Shumpert is game-time decision

Iman Shumpert is a game-time decision for Monday’s game against Milwaukee, the team said after their shootaround.

Shumpert said his shoulder is feeling better, but wants to test if he can come off screens.

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skot
skot

To me, till the Knicks get a quality PG who can penetrate easily and set up others, have a better jumper than Felton and can at least somewhat keep other PGs in front of him on the defensive end, they will not be a consistently good team. They may have some good streaks here and there depending on how well Felton plays, but will not be serious contenders. It seems like in some scenarios Rondo, Dragic, Irving, and Lowry are possibly available. Irving doesn't set others up well and Lowry is not that good of a penetrator, but any of these will be a major upgrade to Felton. The Knicks have to do everything possible to get one of these guys, preferably in the order listed above. Once these guys get set in some other teams, it will be that much more difficult to improve our PG situation. The Knicks have to create a war room and work out every possible scenario to make this happen.

bockers
bockers

TKB said D.Will was better than Melo.  LOL

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Knicks are back!!!  Lets go!  run off 9 straight here we go.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Jared Zwerling @JaredZwerling

Talking to league insiders, I'm hearing these names are being mentioned in trade talks within league circles (a lot of talk right now) ...

A. Afflalo, T. Ariza, C. Singleton, G. Davis, R. Evans, P. Gasol, T. Gibson, C. Landry, G. Monroe, A. Rivers, T. Sefolosha and G. Vasquez.


Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Worst thing this franchise can do between now and Feb. 20 is stand pat, which means that's exactly what they are going to do. They are going to wait out the Melo situation and pray the 30 mill will keep him. They won't make a trade to upgrade the Pg position because they don't want to trade the 2018 pick or they feel Felton is the answer.

brookdon
brookdon

Sit him. Shouldn't need him against Milwaukee

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

"Mills and James Dolan blew it by not picking up Kyle Lowry from Toronto, who has played like an All-Star since the trade of Rudy Gay.  If you haven’t noticed, Toronto, is in first place. Now what stopped this trade was a first-round pick in 2018, 2018, that is a hundred years away for a Knicks’ fan.

And, the facts are draft picks don’t always work out take a good look at Cleveland, who had the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA last year, Anthony Bennett. I would take talent over potential any day."

~bucketsoverbroadway.com


I am one Knicks fan that values a current player skill set over a future draft pick.  It is very difficult to get it right with a future draft pick.  Especially when the pick is 3 or so years in the future.  It is almost impossible, to know if that future draft will have great players.  If draft pick was the the best solution...the Kings, Hornet, Cavs, Wash, Bucks, Minnesota, Philly, Utah, etc have all been in the lottery several years with very high draft picks.  Kevin Love has never been to the playoffs, but they have been getting lottery picks every year.

For example, I know what type of player Melo was in 2011...there is no way to know that the 2014 draft would have a few potential great players who maybe great in the NBA. 

Kyle Lowry would have made us the 3rd best team in the east this season. 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

They should permanently list: "Shumpert's offense is a game-time decision."

bockers
bockers

Spencer Hawes and Evan Turner for Chandler and Shumpert and cash.We get a center who can shoot and a small foward who can shoot and defend.It would provide motivation for Melo to stay in NY.

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

“I think it’s an excellent move,’’ Woodson said at the morning shootaround at Bradley Center on Monday before the Knicks face the Bucks. “I think Bynum is a big force in the middle if he can play. It’s a positive move. He had shown signs with Cleveland. He’s had his fair share of injuries too, but they just added another big load to their roster.’’


http://nypost.com/2014/02/03/woodson-praises-pacers-for-bynum-signing/

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

How ironic and sad that the two Conference players of the week are Dragic for the West, a player we all dream we could acquire and Lowry for the East a player we turned down, yet we are stuck with Felton..smh

rgm891
rgm891

@Seth Nadler  Mike Woodson's daughter has a better chance to play over Jeremy Tyler.

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Seth Nadler  Can Jeremy Tyler get some minutes. Or is he still 5th on dipshoot Woodson'sdepth chart?

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@OLDKNICK  Ooh, damn.

Touchy subject.


Imo, on paper, the Knicks won in "win now" terms, but Woodson's has placed his losing stamp on this roster, ruining any chances of success. Denver's win now went down the sh¨tter.


Denver has a great PG, not elite, and no true difference makers. They don't have a player that can carry them in times of need. They let Iggy walk for nothing, their only veteran presence is now viewed as a cancer, and their scoring spark went down for the count (Nate).

They have picks moving forward, but they'll be all mid to late first rounders (should this team and coach actually choose to win every once in a while).


They're pretty much a work in progress. Their projects haven't worked out as they wanted.

They gave Gallo a ridiculous contract, which he hasn't lived up to (not my words, Denver fans see it this way).  They managed to get Chandler a pretty decent contract, yet he's played less than 80 games in 3 seasons, so that was a bust. Mozgov is....well, yeah...Mozgov.


They paid Shaqin' big time and the dude hasn't really been the presence they wanted and ultimately proved to be more important than the tremendously overrated G Karl.


At the end of the day, Denver's situation will be seen in what assets they get from the picks they got out of the trade.


Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Exactly right, no Pg upgrade this team is going nowhere and Melo is going somewhere else

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Oh by the way as far as sandro goes all I gotta do is send you a picture of me. LMAO!!! And then maybe you will drop that ZERO and get with this HERO!!!! I know off topic but I dont know if I responded to the other thread... The war is on Sandro!!!

buddhabing
buddhabing

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Vasquez and Gibson would be ideal. Too bad Knicks don't have resources to pull it off. That's why Humphries and Jack would be more realistic in my opinion. Don't know if those guys on the trading block though.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

Knicks aren't good enough to say we don't need anyone except Bargs. Knicks can beat anyone but also lose to anyone because of Felton, defense and coaching.

chudogz
chudogz

@kiyan carter. Looks good to me:)

brookdon
brookdon

This is the mindset that hurt us before though (no disrespect). Quick fixes with average players. Lowry is an upgrade but not enough to warrant a first round pick, especially when he could be playing over his head simply because it's a contract year.

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

@zdiddy4nyk  Lowry would have helped, but if not getting Lowry means waiting out for Rondo, Westbrook, or Kyrie, I'm okay with it. 

zebeto
zebeto

@Josh Gabriel Westbrook , Rondo or Kyrie .......any one of those 3 would be a complete godsend !

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@bockers  Primary need is a PG.

That's your first and only move. If this means losing Chandler, or JR, or Shump, or anything not called Melo, you do it.

Fact remains, any possiblities out there require giving too much for players that aren't good enough, and others hang upon GM's decisions.

As it stands, that's our reality.


Personally, I tihnk Hawes sucks, dude has no D whatsoever and his outside shot isn't that great. We already have AB for that (though nobody knows when he'll return). Turner is a nice player, but he's in a contract year, has been player strong ball, and will be looking to get paid.


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@OLDKNICK  "I mean, again man, he'll be a big part of what they'll do....I don't want to kick him to the cub or anything..."


I sincerely dislike this guy (as a coach, of course).

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

Funny because AB played a big role in beating Miami. We can't beat the buck's without Shumpert than we might as well hang it up.

knickster
knickster

@brookdon EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm amazed by the lack of vision in most fans. Lowry is just a bit better than Felton - has anyone checked his career numbers? It's absolutely INSANE to think that giving up THJr, Shumpert and a 1st round pick for a decent point guard who will be a free agent at the end of the season is a god idea. 

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

@zebeto I don't really think any big trade will happen. If Melo is gonna get his all-star PG, it's gonna be in 2015 when the Knicks sign one.

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

@kneggyknik Probably right. But I personally think it's more likely than the Celtics trading Rondo to the Knicks. Sometimes I feel that the whole NBA is making a collective effort to not do a trade with the Knicks. 

bockers
bockers

@VerySilentJay @bockers No pass first point guards are available (except Rondo).You really under rate Evan Turner  and Hawes is much better than AB.


Every player on this team besides Melo and Hardaway s/b gone by the 2015/16 season

and M.Gasol ,Aldridge,Love and Millsap are free agents.However,adding a player like Evan Turner at SF and Chalmers at PGthis year would give us something to build on.

zebeto
zebeto

@Josh Gabriel @zebeto..if both would take a lil discount ...hence getting better role players...That would be ideal .

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

@zebeto but how great would that be. 2 local superstars, Melo (Brooklyn) and Kyrie (New Jersey), playing for the hometown Knicks.

zebeto
zebeto

@Josh Gabriel @zebetoagreed ....but we all know when a player starts pouting usually they can accelerate possible trades....(kyrie and rondos case)

Josh Gabriel
Josh Gabriel

@zebeto I'm sure the Knicks will certainly try to make a trade, but their assets are simply not good enough to get a Rondo, Irving, Westbrook, etc.

zebeto
zebeto

@Josh Gabriel @zebeto..between now and 2015 Knicks should try and pry any one of them ............heck , I would even settle for Conley .

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Josh Gabriel @kneggyknik  you may be on to something. the other teams know (unlike some so-called fans) that all melo needs a little more name brand help to get a chip. they probably also know that woody's days are numbered here.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@bockers @VerySilentJay  I'm not underrating Evans at all. Like I said, Turner is a nice player, but his play this season will bring him a solid pay day, which will limit any chances this team has moving forward at getting either a PG or a big man.

I'm not even comparing AB and Hawes, because imo, they both suck. Non defensive shooters.

If anything, AB can score in more ways than Hawes.

I agree that a pass first PG is what we need, but even if we can get close to getting a solid, overall PG, I'm good.

bockers
bockers

@VerySilentJay @bockers Tyson Chandler talks a game but has no moves on offense and is a help defender taking up $14mm.AB cost us a first rd pick and he sucks.Felton is a shoot first bottom third of starters and can NOT defend.Shump can NOT shoot and is over rated

on TKB as a defender.JR Smith is a head case

and needs to be moved.Let MWP,Beno and Martin walk.