Raymond Felton ranked 30th in the league in PPG

Harris Decker

Raymond Felton, Kyrie IrvingRaymond Felton is having arguably the worst year of his eight year NBA career. During Monday night’s loss to the Milwaukee Bucks, Felton scored just three points, shooting 1 for 7 from the field and letting Brandon Knight hit the game winning shot in his face.

It wasn’t all Felton’s fault. After all, it was a great shot by Knight. But after the game, Knight said that he wanted Felton on him for that shot. It makes sense. Felton is one of the worst defenders in the league. Felton has given up huge games to other starting point guards this year, including Kyrie Irving and Kyle Lowry.

With his three points against the Bucks, Felton’s PPG to 10.7. That is ranked 30th in the league among point guards. He is being outscored by everyone from Jeremy Lin to Avery Bradley. In addition, Felton’s 1 for 7 from the field dropped his shooting percentage to .408. That hideous number is good for 49th in the league among point guards.

There are a few more troubling numbers that relate to Felton’s career. This year, Felton is averaging fewer points per game than at anytime during his career. In fact, it isn’t even close. In 2011-12, Felton’s worst season to date, he was averaging nearly an entire point more… and things are a long way from the 15.5 he averaged in 2010-11. He’s also averaging less steals and less assists than at any point in his career.

No matter how you spin it, Raymond Felton has been horrendous this season and could be the worst starting point guard in the NBA by the time 2013-14 comes to a close. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. The Knicks need a new point guard in the worst way.




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joe11
joe11

Heard the Mavs are trying to get Larry Sanders. Let's get in on that...

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

firing heady murphy will make a difference in moral and sports being 90% mental, this move will make a huge difference. it may even affect trades because maybe now somebody may want to come here to play.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

Starting line up:  Felton, Pablo, JR, Melo, Chandler 

Second Unit:  Beno, Hardaway Jr, Shump (MWP), Kmart (Tyler), Amare/Bargs


Shump plays better with Beno since Beno is left handed and works on the side of the court that Shump likes to shoot from.  Plus, Shump played great his rookie year off the bench during Linsanity.  JR plays better off Melo and will play harder/smarter as a starter.  You get small ball with Melo at the 4 to start.  MWP and Tyler play spot minutes depending on match ups.  Go with Amare and Bargs at the 5, resting Amare some games.  


First sub in is Hardaway Jr (for Felton).  Then Beno (for Pablo).  Then you take out Chandler (bring in Amare or Bargs), then JR (Shump or Kmart).  Then Melo (Tyler, Kmart, Bargs depending on game situation/match ups).  

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

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Pete Mavrikk
Pete Mavrikk

This is near the bottom of the grave that Jim Dolan has been digging him self for years now. There is no move to make. No trade can save this team. The only thing that's left to happen is the star player to bail. This is not melo's fault. The first problem is Amare. The gamble didn't work, the plan was a bust. His contract not Melos is the crippling one. Until that is off the books we don't have a chance. Felton sucks, d-league point guards aren't going to save us, and Priggs defense is just as bad if not worse. Trading for Bargs proved to be a fire able offense.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@refguy22 Boy it's really bad with STATues questions your coaching!  I wish he would question where he should be on the court when playing defense.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes  Again a false equivalency , Melo was 1 draft choice, we should not have given up Chandler no balls, but that is on Jimmy, not Melo, Bargs?? disaster, Amarie bigger disaster, Chandler (Ty) huge mistake). Sans Pat, we have never drafted well since Eddie Donavon 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Exactly and that is why Melo is doomed here and we are doomed with him here.  We and Melo and wasted an huge opportunity years ago when Melo should have opted to come here via Free agency to give us max room to trade or get players to really help him.  He went for the easy max money and now he sees how Knicks Mgmt does things.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@illmatix @Seth Nadler  Yup. The time to fire him was about 2 months ago.

Unless  they have a good replacement lined up to take over immediately, we'll be stuck with Herb. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@refguy22 @Biggie  Good to know about the cap and how numbers work. If I'm believing biggie, which I can't say I am. The Knicks will likely find another way to retool around Melo. That is if he stays. But I agree with all who say that if Melo even gives a hint of walking or is seen as noncommittal. Then you talk and see what can be worked out. If not and he is still noncommittal. You deal. Get draft picks for Melo, Chandler, Shumpert (If possible). Or wait for a better coach to rehab the value of players like Shumpert and Chandler. The FO did so when they traded Z'Bo and Crawford last time out. But they didn't get much in return. Can't allow that to happen again.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@refguy22 @BiggieLOL I;m been basically telling him this for years.  He has no idea about the game but he sure could be the team's accountant.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes @Knicks_Fanatic@Chris 

It all depends on who the players are. If you have say James Harden and Paul George as your $12 million players, I'll take them. If your $12 million players are Bargnani and Humphries, I pass. If the $24 million player is Amr'e, sorry no way, but Melo at $24 million is fine.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Kiyan Carter  What gets me is that a Lance doesn't happen in NY. I think Shumpert is comparable physically but that Indiana team has better coaching, mentorship or whatever. Not in NY. I hate Jim Dolan!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes @Chris 

We CAN sign Melo for $24 million. We CAN'T sign 2 $12 million players. It doesn't matter what would be better. It's all about what options the Knicks have. There is no way to get Stephenson and Deng.

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris  And what am I talking about, I`ll simplify it, your supposition is that because we signed Melo we gave away the ranch, and if he wants the privilege to stay here he should be the one to sacrifice for a ring. He is a great scorer, he will go into the HOF. There have been many in the HOF that have no rings. So why should he depend on the Guitar man to do something? 

Chris
Chris

@Sandro Guedes @Chris  Sign 2 for 12 and you get 2 pieces, not a star. Pat slicked the NBA to get the threesome, that deal was worked out at the Olympics way before free agency. Want to look at our real failure it was giving Amarie that contract, not bringing in Melo. I think if Jimmy boy gets someone with brains in the FO and lets him work we will build around him and Melo will give some money to help, if its just Jimmy and Mills ??????????????

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@Biggie  Disagree Biggie.  Unless its Lebron or Durant, no one else in the league is worth more than 20 million under the new CBA.  CP3 if he didn't get hurt and Howard before his injury.  But its a new era, teams like The Knicks just haven't realized it.  


Look at the good teams besides Miami and OKC.  Heck, even with them Lebron is making LESS than Melo and so is Durant.  But outside of those two guys, every other team that is good their star players make way less than Melo.  Melo is worth about 16 million a year.  Anything more than 18 and we're setting ourselves up for being average or kinda good at best.  It will be made worse if they then blow the rest of their cap space on one more "star" at 18 to 20 million.  Its not smart.


Look at Indiana.  Portland.  San Antonio.  Golden State.  The good teams outside of Miami are good because they are balanced and have stars surrounded by good role players.  You have to have a combination of smart FA signings and developing your own players.  



solar_lion
solar_lion

@Biggie  I think they play Hai lai in that part of the world. Ole Port of Gaul.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@xmenreturn That's a silly argument and in hindsight its easy to say that...but going into the lockout he wanted to know what he was getting (I'm sure his agent as well), cant blame him for that.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@solar_lion Really, Duhon has been stinking up the joint for years and he's still in the NBA with guaranteed money. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@xmenreturn @solar_lion  Generally the market takes care of players like Duhon and TD. After Fat Felton stinks up this showing, he aint getting a better pay day elsewhere. His and other marginal prospects salaries trend down on their showings over a course of time. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@solar_lion The fact that the NBA players union can still secure players like Duhon and TD guaranteed contracts means they are plenty strong. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Chris @xmenreturn @solar_lion  Yep. Better inducements to stay 5 versus 4 years contracts if you sign elsewhere. While not a franchise player tag. It is a franchise player inducement.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Biggie @xmenreturn  Agreed. Over the History of the CBA, that I've looked over, the Players have lost both in terms of the duration and amount of percentage increases on their contracts. That's not a sign of whelping strength.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Chris LOL I'm with ya there! There's always room in my budget for free tickets! 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Like I said Biggie, Melo is not very smart or strategic thinking to win a ring unless everything just happens to be already there for him,.

Chris
Chris

@xmenreturn @Chris  Free tickets are free tickets, used to go to ACC games at Maryland and Orioles games when he worked a U Maryland

Chris
Chris

@xmenreturn @Chris  Agreed and agreed. That is why I can`t afford to take my family to a game anymore, must depend on my son getting free Nets tickets from his WS firm

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Yep. The sport where you can easily get injured has no real guaranteed money like most of the others.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Chris @xmenreturn  I will never say that players who get guaranteed contracts for millions and can't even shoot free throws or do basic things are underpaid.  

Owners and players are overpaid imo. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie My point that Melo was going to get paid very well regardless of any CBA contract.  If he had people around him telling him otherwise, they he should have fired them instantly. It's not very hard to read things and Melo had choices.  

He should have known that money would there regardless but whether he could win a ring with an organization that hadn't shown the ability to do so in decades was the bigger risk he should have foreseen.

Chris
Chris

@xmenreturn @solar_lion  Contract sucked, owners are billionares and made out well. Players not so much. It is not really a free market any more

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie No union is a strong as the one in baseball but the players union is very strong in b-ball.  All contracts are basically guaranteed. Where else can a Duhon get guaranteed money?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@solar_lion Come on man, This is not the NFL.  The players union are strong and contracts are guaranteed. No way in heck whould players agree to play for a fraction of contracts others had before still playing. Melo knew he was going to be very rich for years guaranteed and to think anything less, means he's not very smart.  

I wouldn't expect any player to take a risk that they would make themselves not secure financially. This simply was not the case.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@xmenreturn @Biggie  He waited and made his move on stable grounds. Hence while the rules of the game were know to him. Melo made his move at a time when the sands were about to shift before him. Now if you're saying Melo shoulda have thought ahead- keeping in mind that a new CBA would come in 2011. Then yes, you are correct to say Melo lacked foresight and hurt his own ability to pick and choose a team to build around. There we can agree.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@solar_lion PLEASE! This is the NBA with guaranteed contracts and a powerful players union.  You are totally crazy to think Melo had a realistic chance of being forced to play for 5 million a year if he didn't do it the way he did.  

Look where he is now?  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie I hear ya  but that was not going to happen. Melo did what most less informed players do which is take the max money on the table and hope everything works out around him

CBA aside, look how smart LBJ was (even though the way he announced it was stupid), he waited to be a free agent, knowing he couldn't take that team of Bustas any further, he made sure his next team had the mgmt and players to help get him to the next level before deciding.  

LBJ knew money was not going to be an issue and his main thing was to get a ring quickly as he can before the monkey on his back turned in to King Kong.  

Compare that to Melo.  There's talk about Melo having to go to his 3rd team without any better way to win a ring. 

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Biggie @xmenreturn  That's always the thing with Monday Morning Quarterbacks. Variables that could have realistically have happened- and surely way on the mind of a player pursuing free agency--  are discounted to fit some nice narrative that just happens to make that critics point. Freaking hindsight critics are a bunch of clowns.

Chris
Chris

@Biggie @xmenreturn  Good point, again haters don`t want to hear, kind of like the 3 monkeys hear no evil.....

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Melo was in the drivers seat and he could have conveyed that he was not signing anywhere and hw would opt for free agency and then sign with the Knicks.   

Dude, We didn't need Melo to run Pringles out of town. Pringles should have been gone prior to Melo coming. That is what I' m talking about in that a smart Melo should have informed Dolan that for me to come to the Knicks via free agency or etc, Pringles needed to go. 

He wasted a year or so of his career with Pringles.



xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Kiyan Carter Sure I can.  Unlike Football, B-ball contracts are guaranteed. Melo knew he was going to be very rich no matter what and if he won a ring in NYC, he would be a total icon and make money all kind of ways. 

This is why I say we have some dumb players because if the market would guarantee me being rich for years, I could concentrate on making sure mgmt got me players to help me win that ring so I could be even richer and legendary in NYC.