Report: Brian Shaw trying to get out of contract with Denver

On ESPN Radio on Friday, Stephen A. Smith reported that Brian Shaw, currently serving as head coach of the Nuggets, is attempting to get out of his contract in order to become head coach of the Knicks (Stephen A. Smith, ESPN Radio).

Phil Jackson and The Knicks were recently linked to Shaw, and it was reported Thursday that he was happy in Denver.




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kph16
kph16

Let's remember who said this though... Stephen A. Smith. The man famous for stirring up rumors and false reports just for the sake of popularity. His reports have become irrelevant to me.

melo7
melo7

Kevin love told t wolves he wants to come to Knicks or la again. If not he's leaving though free agency.

Any idea of some trades that we could put together to get him this summer?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Interesting article on why non-experienced coaches are getting hired;

Since the end of last season, 21 NBA head-coaching vacancies have been created. Rick Adelman retired a few weeks ago and Doc Rivers was traded from Boston last summer. All other openings were created by coaches whose contracts expired, who were fired or resigned before they were fired.

Two franchises, the Cavs and Pistons, make the list twice. The only teams not on the list are the Bulls, Mavericks, Rockets, Pacers, Heat, Pelicans, Thunder, Magic, Trail Blazers, Raptors and Wizards.

Coaches and executives polled this weekend at the NBA predraft camp agree the instability is damaging the franchises and quickly thinning the candidate pool. 

http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/jason-lloyd-rapid-turnover-of-nba-jobs-forcing-teams-to-get-creative-with-candidates-1.488860

Basic points

a) 21 new coaching hires have exhausted all the top assistants and candidates.

b) Teams are reluctant to hire retread coaches due to knowing their flaws.

c)Untried candidates are now in vogue; Kerr, Fisher, Kidd, Billups....

Tikki
Tikki

Not to belabor the Kerr story, but the situation left me irritated - not with Kerr, not with Phil, but with the media.  I need to vent.


A chronological order of events:

1. Phil (or Dolan, if you please) offers Kerr a 3-year, $13.2M deal.  This INITIAL offer is "more than fair" (Kerr's words) and generous when compared to the salaries of other coaches who came into the NBA with NO coaching track record (Mark Jackson: 3-years, $6M, Jason Kidd: 4-years, $10.5M) .  Keep in mind that NO ONE ELSE has courted Kerr - EVER - for a coaching  position up to this point. 

2. Golden State group meets with Kerr and offers a 4-year, $17.6M deal.  

3. Phil (Dolan) tags on a 4th year in order to match the Golden State offer.

4. Golden State tags a 5th year onto their offer.

5. Rather than provide the Knicks with an opportunity to match/outdo the GS offer, Kerr decides to simply accept the GS position.  He notifies Phil of his decision


And then the post-Kerr news headlines read that Phil "lowballed" Kerr with initial offer. And that Dolan is already "clashing" with Phil.


Incredible.

C0P0
C0P0

OT: I know we chew at the movies sometimes, 

so here's a quick blastoff at the box office champion this weekend - GODZILLA


Godzilla was faintly ok at best. Good if you've lived under a rock the last 60 years 

or is a 20 something yr. old that has never seen any of the classic monster films at all.

It took far too long to see Godzilla and too little off him, once he hit the scene.

Script was thinner than Rhianna's tee shirts.

Best actor wasn't even the lead. It was the guy from Breaking Bad.


Some good writers and director and like most bad moves, you'd have a good movie. LOL 

Godzilla (the Monster) was actually pretty awesome, but just not enough of our favorite Judo lizard. 


Overall, I'd give it a 2 out of 5. but it wasn't  big G's fault. 

jax13
jax13

Not that I think love is gonna come here but it is amazing with all the past dysfunction, the basketball world laughing at us, all the ny knick hate out there that free agents like Kevin love still would come here.

I love the new direction with Phil jax n think he is gonna do a great job. I think Dolan will meddle but Phil can handle it. He handled reins dorm, Krause, west, younger buss etc.....

Kerr is not a failure, I want someone that wants to be here. It was a blessing in disguise. I am more concerned about the roster more than anything.

In a long worded way, the knicks will get guys here n I believe in Phil. The media wants to make him look bad cause of Kerr. There is no rush n no reason to hire a coach because the media thinks it is the right thing to do right now.

Phil, take your time n keep us moving in the right direction.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

I haven't posted in awhile and a lot of things happened. Yes I wanted Kerr am i upset he went to GS? NO! I dont blame Phil because Kerr picked GS, how is that Phil's fault? I read a lot of people on here already turning on Phil dying for him to make a move just to make a move. Just sit back and see what he does, I'm in no rush to sign a coach lets go through the full process because there are many quality coaches out there i.e. Hollins, JVG, Mark Jackson. 


PS dont expect a lot of roster changes this season, we are very handicapped with a lot of bad salary. 

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

"We both have a goal ... I don't got no problems with them, but on the court there's no friends." - LANCE STEPHENSON


This is the mentality i want each and every Knicks players to have. I know This is a different era but i want my team to be mean on the court, i want them to have no friends on the court, off the court i dont care who you have as friends. Miss the good ole days

madskills
madskills

Kevin Love's people have supposedly told the T-Wolves to trade him or lose him for nothing. Love prefers to go to the Lakers but would be open to coming to the Knicks per hoopshype.

jax13
jax13

So everyone is blasting knicks for offering Kerr a three year 13 mil deal?

There is a reason why guys have agents and they negotiate. Were they supposed to start at 22 mil for four years so they end up giving him 25 mil or more.

I hope they do not lowball players but a first year coach who has not coached a game? I am fine with offering Kerr 13 mil for three years n starting the negotiation from there.

I hope Dolan did not get involved with negotiation but the knicks have been burned by bad coaching decisions the last 10 years.

buddhabing
buddhabing

If there was a way to sign and trade Melo and get in return a top 3 pick in this years draft how many here would sign up for it? I would.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

The price of coaches has just gone up!

One source with knowledge of at least one team's coaching search said Ollie will want a contract larger than the five-year, $25 million deal the Golden State Warriors handed Steve Kerr.

The reasoning is simple: Ollie has a longer record of success and accomplished more (won a national title) than Kerr has as a head coach. This is Kerr's first head-coaching job.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24565141/report-kevin-ollie-wants-more-than-steve-kerr-money-to-jump-to-nba

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Mark Jackson has reached multi yr agreement with ESPN to return as NBA game analyst starting tomorrow rejoining Breen and JVG for Game 1 of ECF on ABC

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

For everyone discounting Luke Walton as a possible coach, remember his playing career was very much like Phil Jackson. Lots of time as a backup on a championship team run by a great head coach. He would probably need time as an assistant, but don't discount his potential based on playing ability.

Greg Popovich never even played in the NBA, nor did JVG, SVG, Spolestra, Casey, or Thibs. Looking to get the coach with the big name is so Knicksonian. 

Let Phil do his thing.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@melo7  

Due to the lack of draft picks, Minny will probably want one/both of Shump and Hardaway Jr.,, along with ~$13M of contracts (Chandler/Bargs).

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Tikki  

Looks to me like the GSW offer had many advantages over the Knicks; location, length of contract, superior team, and better owner.


madskills
madskills

@knega  My picks in no particular order would be; Jeff Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Derek Fisher and Fred Hoiberg. Van Gundy doesn't need an intro, Jackson has shown he can coach in this league but has room for improvement, Fisher and Hoiberg based on potential and the ability to mold them.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@JayfromtheFix  I agree with everything you stated, but you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe we are hiring Hollins, MJ, or JVG.

Jesse Brand
Jesse Brand

We have 2 bad contracts relax and they add up to 10 mill in fatton and jr

knick4life
knick4life

Agree Jay. Other than Melo and maybe Shump Knicks have been soft for years. What made guys like K Thomas stand out so much.

brookdon
brookdon

Love is destined for the Lakers. UCLA store before college (with Russell Westbrook and Darren Collison)

buddhabing
buddhabing

Philly has 2 1st rders and 5 2nd rd picks. Pretty sure you can get a pick from them.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Gee Daniels  

The whole of idea of having a Dolan employee tailing a coach recording everything he says, isn't a conspiracy. It's a fact.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@buddhabing  ill say NO..  I'd want more than just a top three pick  for Melo.


Melo right now is better than all three who are really just question marks while Melo is a given.

Billy Suede
Billy Suede

@Knicks_Fanatic  smart of ollie, he's got a blank check at uconn so he's got the hammer right now. he can ask for the moon if he chooses because he still can go back to uconn as the coach of the defending national championship while kerr has....a job at tnt. 


well played, kevin. well played. 

buddhabing
buddhabing

@knowledge   I wouldn't mind one bit if Lue was the choice. He has just as much if not more credentials as Kerr as far as i'm concerned. He's been an assistant coach under Doc Rivers since 2009. 

Tony Fonseca
Tony Fonseca

Phil is in charge and he is going to lead and choose the coach regardless who that is. If Mark Jackson is hired it will be Phil's hire not Dolan. The article is just cheap joirnalism. I myself could do netter than that...

melo7
melo7

@bigchieftriangle what kinda deal do you think the Lakers could put together?

Tikki
Tikki

@Knicks_Fanatic @Tikki  

Agreed; no way for the Knicks to counter those advantages.  Other than with money - which GS was prepare to match at every step.


The current state of the Knicks' lockerroom isn't exactly a "draw" for any of the potential coaching hires out there.

C0P0
C0P0

@knega  Seen a graph showing that in every Godzilla remake, his first appearance is later in each consecutive film! I'm a patient movie goer, (I'm a Knick Fan) and can soak in a lengthy film with the best of them, but the extended wait just to have Big G, basically, make a cameo in his own film, was unacceptable.


Ok. I'm not going to spoil it anymore, but don't say you weren't fairly warned by a professional movie buff. LOL

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

@Seth Plaut @JayfromtheFix  I know its a long shot my point was there are a lot of good coaches out there no need to rush to make a move just cause like some on this board wants


JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

@Jesse Brand  We have Jr Felton, Amare, TC, AB. Yes they are expiring but they are bad contracts and the best thing to do is to let them expire or trade them ONLY if we are getting a superstar player back 

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

@knick4life  TBH even Melo is a bit too friendly to me. Shump is a throw back guy and is the main reason i like him as a Knick and he has some talent that can be developed to be an above average player. 

C0P0
C0P0

@knowledge @Knicks_Fanatic  Yup.

Blaze NYK
Blaze NYK

@carl hill @Knicks_Fanatic  Totally not the point and you know it.  The point is that how good a person was as a basketball player has no relation to how good they might be as a head coach.  They are completely different skill sets.  In fact some people say that mediocre players make the best coaches bc they can bring out the best in role players since they were ones themselves and usually were able to carve out a career not based on their athletic ability but doing all the little things a coach wants all of his players to do. 

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@carl hill @Knicks_Fanatic 

The number of great players that won rings as coaches is rather tiny. It's guys like Pop, Phil, Carlisle, and Spolestra that have got it done recently. 

Vogel, Brooks, Pop, or Spolestra is going to get one this year.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@kingofny @Knicks_Fanatic

The players that Phil signs better listen to a young coach, because he is looking at a few guys under 40. Walton, Lue, and Fisher are all in their 30's. 

Tikki
Tikki

@Knicks_Fanatic @Tikki  

"If more than one team wants Derrick Fisher, you can bet he will get a nice deal."

All it will take is an offer from Phil, and Fish will end up with multiple offers from other teams.  Hoiberg will have Minnesota and Utah calling.  

But yes, I completely agree with your take.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Tikki  

It looks like coaches are also going to benefit from the turnover rate. You have 5 teams, NYK, LAL, Jazz, Cavs, and T-Wolves all without coaches and a thin talent pool. If more than one team wants Derrick Fisher, you can bet he will get a nice deal.

Mark Jackson interviewed for several jobs and it took years before he got an offer from GSW. There were not multiple suitors. 

Although folks here won't accept it, we are not a desirable destination for coaches. It's where coaches go to die.

JayfromtheFix
JayfromtheFix

@madskills @JayfromtheFix @knick4life  Agreed gritty doesn't mean wins, I think what I'm trying to say is we need an identity more than anything else. Me personally i want bought gritty players. I love Melo but i would like him to have that Kobe/Jordan mentality when on the court

madskills
madskills

@JayfromtheFix @knick4life  Melo didn't look too friendly to me when he was waiting for KG after that game lol. All jokes aside, I do think we need more gritty type of players but that doesn't ultimately win championships, talent and team work does. The Spurs aren't gritty and neither are the Heat. Very few Thunder players have a chip on their shoulder.