Steve Mills met with Phil Jackson

Knicks GM Steve Mills met with Phil Jackson about becoming the next coach of the Knicks (Smith, March 7).

Jackson told Mills he was not interested, according to reports.

Harris Decker

There’s actually two things here that trouble me. The first is that Mike Woodson is still the coach of the New York Knicks. If Steve Mills is actively out shopping for coaches without firing his current coach, it’s like he’s trying to have everything his way. If you want to shop for a coach mid-season that’s fine, but fire your current coach and name an interim coach first. It’s completely unfair to Woodson to have a story like this surface.

The second thing that gets me about this story is the reaction of Phil Jackson. Jackson knows what he’s doing and whether he’s interested in the job or not, he understands that Woodson is still the coach. It would be completely unprofessional for him to come out and say that he’s interested in a job that isn’t currently available. Call it professional courtesy to Woodson or call it a genuine non-interest in the team, but Jackson stating that he’s not interested is not a story. It’s what you’d expect from a Hall of Fame coach.

Sam Spiegelman

I completely agree with Harris. You have a head coach; you cannot be shopping around for another and — above all — you cannot let the fact that you are get leaked to the public.

Having said that, Phil Jackson might not even admit to the fact he was “interviewing for the position,” and instead I’d suspect he would simply explain the scenario as having a conversation with another basketball mind.

For a second, though, let’s just imagine Jackson coaching in the Garden. A former Knicks player and a proven winner, and like a lot of sports greats probably does get the itch to coach again. Woodson has proven he isn’t the man for the job, and unless the Knicks make a serious, serious run and wind up in the playoffs it appears as if his future is already determined. The hiring of Jackson would bring an energy to New York much like when the team made a splash and acquired Carmelo Anthony. Jackson has always had a superstar to build a team around, and perhaps this is the thinking of Mills as he tries to secure Anthony’s future in New York. It’s a great PR move as well as a basketball move, but again, we cannot get ahead ourselves.




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Pete Mavrikk
Pete Mavrikk

Bringing in Phil Jackson in any type of way to the organization would be a good thing. But, don't be surprised if Dolan uses it as the big name smoke-screen to slide Isaiah in the back door.

pagey72
pagey72

I find it hard to believe that Phil agreed to a meeting with the Knicks not knowing who was going to be there, as if he were going on a blind date. I read it as him not being interested at this point, in 2014, with 20 games left and a head coach still in place. Th start of the offseason might be a different story. I think Phil kinda secretly wants to accomplish what only his mentor had accomplished and that's win in NYC on the biggest stage in the world.

How's this for a pipe dream? Phil agrees to become Prez/GM, Melo and LBJ opt out and both agree to sign in NY for way less money the first year (they can split what Melo was going to make which is about 24 mil) knowing that 2015 has cap room to help build a dynasty for the next 5 years. All that while Dolan is sequestered in his tower, never to be seen or from again, except for when it's check writing time! Let's go Knicks haha!

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

“Go at ‘em. Can’t play D,” Tyson Chandler said of his offensive strategy against Kevin Love during a halftime interview in the Knicks’ 118-106 win Wednesday over the Timberwolves.

Love responded after shoot-around Friday: ”F&$% him. I don’t give a s*&^.”

Here’s some context: Love said before Wednesday’s game that he knows Chandler well. They are both members of the U.S. national team and played in the 2012 Olympics.

This very well could be a case of friendly ribbing.

But I, honestly, don’t know. … Was he being supremely sarcastic? Serious? Or is he just sick of hearing about his limitations on defense?


http://blogs.twincities.com/timberwolves/2014/03/07/wolves-now-chandler-says-of-love-cant-defend/?doing_wp_cron=1394218484.9893219470977783203125

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Dolan is like, "They want me to stay out of it and let people do their job. Now they want me to be in it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Lol

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

World Wide Wes...is really Isaiah Thomas.

newyorker9
newyorker9

the way things are going something tells me going Jackson is going to be the next GM for the Knicks....but I think Dolan should of gone to LA with Mills..

kidrobot
kidrobot

How great would it be if Phil Jackson agreed to be President/GM of the Knicks under the condition that we do not re-sign Carmelo and opt to tank next year, get a great draft pick (that we can use- foreign concept) and let Amare, Chandler, Bargs etc simply expire for their $$$$.  Don't sleep on that.  Tim Hardaway Jr. and Shumpert are his type of players.  He could be looking at his backcourt next year than look to sign pieces over the next 12 months to make a run for it with his people.  DO NOT SLEEP ON THAT

chudogz1
chudogz1

Hoopshype.com says they met 2 weeks ago...... Funny that the story just got "leaked"... FOH

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Dolan: 

"Let's give 'em something to talk about/ Let's give 'em something to talk about/ How about Phil, Phil, Phillllll! Scooba Dabba Doo Bop-Bop"


Lol ripped from Will Ferrell Step Brothers and of course Bonnie Raitt.



VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

I think they met to talk about not only coaching, but assuming management roles (actually, I read a couple of tweets -maybe from that idiot Isola-).

Mills knows his role is merely for show at this point, given that Dolan runs the show, so it wouldn't surprise me at all that they actually talked about both gigs.


It was reported a while back that if Jax gets back in the game, it would solely to assume total control of a team ala Riley, and that he was looking to receive salary in the double digits.

I've said it plenty of times, Jax brings a whole new level of pedigree to any FO, and a lot of players would be attracted by his winning history, mentality, and approach to the game. That alone helps.

All that being said, Jax has never assumed heavy duty managerial roles, so his talent evaluation and management talents are still up in the air. If I'm not mistaken, he was the one who recommended Cheeks to the Pistions (that went well).

I'm all for bringing in Jax. His name alone would bring some credibiltiy to the franchise. But make no mistake, as president of bball operations he may very well be a dud. 

Lee Lewin
Lee Lewin

why does it bother you so much Harris that they did this with woodson as head coach? They probably told him that he will coach through the end of the year and that he's done after that. Woodson despite being a terrible head coach is a stand up guy. 

Frank Gebel
Frank Gebel

This is great! dolan is so fu@#ing clueless that he pissed Jackson off because he sent his puppet Mills instead of showing up himself.....what a complete incompetent A@#hole!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Jerry Gee  If this pipe dream actually becomes reality, you gotta be ready for anything.

Jax was a volatile dude back in the day, maybe he's mellowed out in his old days.

It'd be interesting to see what his approach would be.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Jerry Gee  

After playing with the Knicks, Phil Jackson spent a few years up in Woodstock hanging with the hippees.I never saw him there, but a few friends had mentioned seeing him and Charley Rosen hanging out together.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Jerry Gee  

Melo wanted to sign an extension with someone, anyone rather than become a free agent with a new CBA looming. The owners were pushing a $45 million hard cap and locked the players out. He didn't not want to risk losing money by signing after the union and owners agreed to a new CBA. 

Sandro
Sandro

@SheSaidSpikeWho

There are not many good defenders in the NBA. Stars around the league don't play much defense either. You take away LeBron, George, Rondo and Paul...and what other Star plays good defense?

Good defense doesn't get you enough recognition in the NBA.

There's a reason so many here claim Timmy is the next big thing and Shumpert is expendable: defense is under appreciated.

So, not many players feel the need to put effort on that part of their games.

Love and Harden are the latest examples of that.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Well, Love is severely limited defensively (but of course, he's a God at TKB). We all know his rebounding numbers are so good because he forgets about defense and positions himself for the rebound.

K Love is probably frustrated because of several reasons, only one of those being his awful D. He's already shown incredible signs of a b¨tchy little primadonna, he's as soft as PF's come, and he's been vocal about his future for a while, clearly demonstrating that Minny's not the place he wants.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Jerry Gee  I'd pull the trigger on that in this very second.

I'd immediately feel better about the future.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@SheSaidSpikeWho  It's true though....at the end of the day, we all want him to stay out of it, but he's the one that has to go out there and get Jax or any individual to run this team. He's the one that has to pitch him and has to convince them that he'll take a step back.


The alternative is to have Mills, a lackey without much credibility, trying to talk to a bball legend.

Jesse Brand
Jesse Brand

What are u smoking Phil could probley get us lebron and durant to team with melo

Chris
Chris

@VerySilentJay  Yes, but he at least has creds, which in and of itself will make it easier to get players. Who would you rather have making choices Phil, or Duldrum

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

@VerySilentJay  I agree with everything you said. I think Phil would give this franchise some credibility and respect no matter what capacity he is hired . Would he be successful? Who knows? 


I recently read that he said at a convention about basketball analytics, etc that when they were retooling in Chicago, he didn't want Dennis Rodman. He wanted Derrick Coleman. I wonder how that would have been. 


He also said Shaq never worked hard because the game was too easy to him and that the rift between Kobe and Shaq was because Shaq elected to get surgery right before the season and that pissed Kobe off...Kobe felt it cost them the 4th ring in a row. Phil said Kobe wanted the 4th in a row more than anything. (Just thought that was an interesting tidbit).


As far as Phil with Cheeks. He didn't directly choose Cheeks. He told them that he thinks the GM has to be able to pick his coach so they can win it/do it together. Come to find out Dumars wanted Cheeks and we've seen the results. Phil's top choice was Brian Shaw but Cheeks wanted Dumars or Nate McMillan. 

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ VerySilentJay.... Agreed, but definitely worth a shot..... I would say he's up for the challenge. He reminds me of Riley, they only deal with Super Stars, but are as successful as they come..... Plus, what can be worse than now? ;)

rgm891
rgm891

@VerySilentJay  Having Phil Jackson running Bball operations will give me so much more confidence in the future of this franchise.  I know he's not proven but like u stated his name alone will change things.   With him abroad how much worse can it possibly get? 

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@Frank Gebel Disagree. Who does Phil think he is in the grand scheme of things.  If he was so great, why did the Lakers choos Mike f*** D'Antoni?

Chris
Chris

@Sandro @SheSaidSpikeWho  You really cannnot guard most good NBA players 1 v 1. Too many counters to the initial moves. The only savior is the 24 second clock, and stupid officiating

Simone Camouche
Simone Camouche

@Sandro @SheSaidSpikeWho  Defense??!! You have teams, GMs, or team presidents claiming that they're "tanking the season..." just so they can get good draft picks, and we just watched the Lakers play no discernible defense against the Clippers. So yeah, you're absolutely right about the lack of no defense. Ever since AAU became the de facto leader in "preparing" players for big-time basketball, defense has become a commodity, which is a shame considering the going rate for ticket prices. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@VerySilentJay Yep He and AB would be our Twin Soft Towers!  

No wonder those kids in that Taco Bell commercial threw snow balls at him.

kidrobot
kidrobot

@Jesse Brand  LeBron doesn't need Phil Jackson.  He has Spoelstra/Riley.  He is not leaving Miami for anything.  If anything, he would take a hit leaving MIA and not winning elsewhere.  It would be acceptable for him to lose w/ the Heat because he has already won there.  And to your point- Phil Jackson probably could net Durant in two years, so why tie that $$ up with Melo?  I would try for Rondo in a year and Durant in two, fill up with solid role players- a staple of Jackson and be ready for battle in two years from now

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@SheSaidSpikeWho @VerySilentJay  Oh, ok, my bad about the Cheeks issue.

I'd take my chances with Phil any day of the week, but at the end of the day we need to understand that his approach of the game will be the same he conducts himself as a GM.

- How would he handle trade talks? Jax wasn't really the most liked and charismatic individual back in the day.

- How's his man management skills? Check above for that.

- How's his talent evaluation. Obviously he knows a player when he sees them, but can he spot untapped potential in college players to find gems and steals in the 2nd round (for example)?

- Will he pick coaches according to his own style of ball and the personnel he knows (hence the strong Brian Shaw recommendation), or will he find a coach that can thrive according to the players on the roster?

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@rgm891  When you put it under that microscope, sure, it really can't get any lower.

I'd take mu chances in a second though, but I'd be weary and grounded with my expectations.

Sandro
Sandro

@VerySilentJay @Kiyan Carter

- Davis is not a Star, yet.

- Aldridge is not elite defender.

- Howard, I agree, good defender.

- Kobe was, years ago.

- Parker is not elite defender.

- Hibbert is not a Star.

- Wall is not a Star.


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kiyan Carter  Westbrook is a very solid defender.

- Anthony Davis

- Aldrige is solid at his position, can hold his own at the 5

- Howard made a living as defensive superstar

- Kobe turned into a great defensive player 

- Parker can hold his own 

- Hibbert, albeit not a "superstar"

- Wall is also a solid defender


There are plenty of star players that take pride in their defensive work, even if they're not defensive stoppers.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@newyorker9 @MeloStat301lol Yep, ya have to be a gambler sometimes.