Report: Knicks to shop Amar’e Stoudemire over the summer

The New York Knicks are expected to shop Amar’e Stoudemire and his expiring contract to teams that have not yet already used its amnesty clause, according to the Boston Globe. The report names Eric Gordon of the New Orleans Pelicans as a possible target, because the team is looking to shed his long-term deal.

“The Knicks have limited options to improve this summer but a move they are expected to make is offering the expiring contract of Amar’e Stoudemire to a team that has not already used its amnesty clause. That team in turn could trade the Knicks the long-term, unwanted contract of an impact player, such as the Pelicans’ Eric Gordon”

Harris Decker

Saying the Knicks are shopping Stoudemire is pure nonsense at this point. Of course Steve Mills (a.k.a. James Dolan) would love to shop Stoudemire, but who is going to take on the worst contract in the NBA? Sure, he’ll be an expiring deal, but do the Knicks want to take on a long-term bad contract for an expiring one?

I’d like the Knicks sit tight, get what they can out of Stoudemire over next season and then have the cap open up in the summer of 2015.




110 comments
chudogz1
chudogz1

Boston globe guy is a moron.. U can't trade for a player and then amnesty him... That guy is a definite MASS-HOLE

L
L

I can definitely see detroit doing that trade..

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

The boston guy who wrote didn't mention anything about the amnesty the Knicks blog I did.

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

Why are you people surprised, you really think the plan is to wait till 2015 and 2016 to improve the team..not according to the dolan plan, the dolan plan is to keep melo and use the huge expiring contracts of amare, bargs and Chandler as well as your 2 young assets in hardaway and shumpert to bring in immediate help. Although I confess I don't think Chandler moves. Come on people would it really surprise anyone to see the expiring of Bargnani traded to the pelicans along with say shumpert for eric Gordan? Here's another one would it really surprise anyone to see Amare's expiring and say Tim Hardaway JR to Detroit for say Brandon Jennings and Josh Smith? Everyone in the world knows JR smith can't be moved. Felton probably goes to jail on at least of the 3 felony chargers .....so if melo stays your starting 5 is Jennings, Gordan, Melo, Smith and Chandler. Prigioni, jr Smith is your bench so far, maybe Tyler, Aldrich, kmart, Earl Clark and Shannon Brown are part of the mix. I think those 2 traded are very realistic.

Derek Gaines
Derek Gaines

You can't use the amnesty clause on a player who is traded. Boston guy has no clue what he's talking about.

Ed
Ed

Still don't get why the Knicks couldn't sign D. J. Augustin for the league minimum? I guess they though Felton and Prigioni are All-Star playes

Chris
Chris

maybe dolan wants DAW to quit so he doesn't have to pay him.

dogmanx23
dogmanx23

You can't Amnesty a player you trade for.... I dunno what this guy is talking about. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

I thought that if a team traded for a player they couldn't use their amnesty clause on them. Am I wrong on that?


I'm a little late to the party in this comment section and don't feel like reading through everything so excuse me if this has already been covered.

chudogz1
chudogz1

Fellow Knick fans..... We need to stay in contact with Phoenix, daily!!! They have two good to great point guards in Dragic and Bledsoe..... Once fatty is off to Rikers for a few years in June, we have no point guard, and these are 2 very nice options....Knicks WILL NOT make the playoffs, to all u hard headed, non reality facing, numb skulls..... Have a nice day

hashburry
hashburry

Well Harris, what you would like is all that matters.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

People underestimate how expiring deals are viewed, especially considering there will be teams looking to clear cap for 2015.

Granted, the return won't be marvelous, but at this point, a couple of unprotected 2nd rounders plus a decent contract would seem like a blessing for such a waste like Amare.

@chudogz yes that can the knicks did it with chancey Billups

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

I just read the article, boston guy didn't say it, the knicksblog person did, but its made ti look like the boston writer did, that's where your venum should go.

chudogz1
chudogz1

NO THANKS.... We always take on "bad" contracts that never work... People aren't just letting good players walk, OKC was forced with Harden... All players named, SUCK right now, except maybe Jennings.... Smith n Gordon are underperforming and over paid.....

Chris
Chris

@anthony G. Decesare  I like adding Smith, would also take Monroe, Gorden has no real handle. Didn`t in college still has none. He is a little better version of Shump with a huge contract. Jennings is not the answer at the point. Never been a winner

L
L

I can definitely see Detroit doing that trade possibly

knickstape
knickstape

@Pevi Levi  stop talking I'm sorry man but KD is never coming to NY

Keith Hayes
Keith Hayes

I think they move one plus another player or two on draft night for an impact player or first round pick...

chudogz1
chudogz1

@SuperDuper. Guitar Jimmy thinks his strategy works.... He still thinks the Nene trade, plus draft picks, for McDyes, after knee surgeries, was a great move... SMH.... To rebuild, we have to not take on longer, bad contracts, but cut our losses and buy the guy out straight up or let his contract expire along with Barnani n Chandler...... But my guess is we will trade them for the likes of Gerald Wallace and Eddie Curry

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ Matthew Fraguela. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, because guitar Jimmy don't like the guy, just like Van Gundy... Everyone blames the GMs for all these issues, ever since Dolan took over the team, we've SUCKED..... Google it, it's not the GMs........

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Matthew Fraguela  

Dolan ran Thibs out of town. Why would he allow Walsh to hire him as coach? Dolan believes that Thibs was leaking stories to Isola.

He blames Supranowitz for the ouster of former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who is now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

"I've known Tom Thibodeau for 15, 16 years," Isola said. "He has never once given me a story. We were just very friendly. Whenever I used to get a story, he used to accuse Tom Thibodeau. Here's a guy who might be coach of the year, but they wanted to run him out of the organization not because he didn't do his job well—he was great at his job. They thought he was leaking stuff to me. This is how dangerous some of the people are in this organization. Tom is the most loyal employee you'll find, and these knuckleheads ran him out because they thought he was telling me stuff. I mean, give me a break."

http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@Matthew Fraguela  Lol I don't think he was worse than Isiah but I also don't think Walsh was as great as people say. He did what other GMs wouldn't and that is technically tell NY that we're rebuilding. That's it. In the process, he got rid of decent to good players for nothing and made questionable draft choices. He was a prominent name so we received some of the "respectability factor" we were missing in the FO. 

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

Theirs is zero chance dolan lets the 3 expirings just run out and does nothing for a year.

Matthew Fraguela
Matthew Fraguela

@chudogz  

Lupica sums it up today:

"For those 10 years, with Checketts in charge of basketball at the Garden and Riley and Van Gundy coaching (with a 34-25 stint by Don Nelson in between), the Knicks had a regular season record of 495-293, which is 202 games over .500. They went to the Finals twice, the conference finals two more times, and the conference semifinals five other times. And you know that for so much of it they were going up against Michael Jordan in his prime.

You know what has happened since. (When Daddy handed the keys to the spoiled son).


And in the 13 seasons since (little) Dolan became the big boss of the place, the Knicks’ record, through Friday night’s embarrassment against the Warriors at home is 432-595. They have gone from the ’90s to that, to being 163 games under .500, to winning one playoff series — one — since first Checketts and then Van Gundy were gone"


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/lupica-garden-gloom-article-1.1707828#ixzz2upDYML28


chudogz1
chudogz1

THERE U HAVE IT FROM SOMEONE IN THE KNOW

hashburry
hashburry

@SheSaidSpikeWho @Matthew Fraguela  All Walsh did was clear cap space.  I can't believe he was behind the Amare deal.  Dolan desperately needs a high profile player on the Knicks, totally at the expense of building a team.  It is hindsight but the Knicks could have put together a real team if they had just avoided the bad contracts and not tried for a quick fix once LeBron wouldn't come.  Instead, nothing they have done has worked out and they have to do a half baked rebuild on the fly.  If Walsh just did what Dolan wanted, he was the worst kind of lap dog and did a great disservice to the franchise.

Matthew Fraguela
Matthew Fraguela

Only issue with Walsh, aside from this coaching decision... was the Hill draft pick.  Totally botched that. And, the fact that the Knicks team he took over then is better even today than the unit we toss out on the floor this afternoon. Zach Randolph, David Lee, J-Craw, Matt Barnes, N8, Wilson Chandler.  This team TODAY still beats our Knicks.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@VerySilentJay @Matthew Fraguela  Layden was worse. He took a team apart that consistently went deep in the Playoffs for the likes of Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, etc. Traded away Camby and Nene for a player with knee woes. Drafted a bunch of Euro srubs. Traded for washed up players like Glen Rice, Luc Longley, etc. Zeke did not have the opportunity to clear cap space and build a team from scratch the way he was able to in Toronto. Dolan wanted to keep butts in the seats. So Zeke made trades to appease ownership.


No one, I repeat, no one was worse than Layden.

knickstape
knickstape

@Pevi Levi  no way! John wall wants him to come "home" you know who else wants him? every other team

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown  


A viable option for the Knicks, yes, but for the team receiving A'mare, NO! 

Do Chandler have value, maybe.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Mel Brown

This information is known by most here, but I'll post it for you (it was posted earlier by another blogger).

Amnesty is a one-time opportunity for teams to release one player via the waiver process (see question number 64) and remove him from their team salary and luxury tax computations. For a player to be eligible for the Amnesty provision he must be on his team's roster continuously from July 1, 2011 to the date he is amnestied, without any new contract, extension, renegotiation or other amendment to his contract in the meantime. Players who were waived prior to July 1, 2011 and are still receiving guaranteed salary are also eligible. Teams cannot amnesty players they sign, receive in trade, extend, renegotiate, or otherwise amend after July 1, 2011.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q68



redhorse
redhorse

I keep seeing that we signed amare after lbj made his decision...from what I remember amare signed first...and it was to offer lbj that we had someone he can play with...its easy to say now giving 5 years was a lot but it needed to be done at that time...its not like giving up draft picks....

And again just remember yea z randolph j crawford were good pieces but the knicks like now were a joke and those players had bad contracts...walsh did a great job for us to even get into the position of signing lebron or that free agebt class which was a historic one so of course they had to try to get into that position

chudogz1
chudogz1

@Matthew Fraguela. Without erasing that, I knew we sucked since he took the keys..... I just think the GM's, or people labeled GMs in this organization take to much blame, then have to be quiet about it bcuz they must sign something in they're contract stating they can't tell the facts once canned by guitar Shimmy

Matthew Fraguela
Matthew Fraguela

@hashburry @SheSaidSpikeWho@Matthew Fraguela 

If Knicks licked their wounds, accepted they lost on LJ in that free agent summer of 2010... If they just resisted the itch to do something... anything...they could have simply stunk 2010-2011.  Get lottery pick, and if ping-pong delivered the #1 pick: Kyrie Irving is a NYK right now.

Chris
Chris

@Pevi Levi  And Ty Lawson who went late. Could have traded down, got a player and still gotten Ty

chudogz1
chudogz1

Draft picks weren't all that. I'm sure it was Dolans idea to give stat 5 yrs to fill the seats. That's all fat boy cares about

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Matthew Fraguela   

That Isiah team, that everyone is now in love with, went 23-59. They were 23rd on offense and 29th on defense. Even as bad as we are now, we will have a better record than that.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kiyan Carter  It depends what the plan is. If you wanna create cap to surround Melo with young talent, then you think twice. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic @VerySilentJay @Kiyan Carter  There's a difference. In this hypothetical scenario, we're getting rid of a cancerous contract.

But like I said, you gotta be really careful about the type of contract you take back. You don't want another albatross.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@VerySilentJay @Kiyan Carter 

We took Bargnani off Toronto's hands and proclaimed we were getting a former number #1 pick. Forrmer 20 ppg game scorer and Melo's number 2 option.

Deja vu all over again, if we get Evans.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kiyan Carter  He came into the league as a SG, but was given ball handling duties in SAC. Never operated as a distributor.

Shoot first, pass last SG which gave him results in a lottery team.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kiyan Carter  Evans is a SG/SF who's had a regression beyond imagination after his great rookie year.

Certainly an overpaid bench player on a lottery team. That's what he's been reduced to, and some think he'd be a starter in NY, and sure, why shouldn't he? We have the worst backcourt in the league.

If the FO plans to move that moronic contract, they have to be very careful in what they take back for it.