Yea trading Melo for Blak Griffin is a no no I think. Blake Griffin is a Elton Brand at best who will regress sooner rather than later.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

I get your optimism, but Woody is not going to use the 2 PG's set, ever, in fact he wants to go bigger, and will continue to force the big lineup. Because of Woody's awful coaching, the players you mentioned, etc. this team will not turn it around as much as I hope I'm wrong, not this year.

TheKnicksBlog.com
TheKnicksBlog.com

@orlando_knickfan You know what. This is a very interesting point. I didn't really think about Beno holding that ball instead of passing it off to Smith. You might be onto something there.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Beno also passed up a wide open 3 on a nice pass from Melo with about 6 seconds left. He needs to take that shot! Once he put it on the floor the Rockets were able to reset their D. If Beno takes that shot, with the D scrambling, even if he missed we had a shot at the offensive board with a few seconds left.

PeteyWheatstraw
PeteyWheatstraw

@orlando_knickfan Maybe time to accept that we need to move on. I'd rather have Melo but we need to unload all the garbage around him, STAT, Bargs, JR, Felton. I know must of the garbage is out by 2015 but u still have JR & Felton and who is gonna take those guys without taking garbage back. Time is the enemy here.


If u do the deal and take back Blake then it buys you time to build around a younger allstar. Blake, Shump & THJ is not a bad start.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@jax13 You couldn't even get anyone to trade you bball equipment for him the way he's playing on a multiyear deal.

Kevin Luibrand
Kevin Luibrand

@jax13For some unearned reason, JR gets Anthony treatment - on the court at the end, can go 0 for alot and stay in the game, gets protected by coach and team. He MUST be returned to 6th man status, get Hardaway back on the court for more minutes. Also, Murry needs to take more of Udrih's minutes. The Hardaway/Murry defense and energy is needed right now...

hashburry
hashburry

@tommy2b @lobcity I still think Golden State is the best trade partner. They desperately need a player that can score from a semi-post like Melo.  Not sure what players coming the other way make sense.  Curry (it still kills me that he went one pick ahead of the Knicks in the draft) would be a great fit if the Knicks still had Melo, so it is tough to see where the fit is from the Knicks side.

lobcity
lobcity

No.. Griffin suck.he would get killed here.

saintknick
saintknick

@PeteyWheatstraw @BiggieSmalls I feel the same way, but do you want to pay Blake 20 mil, or use that money elsewhere? I think any deal where Melo goes to LA requires that the Knicks get players and picks. Though if the last few games are any indication, Melo isn't going anywhere. He's been passing and playing off the ball A LOT since right before and after the ankle. If he's leaving and the ship is sinking, why not just keep jacking up 100 shots and not helping?

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@PeteyWheatstraw @BiggieSmalls I think that Melo will stay with the Knicks and surprise everyone by taking a little less money than he is owed just to bring in another superstar. That's my prediction.

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@Seth Nadler And into mediocrity we will descend. I get he wants to go big, but I think hes too infatuated with the fact of what happened against Indiana....We were a Melo dunk away from bringing that series to a game seven. If Hibbert, doesn't block that shot, we would have all the momentum by winning that game and taking it to game 7 and winning at home.

saintknick
saintknick

@TheKnicksBlog.com @orlando_knickfan last season, everyone knew to get the ball to Kidd or Pablo or at least Melo off of an offensive rebound or a broken offensive play, so long as there was some time on the shot clock. It worked well, becuase the team is very low offensive IQ otherwise.



orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@PeteyWheatstraw I would like Bullock or Collison back as well.  LAC have to be panicking with Paul out about 2 months because they have no offense now.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Hardaway's defensive fundamentals are still lacking. I like it when Murry and Shump are playing lock down D on the perimeter. The two of them together create a lot of turn overs. Murry should have been on the court more last night. He was the only guy who gave Harden a problem.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Biggie,

There were good things last night, especially Shump again. However, can you admit that Woodson is partly responsible for JR not knowing the score? It was out if a time out for goodness sake!!

knicksimon
knicksimon

@BiggieSmalls Firstly, I don't think I need to "look for reasons" to hate on the knicks, they've given me plenty to work with this season.  Secondly, I don't hate the Knicks...why would I bother wasting time on a Knicks blog if I did.  Thirdly, I'm far from a fan of JR.  The guy has been a cancer since the playoffs, from his on court play and decision making, to his party antics and tweets about the organization.  He had no problem showing disgust when Bargs did the same thing a few weeks back, then goes and does exactly that.  Lastly, if he genuinely was trying to take responsibility for his mistake, there was no reason to mention not knowing the score.  He's a professional basketball player, playing on the biggest stage in the country.  He's been in the lineup for countless games during crunch time, throughout his career...all of a sudden he forgets the score?  You're as much of an idiot if you believe he wasn't defending himself from the media and fans.

jax13
jax13

That's awesome. They can probably defend p n r better too

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@kenmetskni JR needs to know the score. He doesn't need Woodson for that. Now if you want to talk about terrible lineups being out there too long...yeah that's woodson.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

I know that professional basketball players should know the score. I'm not defending JR. However, if you are going to send fools like JR out there, with the game on the line, you have to make sure he knows the situation. There have been way too many of these types of mental errors this season. At some point, the coach has to be taken to task for them.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

If I am the coach, and my team has had multiple mental breakdowns at the end of games all season, then YES! You are damn right I mention the score during the time out. It's bad enough that Woodson keeps JR on the court in those moments. His trust in JR is his biggest weakness.