Report: Woodson on hot seat, but no firing … yet

Sam Spiegelman

Knicks head coach Mike Woodson is on the hot seat, sources tell ESPN.com, but he’ll have a chance to salvage his job.

The report indicates Woodson understands his job is in jeopardy, but no decision will be made regarding the coach’s future until Tyson Chandler returns to the lineup. Should Chandler help turn things around for the Knicks, especially on the defensive end, Woodson could potentially remain on the sidelines.

Chandler is expected to return to the lineup tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks after missing 21 games due to a fractured right fibula. He has played in just four games this season.

The Knicks’ center and best defensive player by far may have to get back to work quickly, though, as reports suggest Woodson could be judged on a game-to-game basis by upper management. The only reason no change has already been made, according to sources, is because it did not want an interim coach in place at this early juncture in the season.

According to sources, potential interim coaches — Allan Houston, Darrell Walker and Herb Williams — are not exactly viewed as saviors for the team.

Management’s reluctancy to make a move was evident after Woodson did not receive the axe following his questionable coaching decision not to call timeouts in the Knicks’ final two possessions in the team’s Monday night loss to the Washington Wizards. The loss dropped the Knicks to 7-17 and fourth in the Atlantic Division.

Bovada estimates Woodson has 5-4 odds of being the first coach fired in the NBA this season, followed by the Nets’ Jason Kidd (5-2), the Wizards’ Randy Wittman (9-2) and the Cavaliers’ Mike Brown (11-2).




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caseysdad
caseysdad

Get the threads fixed enough is enough.

lolz
lolz

the king is back

ivo
ivo

Isles/ SoundTigers sign goalie-

C.J. Motte, Goaltender, Ferris State Bulldogs, Senior (6’0″ 176 lbs)

Motte has been outstanding for Ferris State this season, putting up .921 save percentage.  In fact, in his four NCAA seasons he’s never had a save percentage below .925.  He has very good fundamentals.  He tracks the puck extremely well, cuts down angles, moves well laterally and controls his rebounds.  Add in a lightning quick glove hand, and you can see why he’s so hard to beat at the NCAA level.  The one thing Motte has added to his game is maturity, as he now rarely gets flustered after a goal and is ready to stop the next shot.  This prevents things from spiraling out of control on him (which had happened at times in his first two seasons).  Motte is also an excellent puckhandler for a goalie.  He attended the Montreal Canadiens prospect camp last summer.

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

The Isles aren't tough enough up front- Matt Martin disagrees.

The Isles out hit, out shot and dominated the face dot last night.


The Isles lead the league in hits, and have two of the top five hitters in the NHL.


Present a position on how the Rangers, Habs, Bolts, Wing or Pens are "Tougher" then this Isles roster. Those are the other 5 Eastern Conference teams with 90 points or better like the Isles.

Good luck making a case for the Pens, Bolts, Habs, or Wings.. But it will fun reading any attempt at making that case.


I can say the Bruins are potentially tougher- but right now the Bruins are golfing when the payoffs start.


Failing that- the counter would be to redefine "toughness" into something else decidedly not toughness. Been down this road before, but go ahead start the car. 


Lets put the "toughness" drama out where it belongs. Curbside with the trash..


The Isles sit second in the Metro standings because at this point in time, the first place team in both eastern divisions are getting EPIC goaltending. One from an expected source who should win MVP in addition to the Vezina, the other from an unexpected source. 


So be it.. Luck runs out.. 


Give the Isles 38 shots a night on goal, and most of the time the score 3 goals because their shooting percentage would still be below 8%.. Hard to win when the other squad get 30+ shots on goal each night. Years of math to support these points. Some will disagree- but disagreeing with math is bad policy.

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

@rmbbanned2 math and hockey aren't the same thing though.  if your goal is to outshoot the opponent no matter what shots we're talking about, and you forget the little part about actually beating the opponent, your results might not be so good.  in hockey terms.

as for the epic goaltending, the ranger games i've watched haven't been about the goaltending.  they're about the team.  the play hamonic made last night would cost any team a goal.  top teams, top d-men, don't make that play.

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

@gleichzal2 I take observation based on "my eyes" to be worthless.. None of us is a NHL scout- rather we are fans of a team siting on a sofa watching a game. It isn't an insult to you, because i place myself in the same category. If we knew that much, we'd be standing behind the bench coaching, not sitting on the sofa watching via television.


Historically- with massive piles of data to support it- out shooting your opponent leads to a markedly greater chance of outscoring your opponent. Are there outliers to that data? Each and every season. The best recent example of that is last seasons Avalanche. Luck runs out, and when they didn't change their roster to account for those short comings, well nobody is raving about Roy and Sakic this season, eh? Funny about how that worked out, and the pass that management gets from hockey media. That team will have 20-30 fewer points this season then last year, but lets be critical of Joshua Ho-Sang..


Back to shots on goal.


If outshooting your opponent leads to victory 2 games out of 3, that is how an entire industry centered in Vega$ was built. Nothing is certain, but having control of events that lead to a greater chance of success, is the best way to be successful. Restricting shots on goal, having more shots on goal, are very clear and certain factors that lead to success. Math tells us so. I trust Math more then any set of non-NHL eyes.


"you miss 100% of the shots you don't take"..

That guy was pretty good..

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

@rmbbanned2 @gleichzal2  Dude, we have one line that leads the league in hits and the rest of our team is not overly physical. JT, KO, Bailey, Franz, Garbovski, Grabner, Brock, Strome, DeHaan, Hickey, viznovsky, Leddy...none of those guys are physical.

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

@bosstrots1 


Funny how you overlooked Anders Lee in your list of non physical players. He tries, but with not much success. But lets include Anders Lee as physical, for the point of discussion.


I actually think KO is a physical player. He wins board battles, and drives the net. 

I think Nelson gets it done along the walls, and has clearly no fear of driving the cage( his current conversion rate isn't good, but that will come with time).Plus he centers Lee, whom you consider physical. Kuli is just a bear along the walls. 


KO on the top line..

Nelson and Lee on line 2

Kuli on line three

Line four en total..


physical players on each line..


Defensively

Boychuk first pair.

Hamonic on pair two

Possibly Strait on line 3. HIckey bangs, but lacks size..


I am fine with that. 


IF you think the other 90 point teams in the East out physical the Isles, have at it.


Wings- seriously?

Pens - ?( nobody hits more when your back is turned))

Habs- ? no, eh..

Bolts-? common..

Rangers- maybe- if you show me.. 


I worry about the teams in the East with 90 points, because those are the teams the Isles might see in mid April. 


That list should grow by 2 more teams- otherwise i care not for the rest of the field..


caseysdad
caseysdad

@gleichzal2 @rmbbanned2

I guess some people don't realize that a shot that hits the crossbar is NOT a shot on goal, so quanity does not trump quality.

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

These games are excellent. Sure winning is better then a single point, or zero points. But the Isles will make the playoffs, and this is what they need to prepare for the playoffs.


The last few weeks, the Isles have been very strong defensively. The lack of written complaints about the PK is a clear indication the PK has been very strong. ( haven't read about Cronin in weeks- how about a "nice job Cronin" from a few of you guys. Or is is complain mode only)


The last few NHL finals have featured teams that excelled in goal prevention. Well it is pretty clear the Isles have DRASTICALLY improved their goal prevention these past few weeks. They are still generating a ton of shots on goal, while improving their goal prevention. Opposition teams require their goaltenders to have save percentage WELL ABOVE league averages to stay to the Isles in these games. 

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

@rmbbanned2 how many shots did the wild take for their one goal?  islanders got the 'above average' goalie play too.  but anyway, all contenders improve goal prevention this time of year.  the games aren't as open.  islanders need to improve goal prevention not just relative to their own ho-hum historical levels, but relative to the rest of the league, especially other playoff teams.

rmbbanned2
rmbbanned2

@gleichzal2 

as too your first point- your answer" but anyway" fits perfect..


If your counting on your goalie to stop 37 out of 38, or 38 out of 40 each night- good luck..


That is a save percentage of what 95% each and every night.. not happening..


Great "goals allowed" are the result of two things.

Few shots faced, and lots saves on those few shots.


Facing 35-40 shots a night every other night in the playoffs - before overtime-- hard to see that happening.


stopping that many shots, and having to do it the next night( playoff) even tougher..

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

and why the heck do i keep getting knick comments on the islander blog?  i love the content on this site, but the technical side is a nightmare.

also, during games when there's more traffic it freezes and takes forever to work.

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

it's not enough to zip around in center ice and say 'their legs are back.'  you have to play strong in front of the nets, on both defense and offense.  i can understand why halak might give hamonic a dirty look.  i've seen way too many times that a d-man doesn't read the situation and makes one of those silly touches on the puck.  too bad because halak looked pretty intent on winning this one 1-0.

but also on the offensive end they need to play hard around the net.  like cappy always brags that 'we kept them on the perimeter,' he should realize that islanders on offense are way too much a perimeter team.  in fact to me the number one need on this team is a strong veteran forward, more even than a d-man.  islanders don't have a single tough veteran on offense.

TomDinNJ
TomDinNJ

The Isles came out flying which was good to see, but got no goals in the first for their effort. Minnesota, the anticipated "tired team" dictated the play down the stretch. I believe everyone could feel that they were going to tie the game in the 3rd. Cappy needs to get his lines set and stick with them at this point. Grabner should get back in the line-up and Kennedy should be a depth guy. It's too bad our 1st line only has one 1st line player on it.

since72
since72

@TomDinNJ i'm thinking that we need a first line forward in the off season - a good one - to get to the next level.  i don't know if dal Colle is going to be ready by then.  If the right player is available from a cap strapped team, I wouln't hesitate moving Reinhart if need be. 

since72
since72

@willymayshays Frans has struggled this season.  Maybe not a bad idea to do what you say.  What they have been doing for the past 6 games isn't working.  3 points is a recipe for a quick exit in April, however the team only had 1 poor game too vs Chi.  Sure those line look good, see what happens.... 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@since72 @willymayshays


Frans played very good for the first 2/3rds of the season.  He just isn't going to score much on the 3rd line.  Last yr he was playing on the scoring lines and the yr before he centered that very good line I mentioned above.


Last 2 months have been rough for him though... as a big Frans fan, I'm thinking he must be playing banged up..?

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

@since72 @TomDinNJ as i just wrote above, they need a strong veteran forward.  kids are a crap shoot.  and some of the islander kids look a little over-rated right now.

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

@TomDinNJ yeah, i'm all over grabner for kennedy.  for one thing, when i saw kennedy live at nvmc i was surprised how short his legs are.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@TomDinNJ


Agre lines need to be shuffled.  I don;t think you need 3 stars on the 1st line, I think it's more about chemistry.    How come we never see the JB/Frans/KO we had get us to the playoffs 2 yrs ago?  I think it would be a great option to try and then you could try Strome on the 1st line with JT.  that line could be deadly.  


Lee/JT/Strome

JB/Frans/KO

Grab/Brock/Kule

MM/Cizi/Cal

Don22
Don22

@gleichzal2 @since72 @TomDinNJ Are you saying Dal Colle and Ho Sang are over rated?  If not them, who else?  I do't really see that much depth after them. 

caseysdad
caseysdad

@willymayshays @TomDinNJ At this late date all the line juggling must be wreaking havoc on the chemistry of all the lines and the coach is too damn inexperienced, or stupid take your pick,. to solve it, he needs to stop, mingling and stay with set lines its way to late to discover a line that may work better then the others, he should have solved that much earlier this season.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

agreed, they had some good jump to their game. halak was great again. so was dubnyk. fact is we tied in the team game.  managed to get a point so not all was lost but we need to get back in the W column eventually.  i'm expecting grabner to be given a shot next game.  don't think it would hurt to try lee on the top line and kyle on the second line either.

since72
since72

@slapshot18_rs The effort is there but the team isn't scoring.  1 goal in 5 of the last 6 with a 2 spot in the other (e/n discounted).  I agree, put Grabner in there.  I think we have to try somthing because 7 goals in 6 games doesn't cut it.  Pretty good to have gotten 3 points given that. 

since72
since72

@slapshot18_rs They went through a similar dearth of goals last season with a stretch where they were getting 2 or less for several games - and that was with Vanek!  They will shake this off and get back on track.  Just don't want to fall below 3rd.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@since72 @slapshot18_rs


I think it's just a matter of luck/timing/chance.  It's like rolling 3 6's in a row.  If you rolled the dice 82 times, it might happen.

bosstrots1
bosstrots1

Sorry Brian but I disagree.  Isles were the more desperate team in the first but once Minny kicked into gear they kind of took the game over from us.

Bobby Blazes
Bobby Blazes

This is a mess the ship is sinking bring in JVG

Jake Sendar
Jake Sendar

Its funny that some of you are blaming Woodson for STAT and K-Mart's injuries.  Kmart is 36 years old, not to mention he's been injury plagued his entire career.  And Amar'e is Amar'e...  It doesn't matter if he plays 10 minutes or 30 minutes per game.  He'll still get injured.  Anybody who expected otherwise hasn't been paying attention these last three seasons.


It's too easy to blame Woodson.  We all thought he was great a season ago.  Has he forgotten how to coach?  Doubtful.  The Knicks are terrible because they're terrible.  Sometimes that's just the way it is.  Knick fans are upset for the wrong reasons.  Instead of crying about the way things are going this season, we should be angry at the front office for throwing away our draft picks, mismanaging the cap, and killing our flexibility for the future. 


The difference between competent franchises and incompetent ones is preparing for situations like the one the Knicks are in.  If the Spurs went into a season thinking they had assembled a winner, even in the event things didn't shake out that way, I would bet they would at least have multiple draft picks and cap flexibility to help turn things around.  


Its called a plan B.  Something the Knicks haven't had in nearly 15 years.

rgm891
rgm891

@Jake SendarWe could actually blame woodson for amar'e injury. He clearly stated to the media that he knew Amar'e was at risk with the amount of minutes he has been playing. Plus, Amar'e was playing every game? This of course can be blamed on Woodson. He even stated if the Knicks are 15-5, Amar'e wouldn't play. He's desperate for wins and I believe Amar'e injury is Woodson fault because he's being selfish because all he's think about is how to win the next game, which is all luck. The guy is completely clueless and has no plan B. 

PeteyWheatstraw
PeteyWheatstraw

Woodson makes it to the end of the season because no GOOD coach takes a gig in the middle of the season. Herb, Darryl & Allan are they gonna get more out of this team? I don't know.


I want Woody gone not because the season is a debacle so far but because I feel he cannot out-coach the teams ahead of us, Spoelstra, Vogel, Thibodeau which means we have a ceiling at the 2nd round.

frankieboy
frankieboy

Chandler comes back , we still lose Woody is gone and my bet is they try and hire one of the current NBA coaches available. 


There is no scenario that is good right now. Dolan must be betting we are this bad due to injuries which we have a lot of. No surprise Amare out with swollen knee's .  


They are going to see what comes of having Tyson back and then , my guess, is fire . They go to a interim coach and its bye bye Melo. If that happens expect a trade . Melo , Tyson, JR, Iman, for players and a lot of picks. Full tank job

ds2488
ds2488

I think this just goes to show how stupid and lost NY management is.  This guy has done one of the worst coaching jobs in recent memory this season, punctuated by an inexplicable brainfart that gave us no chance to win the game against Washington.  We're 10 games under .500, the coach is desperately overplaying players in a desperate bid to save his job, players and coaches are taking shots at each other in the press and throwing people under the bus...and we're gonna take all this and wait and see on a game-to-game basis?


For what?  What more do you need to see from this coach to fire him?  Would a blowout loss tonight to the worst team in the NBA do the trick?  Would JR Smith going Latrell Sprewell on Woody do the trick?  Would Bargnani and Beno no-showing tonight in response to the coach throwing them under the bus yet again do the trick?


I understand Allan houston and Herb may not be viewed as "saviors" (as they shouldn't be), but why should that stop the team from firing a coach doing a terribly incompetent job, losing the team, and overplaying players to the point of injury?

boobsmcgee
boobsmcgee

Nothing good will happen to this franchise unless one of two things happen.  


1. Dolan just flat out sells the team.  

2. Dolan hires a competent GM and LET'S HIM CONTROL ALL BBALL OPERATIONS (doubt this will ever happen)

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Does anyone think the F.O is gonna figure out how to get a draft pick some how?

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Whatdo we do then? Do we have a 2nd round pick atleast?

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Did yall know that chris smith had 28 points n 4 assist on Saturday? What do guys think about that? Is he just like his brother( could score in bunches?)? Damn I want a pg! We should of signed bobby brown n Earl Barron, we messed up Bad!