Report: Woodson on hot seat, but no firing … yet

Sam Spiegelman

Knicks head coach Mike Woodson is on the hot seat, sources tell ESPN.com, but he’ll have a chance to salvage his job.

The report indicates Woodson understands his job is in jeopardy, but no decision will be made regarding the coach’s future until Tyson Chandler returns to the lineup. Should Chandler help turn things around for the Knicks, especially on the defensive end, Woodson could potentially remain on the sidelines.

Chandler is expected to return to the lineup tonight against the Milwaukee Bucks after missing 21 games due to a fractured right fibula. He has played in just four games this season.

The Knicks’ center and best defensive player by far may have to get back to work quickly, though, as reports suggest Woodson could be judged on a game-to-game basis by upper management. The only reason no change has already been made, according to sources, is because it did not want an interim coach in place at this early juncture in the season.

According to sources, potential interim coaches — Allan Houston, Darrell Walker and Herb Williams — are not exactly viewed as saviors for the team.

Management’s reluctancy to make a move was evident after Woodson did not receive the axe following his questionable coaching decision not to call timeouts in the Knicks’ final two possessions in the team’s Monday night loss to the Washington Wizards. The loss dropped the Knicks to 7-17 and fourth in the Atlantic Division.

Bovada estimates Woodson has 5-4 odds of being the first coach fired in the NBA this season, followed by the Nets’ Jason Kidd (5-2), the Wizards’ Randy Wittman (9-2) and the Cavaliers’ Mike Brown (11-2).




66 comments
Bobby Blazes
Bobby Blazes

This is a mess the ship is sinking bring in JVG

Jake Sendar
Jake Sendar

Its funny that some of you are blaming Woodson for STAT and K-Mart's injuries.  Kmart is 36 years old, not to mention he's been injury plagued his entire career.  And Amar'e is Amar'e...  It doesn't matter if he plays 10 minutes or 30 minutes per game.  He'll still get injured.  Anybody who expected otherwise hasn't been paying attention these last three seasons.


It's too easy to blame Woodson.  We all thought he was great a season ago.  Has he forgotten how to coach?  Doubtful.  The Knicks are terrible because they're terrible.  Sometimes that's just the way it is.  Knick fans are upset for the wrong reasons.  Instead of crying about the way things are going this season, we should be angry at the front office for throwing away our draft picks, mismanaging the cap, and killing our flexibility for the future. 


The difference between competent franchises and incompetent ones is preparing for situations like the one the Knicks are in.  If the Spurs went into a season thinking they had assembled a winner, even in the event things didn't shake out that way, I would bet they would at least have multiple draft picks and cap flexibility to help turn things around.  


Its called a plan B.  Something the Knicks haven't had in nearly 15 years.

PeteyWheatstraw
PeteyWheatstraw

Woodson makes it to the end of the season because no GOOD coach takes a gig in the middle of the season. Herb, Darryl & Allan are they gonna get more out of this team? I don't know.


I want Woody gone not because the season is a debacle so far but because I feel he cannot out-coach the teams ahead of us, Spoelstra, Vogel, Thibodeau which means we have a ceiling at the 2nd round.

frankieboy
frankieboy

Chandler comes back , we still lose Woody is gone and my bet is they try and hire one of the current NBA coaches available. 


There is no scenario that is good right now. Dolan must be betting we are this bad due to injuries which we have a lot of. No surprise Amare out with swollen knee's .  


They are going to see what comes of having Tyson back and then , my guess, is fire . They go to a interim coach and its bye bye Melo. If that happens expect a trade . Melo , Tyson, JR, Iman, for players and a lot of picks. Full tank job

ds2488
ds2488

I think this just goes to show how stupid and lost NY management is.  This guy has done one of the worst coaching jobs in recent memory this season, punctuated by an inexplicable brainfart that gave us no chance to win the game against Washington.  We're 10 games under .500, the coach is desperately overplaying players in a desperate bid to save his job, players and coaches are taking shots at each other in the press and throwing people under the bus...and we're gonna take all this and wait and see on a game-to-game basis?


For what?  What more do you need to see from this coach to fire him?  Would a blowout loss tonight to the worst team in the NBA do the trick?  Would JR Smith going Latrell Sprewell on Woody do the trick?  Would Bargnani and Beno no-showing tonight in response to the coach throwing them under the bus yet again do the trick?


I understand Allan houston and Herb may not be viewed as "saviors" (as they shouldn't be), but why should that stop the team from firing a coach doing a terribly incompetent job, losing the team, and overplaying players to the point of injury?

boobsmcgee
boobsmcgee

Nothing good will happen to this franchise unless one of two things happen.  


1. Dolan just flat out sells the team.  

2. Dolan hires a competent GM and LET'S HIM CONTROL ALL BBALL OPERATIONS (doubt this will ever happen)

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Does anyone think the F.O is gonna figure out how to get a draft pick some how?

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Did yall know that chris smith had 28 points n 4 assist on Saturday? What do guys think about that? Is he just like his brother( could score in bunches?)? Damn I want a pg! We should of signed bobby brown n Earl Barron, we messed up Bad!

lindro88
lindro88

This game to game thing is idiotic.  Woodson literally froze the other night.  Means he is not in the game.  The team is generally down double digits in the 1st qtr every night.  Means they don't come out ready.  They finish off qtrs terribly.  It's time for this guy to go.  If they get blown out by Milwaukee tonight, which is actually possible, is that enough?  

tifoso6
tifoso6

There is a very good coach available now, Bill Lambeer.  Wavering on

decisions is  the sign of bad management.  That is what we have with

the Knick  management,  bad bad management.

Muhammad Gretzky
Muhammad Gretzky

Figured Chandler's return to the lineup would be a determining factor. Don't be surprised if the final decision isn't made in a few weeks after Felton, Mart and Prigioni are back on the court.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Fire the whole dam coaching staff! Get JVG and his guys in here ASAP! And let's move forward for the love oh God!

yikes
yikes

I thought woody did a good job coming in after dantoni, team played great defense and played hard for him after that for that season.  Earned an extension and I was ok with that.


Last year they were solid on most fronts and played pretty well.


This year, the team D has been horrendous, I don't understand his matchups, his substitutions and monday nights timeout situation should have been the last straw, I'm shocked he was not fired on the spot.


That was inexcusable.


he look lost this year, I dont know if he has off the court issues or what have you, But I think he has lost total control of this team and the knicks would be best served making a change, to anyone at this point.

boobsmcgee
boobsmcgee

Chandler won't magically make Woodson a competent coach.  He'll just mask his ineptitude, like last year's team did when they won in spite of him.  The one thing he had going for him was that his players respected him.  Now the losses are piling up and he is losing the lockeroom.  Prime example, Melo finally threw him under the bus the other night.  His days are numbered.  

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Here is the ESPN story on the minute restrictions. Note the part about 4 games in 5 nights that just put STAT out awhile.


NEW YORK -- No one's sure yet if Amar'e Stoudemire or Kenyon Martin will be healthy enough to play in the Knicks' season opener on Wednesday.

But we do know this: the Knicks plan to be ultra-conservative with both veterans this season.

Mike Woodson reiterated on Saturday that he plans to alternate using Stoudemire and Martin when the Knicks play consecutive games. So if Stoudemire plays the first game of a back-to-back, you can expect to see Martin in the second game.

But Woodson took the plan a step further on Saturday, suggesting for the first time that Martin and Stoudemire could be alternating games throughout the season, depending on how many days off the Knicks have between games.

"I’m really considering alternating them from game to game. If there is a game and there’s three or four days between the next game, then we can play them both. But if there’s four in five nights, we’ll probably alternate each guy," Woodson said.

The Knicks have taken a cautious approach with both players in the preseason.

Stoudemire underwent a knee procedure over the summer -- his third operation in the past 12 months -- and was limited to just 29 games in the regular season last season due to knee ailments.

Martin is still feeling the effects of an ankle injury he suffered last April.

That's why Woodson and the Knicks' medical staff have recommended giving both regular rest during the season. 

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/49187/woody-stat-k-mart-to-alternate

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

So if you win a game, you get two more? We'll be a 28 win team with Woody as our coach.

rico
rico

I think your headline and blog entry is rather self evident. No new news there.


Once you replace the big - bad coach you still have a losing team  only now with an interim coach and no 2014 draft pick. Knicks would descend into "blow it up" mode and everyone in the league would know how desperate they are.  Gotta give Woody a week with a full-on Chandler and see if he continues to have a hand in their demise.  The other night it was on him. The rest of the season, not so sure.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Basketball Reference gives the following win probability for tonight's game;

New York (52%) at Milwaukee (48%) 

How the mighty have fallen.

rgm891
rgm891

@Jake SendarWe could actually blame woodson for amar'e injury. He clearly stated to the media that he knew Amar'e was at risk with the amount of minutes he has been playing. Plus, Amar'e was playing every game? This of course can be blamed on Woodson. He even stated if the Knicks are 15-5, Amar'e wouldn't play. He's desperate for wins and I believe Amar'e injury is Woodson fault because he's being selfish because all he's think about is how to win the next game, which is all luck. The guy is completely clueless and has no plan B. 

bigdishing
bigdishing

@tifoso6 The whole thing looks shaky from Dolan to Houston/Mills to Woodson to Shump/Jr to....us. 

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

We have no pg to make everybody better, thats the problem. Its not woody man. We should of never let Lin go, now look at us.

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@boobsmcgee Chandler will mask his deficiencies as a coach and if woodson is not gone this year for some stupid reason, he will most definitely be gone next year. Count on it.

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

It doesnt matter! We suck. It doesnt matter if we go to the playoffs, we cant compete with anyone and if we tank, we get nothing. I hate this man. How can. We have done this to ourselves? We should of picked up Nate the Great, to me he a mini lebron , but of course we dont want that.

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

I think we need to trade Melo, send him to the Clippers for blake n a pick

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Whatdo we do then? Do we have a 2nd round pick atleast?

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@LOL_Knicks_Really yea I think its funny how espn thinks Dolan will fire him now, but we have see with other coaches, aka Isiah Thomas and Mike Dantoni, his leash is actually pretty longer than people expect. I think woodson wont be fired until season's end, but I can be wrong. we will see....

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Would you really want that 15 million he's gonna get in 2015 on the books?

William Lucca Jr
William Lucca Jr

@Juan Maldonado lol at you thinking Lin was our savior. He had a good 7 games stretch man. That is all. I will say he is a solid NBA player, but you make him seem like he is an all star. Chill with that....

debut
debut

@juanmaldanado 38 on kobe? U meant the lakers right

debut
debut

Lol @ retting rin gooooo lmaooooo

Max Denby
Max Denby

Here is the defining point: that 15 mil would NOT have been on the books. Just out of Dolans pocket. See the bird rights rules.

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Youre crazy. Remember Lin scoring 38 on Kobe? No u dont remember that, right? Youre buggin man

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Youre buggin... lin brought so much excitement to msg.

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Youre not paying it.... who cares about dolans money? Look at the Nets budget lol.

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Idk about allstar , but he surevlooked like one with us. The kid was great moving the ball, driving to the rim, and oh yeah, he can score too. So you stop man. We need a pg, so bad right now. We let lin go, just to bring in Raymond? Oh god lmao

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

What would u guys suggest? Build around Melo? Idkkkkk

debut
debut

If game was 11 by ones melo would leave that chump on zero... lmaoooo fk outta here

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Youre crazy! Blake has so much upside compared to Melo. Since i moved to cali, ive been watching Blake Griffin and hes unbelievable. Melo cant do anything else, atleast blake is getting better. Melo doesnt do anything. Blake is way more talented then Melo. One on one, who would win?

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Blake is NOT better than Melo. Blake is vastly overrated. Let him come to the Knicks and see how quickly his flaws become the only thing we see

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Meli might leave for nothing!!! We need to get something out of it. Blake is better then Melo, he has more talent