Quote: Melo disgusted after loss to Pacers

“This was a big game, against a big-time team, and we didn’t bring it.”

-Carmelo Anthony after last nights blowout loss to the Indiana Pacers

45 comments
miracle33d
miracle33d

How come they quote the part of Melo's quote saying the boilerplate "we didn't bring it", but they omit where he says that coaching failed to adjust?

cole3244
cole3244

everyone knows the knicks seldom play good d on a consistent basis, on o eveyone runs to get to their spots to set up to score rather than moving the ball to create an open opportunity for a good shot, you can't get ball movement when everyone is looking for their own shot first.

this team has talent as everyone in the nba does but this is a team of individuals for the most part and there needs to be a complete house cleaning and a rebuild top to bottom, its imperative that dolan gets a solid bb mind in here to bring in players that are familiar with the team concept and are willing to defer their own stats for the good of the team, talent alone won't get the job done as the last couple decades have shown. 

we need multiple players that play d not just a couple who also get criticism because they don't score, this is a 94 ft game and some here fail to realize this.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

I just read that JR has a 15% trade kicker in his contract. I didn't know that. 

buddhabing
buddhabing

I truly believe it wouldn't take much to get this team on the right path to stabilizing the roster. You could trade for a Kris Humphries and Jarrett Jack type pf/pg combo and it would do wonders for the defense and toughness shortage on this team. Would they be championship caliber? No, but they would be more competitive and entertaining to watch while we wait for reinforcements in coming years; cap space permitting.

knickster
knickster

I don't post much anymore because there is very little left to say: our team is just a bunch of bad players; most fans grossly overrate our "talent" and expects them to play at a level they are not capable of. A rebuild is necessary, beginning with the coach.

tifoso6
tifoso6

We need a point guard.   Who is that pg who scored 75 points in Europe.    We need a new coach also.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

Repost


Regardless of individual performances or awful coaching (which we should be waaaaay used to by now), yesterday was once again, if it wasn't enough with Charlotte, a huge "WAKE UP, YOU SUCK DONKEY D¨CK" call. Of course, Woodson is the main accomplice of this phenomena.

I said it way before the game yesterday, "please make it respectable". They weren't even able to do that. I isolated myself yesterdat. It was one pathetic outing, which makes me think, as I was earlier on this season, that this team is nothing more than a steaming pile of hot s¨ht with absolutely no chances of doing anything of relevance. 

Christ. All it'd take was a little will power. But nooooo. That's too much for Woodson's Knicks. What a pathetic group of individuals. All led by an even more pathetiic human being. I have absolutely no sympthathy for this man, and, quite honestly, just like I did with Prngles, I curse the man.  Damn the day Kidd, Sheed, and KT left this team. It has exposed Potato head's endless flaws in the most intense of ways. 

We're ckuffed. We are so ver ckuffing ckuffed.

Very rarely do I attach so much hate to a person.

Woodson is awful. This team has no heart or will.


We'll be lucky to get to the playoffs. And that's real talk.


It saddens me to say, but we ain't going nowhere.

lindro88
lindro88

When the excuse after every loss is "we didn't show up" the fact is the talent isn't good enough. It would be impossible for a team to "not bring it" every time they lose a game. They needed to bring a bunch of different players and a new coach last night if they wanted to compete with Indiana. Reading Woodson and Melo explain that Indiana isn't 30 pts better than they are is pathetic.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

One of the biggest problems by far is that the Knicks don't drive to the basket. The take waayyyyy too many jump shots. Amare is the only consistent scorer in the paint. Shump, jr, and Thjr need to drive to the basket consistently.

zebeto
zebeto

IVAN JOHNSON is coming back to nba........knicks should inquire .

buddhabing
buddhabing

Sad thing is that I think they did bring it. There just isn't much to bring with this mismatched roster. I know Woodson isn't a great coach but when you have a roster full of defensively challenged, fundamentally unsound players it's hard to beat the better teams in this league; especially on the road.

zippo
zippo

melo was taking on the pacers by himself that first quarter...usually I would say sit melo  the last 2 minutes of the first quarter but in that game if I was the coach I woulda kept him in the second quarter from the start instead of sitting him half the second quarter...one of the main problems I see with this coach is he doesn't know when to ride players and not to ride them...this whole season im thinking the pacers are overachievers and we an underachievers but I  been wrong that team is stacked and we are not very good :(

rkj473
rkj473

@cole3244 This is true, if you watch the Knicks on every possession, they all just run to a spot, maybe the get Melo a pick to free himself up or the pick n roll at the top of the key. Other than that, they just stand there, no motion, no one's moving or anything. It's a shame that we can say that they are being "coached."

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@BiggieSmalls Who's in Angola?

Personally, I'm working in South America now, so it seems our fanbase is quite cosmopolitan.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knickster I do believe in the talent in this team (obviously we're not talking about championship-level talent, or even ECF type of talent). 

I think there's more than enough to make it hard for anyone in the first round, maybe put up a good fight and reach the 2nd -ala Bulls last season-.

But this team has little consistency, little heart, little hustle, and is horrendously mismanaged.

This will limit any sort of chances and possibilities....

knickster
knickster

@kneggyknik I agree in part only, Kneggy. Most players would love to come play here - we just choose the wrong ones. And the "media" is great, but our team is bad - if you doubt it, show me an instance of negative press the Knicks got that is not deserved. You will have a hard time finding it. Let's keep it real: every time we make excuses for our sorry-ass roster, we are playing Dolan's game.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@kneggyknik I honestly believe that the talent available doesn't translate at all to the record we currently hold.

I do believe that we have a coach that has destroyed this team and it's confidence. I believe we have a coach that hasn't helped developing chemistry, that has mismanaged players, and dug a hole for this team that seems very hard to climb out of.

nncyel
nncyel

@VerySilentJay Far be it for me to tell people how to act or what to write, but I'm going to do it anyway. The venomous insulting of sports figures - be they players, coaches or management is really way, way out of line. To call Woodson a pathetic human being is simply over-the-top. He had an NBA career as a player and as a coach which actually makes him one of the more accomplished people among us. Very few people achieve either of these accomplishments. 


I suggest that if watching basketball pisses you off to the extent it clearly has that you find yourself another avocation. For some reason fans attach expectations to teams that they follow and when those teams don't follow through, fans feel the right to attack them personally. I don't understand it. I follow my teams and if they win great; if they don't it's not the end of the world, and certainly not a reason to become what you are by making these sorts of posts - a nasty, bitter person.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@lindro88 Nah, man.

The talent is there.

The sad truth is that the dedication and professionalism isn't there to really sweat for the organization that pays you millions of dollars.

And of course, this starts with the coach.

knickster
knickster

@buddhabing You said it: they ARE trying - but they are not good enough. As simple as that.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

I agree.....but I think it's a combination of wrong lineups and offensive philosophy.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@nncyel @VerySilentJay Well, everyone sees the game in their own way. 

I respect what Woodson did as a player and the pedigree he's gained throughout his career.

But, from my perspective, he's just killed this team. From his approach to the game to the way he handles his players to the way he approaches the media. 

I just can't get on board with what whatever it is he's trying to do, which still isn't clear at this point in the season.

But most of all, because his decisions and actions are of tremendous detriment to the team.

Far be it for me to judge a person as individuals, which is not my intent. I am, however, questioning Woodson as a coach in every sense of the word. And from my perspective, he's not at all what this team needs. He's only contributed to the downfall of players, and has taken tremendous steps backwards as a coach.

I still believe this team, under Woodson, can make the playoffs, but I don't believe Woodson has the chops, at all, to take us to the level we all want this team to be at.

knickster
knickster

@VerySilentJay@lindro88


You're delusional, Jay.  The talent is not there. As simple as that. Go player by player and think of how good they are....

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@BiggieSmalls I'm all over the place. They got me covering soccer from Argentina, Brazil, and Chile.

Currently, I'm in Chile 

Can't complain, really. I finally came back to the place where I was born. Hadn't been here since I was a little kid, so it's all well and good.

Only thing is the time difference. I get to watch games at 9.30-10 and then I can go out and grab some drinks.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@bockers @VerySilentJay @kneggyknik @Sandro Guedes @buddhabing Things is, regardless when/if a rebuiding project starts.... It'd take at least 5-6 years, maybe more. It's not an exact science. No pick is guaranteed. Even if you have lottery picks. There's no saying what will happen or turn out,

Look at the Cavs. They've had endless lottery picks and only one really panned out, Kyrie.

You need a strong FO that works with the same ideals at every level, a FO that is patient, and that is consistent with its decisions and moves.

We just don't have that.

I don't know how much trust I have in the presen FO for a rebuilding project.

Not only do you need a ton of luck, but you need proper management.

I don't believe we have that.

knickster
knickster

@Sandro Guedes@knickster no prob...btw/ glad to hear about your social work!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @kneggyknik @VerySilentJay Your Felton assessment is spot on. 

Regardless of his many shortcomings, if Felton is on his A game, the Knicks are infintely better.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @VerySilentJay @kneggyknik 

True that. 

You're speaking the truth today, buddy.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@nncyel @VerySilentJay It defintely is not the end of the world and most certainly won't ruin my week, but I still gotta vent.

Thanks for the advice though, friend, but as a sports journalist, I'm around sports all day.

Bball is pretty much the only sport I'm not close to right now.

I'm very passionate with this team, so every once in a while I'll go ape like I did earlier today.

It certainly doesn't mean life is over or any sort of over-the-top comment my post might have suggested.


Still, venting is very healthy.

nncyel
nncyel

@VerySilentJay Human endeavors are singular experiences. Would the Knicks be #1 in the EC with Frank Vogel as coach, and the Pacers struggling for respectability with Woodson as coach? We'll never know, but we can guess. My guess is no. 


I had never really looked at Woodson's career record. He took over a bad Atlanta team and the team's record improved every year after he took it over, peaking at 53-29 in 2009-2010. He gets fired, the Knicks hire him and his first partial year and full year he has a 72-34 record, a 67.9 winning percentage. That's spectacular. I think most everyone expected that record to continue this year, and partly explains why so many fans are so upset. But given his initial performance, do you really think this season can be explained by Woodson being an awful, awful coach. Then how do you explain his record over the first 100 games? Still a little Jeremy Lin cosmic dust performing magic on a MSG resident? I just see no evidence for him being a horrible coach other than the fact that the team is losing. 


The Knicks organization has tried. They signed Stat, they traded for Melo, they signed Chandler, they traded for Bargnani. They signed a coach with a decent record, after the vast majority of you wanted to get rid of D'Antoni. It hasn't worked. C'est la vie.

nncyel
nncyel

@VerySilentJay  I come to this blog once in a while. I'm self-employed and can easily waste the day reading posts and posting here if I'm not careful. You post quite a bit and most of your posts are thoughtful. Your initial post I thought was over-the-top, but hey, we all need to blow off steam once in a while, so I apologize if I cast aspersions your way.


My nephew coaches JV girls basketball. I went to their game yesterday before the Knicks game and had a great time. Go watch a local high school team, or college team that you haven't attached expectations to, and take some enjoyment out of watching their athletic skills and competition against each other. Heck, why not simply take a time out from Knicks basketball and watch the upcoming Olympics. Better yet, best yet, go play some basketball yourself. That's what I'd prefer to be doing if it wasn't so difficult to get access to publicly funded gyms like high schools.


After the JV game, I turned the Knicks on and they had that spectacular first quarter. Then my wife wanted to watch American Idol, and, yes, we only have one television. Tried to get the game on the internet but that wasn't working too well. Checked the scores on the internet and all of a sudden the Knicks were getting blown out. Went and cleaned up some paperwork that I've needed to get to for a while. Checked the score once in a while to see if it was worth it trying to get the game on the web, but they never got back into it. Went to bed. Knicks losing not the end of the world.


I'll make a separate post on my feelings about Woodson. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Mel Brown 

Like I said, we are ckuffed. I don't see this team playing much beter ball other than we've seen. 

I was happier than anyone to see such a nice stretch of games, but I was the first to come out and say that there's no reason to believe things have been corrected or that the team has turned a corner. I just don't believe we have the coaching to really become a threat in the East.

As long as Woodson's still around, that will be our fate.

As long as he's around, the team will have total and utter disregard for hustle or passion. Though, to be fair, this falls very much on the players as well. Coaching may be weak and motivation may suck, but as a pro you gotta bring it non stop every game.

As long as he's around the brand of ball we've seen won't improve.

As long as he's around players won't be managed properly.


The talent on the team will fight through these flaws every now and then, but there's only so much they can do if they're not properly guided.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

Wow....total contrast from your previous post.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knickster @VerySilentJay @lindro88 That's the beauty of blogs. Obviously we will differ. No issues there.

I definitely respect your pov, but I can't stray from mine.

I think there's enough talent, at least, to fight hard in the playoffs, possibly to a 2nd round. Even if it's a one and done, this names on this team certainly do not reflect their record or the awful way they've played.

I also beileve that the talent here is being managed in the worst of ways, which is certainly limiting our best players and completely blocking the development of our younger players.

Mel Brown
Mel Brown

It's sad that a lot is considered in regards to this overseas figure. Y do u give fork what he does???