Suns deal Knicks a huge blow, but remain two games back of reeling Hawks

Sam Spiegelman

The New York Knicks find themselves in a heavy weight battle as they chase the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference, and the team is continually taking blows.

Friday night, it came compliments of the Phoenix Suns.

The Suns routed the Knicks on their home court, 112-88, the team’s third loss in its last four games.

Again, it seemed as if the Knicks did not show up ready for a pivotal game. Goran Dragic exploited their defense, scoring a game-high 32 points on 11-of-17 shooting form the floor, including five 3-pointers. Afterwards, the Suns’ leading man admitted the Knicks barely put a hand in his face.

“They didn’t play good defense,” Dragic said of the Knicks, who allowed the Suns to shoot better than 45 percent from the field and 42 percent from beyond the arc. “So tonight we could get everything that we want. We swing the ball two and three times, I’m sure we get an open guy.”

It was a similar case on the offensive end, as the Knicks struggled to find offense, even from Carmelo Anthony. Anthony finished with 21 points, seven below his season average,and connected on eight of his 20 shot attempts. Amar’e Stoudemire followed with 19 while J.R. Smith added 15, but Raymond Felton and Tyson Chandler combined for seven. As for the bench: a total 26 points.

Why the Knicks fail to show up on either end of the floor consistently remains a mystery, especially since the Atlanta Hawks  — losers of five in a row — are giving them ample opportunity to make up ground. After Friday night’s loss, the Knicks remain within two games of the No. 8 spot.

“We just weren’t ready for them,” Anthony said. “We weren’t prepared for them, and they ran us out of the gym.”

“We are playing for something and it is disappointing because we just can’t afford to give games away,” coach Mike Woodson said.

Atlanta takes on the playoff-bound Washington Wizards Saturday before hosting the record-bad Philadelphia 76ers Monday night. The Hawks begin April with contests against Chicago, Cleveland and Indiana.

As for the Knicks, the team closes out its West Coast swing with the Golden State Warriors Sunday and the Utah Jazz Monday before returning home to host Brooklyn and Washington.

While the Hawks seem to have a difficult slate ahead, the Knicks’ road may be even tougher, as this road trip has proven the team has struggled to show up on a consistent basis. Like a heavy weight fight, let’s see if the Knicks can get stand up and deliver a blow of their own.




280 comments
knickgirl35
knickgirl35

the guys who blame everyone but the coach must not watch a lot of bball. they won't admit that the things championship teams have and even contenders have other than a  team star the Knick do not have.


a coach who reinforces these things:

solid team defense

a attacking metality

mental toughness 

total effort all of the time

dagawd
dagawd

MelO is a stat padder a low i.q loser.

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

if David Lee and Bogut is out for Warriors

we can beat them. 

i'm not worried about the Playoffs for us now that Lakers loss destroyed that

i had to take a week of mental Knick Cleansing we sure not playing like we even wanna get into Playoffs 

just think like this if we would've kept our streak going we'd be in the Playoffs going into Golden State. 


knickgirl35
knickgirl35

the guys around Melo are not special so alot of you guys sayin every team that aint in the playoffs are not playin hard enough? every team that wins it all or that goes to the finals has certain things goin for them. 

good/great coaching

good/great pg

we don't have none of that.

prigi is a "good" pg but he does not get enough time at the right times.

rico
rico

Woody might not be a great coach but he hasn't quit.

Our players have quit on not only

Woody and the coaches,

the FO,

Phil, (you'd think they'd play for him)

Dolan (signer of checks)

themselves, ( losers)

but worst of all....they quit on US!

They are being handed a playoff spot and refusing it

but they are "all-quit no onions"

This squad has has flipped the bird to us fans.

mel brown
mel brown

PF's under 24 and under and making less than 3 million a year;

Ken Faried, Terrence Jones, Tobias Harris.  Better than Markief Morris.

mel brown
mel brown

For the Melo lover's and haters. Melo's stats this season as compared to 37 other SF's. 


2nd in scoring

1st in rebounding

11 in FG %

1st in minutes played

4th in 3p FG %

3rd in FT %

9th in Assists (imagine if the bums he plays with hit shots..)

14th in steals

7th in blocks


Ranked in the top ten in 7 out of 10 categories.   I will await the hate so I can post some more undeniable stats.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Jaime  agree with you man except woody is a below average coach who should not be coaching in the NBA at all.

Chris
Chris

@dagawd  This is the first year since he has been playing organized ball he has been on a losing team. Try again your so far off base you probably don`t even earn this response

Chris
Chris

@rico  You should try listening to the postgames. Melo, ~We were not prepared for this game~, translation their was no coaching prep for the game, Dragic ~ they went under every pick the whole game`, translation, there were no adjustments made by the coaching staff. Both of those statements are direct accusations on the coach

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@rico  he did quit a long time ago. he quit on the guys he was paid to develop. he quit because of his ties to CAA and went with "his guys" you guys are easily fooled by Woody's "ah shucks" way he acts. he is a calculated brother with his own agenda and allegiance. 

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@rico  the players know Woody is gonna do the same predictable things as always in the playoffs. imagine yourself in that spot. every team in the league knows your dam game plan. they feel like it's hopeless and Woody don't even know how to inspire them. he is to blame.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@rico  

"Please let this season be over..."


It's not just us fans saying this - this is what the players are saying with their lackluster focus and intensity.  They look like they are just waiting for this year to end.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@mel brown  

Everyone knows Melo is a great basketball player who puts up great individual numbers.  The elephant in the room is whether he will be worth a max extension of $120M over 5 years, and if so, how a contending team can be constructed around him.  

I can respect and enjoy watching brilliant individual performance, but first and foremost, I want to see the Knicks TEAM win games.  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown Dude get lost with the stats.  It's about getting your team to win!  That's the only stats I really care about.  Melo can score 60 per night and if we can't win anything or not make the playoffs, then that's a problem.

You should get paid max money to lead the team not just stats other than winning!

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Sandro Guedes @Georgi  competent coaching and good pg would make us contenders.

1harris1
1harris1

I don't know though that he "quit". The guy is just unbelievably stubborn, and too often fails to make adjustments dictated by in game circumstances. The CAA alliance was nothing more than a means to appease Dolan at a time when he was looking to be named head coach on a permanent basis.

Woodson's done a poor job this year, but some of the things the players do transcend coaching. 51 points in a quarter to the Lakers? Not showing up after such a performance against Phoenix? Even if they have no faith in the coach, the responsibility for that kind of "effort" ultimately comes back to the players. Have some pride already.

rico
rico

You get into the playoffs and you never know.

You can't blame it all on Woody. Winners play at one speed, FULL. there is no quit, no excuses. Thats the job man!

This is on the players 99% quitters.

mel brown
mel brown

@BigChiefTriangle That is a legitimate concern.  The question I have is if Melo takes less than the max will that make a difference in the "concerns" that people have regarding the teams cap?


I will say again that those three expiring contracts will be huge benefits...

Chris
Chris

@xmenreturn  Teams win, he tries to play team, hard when your offense has no movement, defense again is a team game, this team has been taught none, listen to Chandler he is sick and tired of DAW as are the rest of them. You are much smarter then that statement

mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn that judgement should be withheld until Melo gets help on par like Lebron, and KDurant has....


I was waiting for that.  Now I will post his numbers when he's played with top tier talent on the Olympics and All-star games.

Chris
Chris

@Biggie  No he is not correcting them when they do. It is easy to go under, you have to really work to get over, and practice to go through. This team can`t get over because they don`t know how to ride the dribbler to a spot and there is no evidence of coaching that they practice going through

1harris1
1harris1

I hear you. I'm not defending Woodson. I juat think the players shouldn't need the coach to motivate themselves at this time of year, given the team's situation. Sometimes you wonder if the players even want to make the playoffs. And even if they don't believe in the coach as far as his acume goes, we have enough players on this team who view themselves as stars. It would be nice if they all acted like one for a change.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@1harris1  if you were a coach and you saw your team getting depressed and down what would you do man? would you get out the clipboard and write up a play or would you give a pep talk to inspire them? which one does woody do? he don't know how to talk to his guys. he's gettin paid a whole lot of money to do more than just right up plays. you gotta admit this team is on their own right now.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Biggie  simpletons who never played the game and who don't know one thing about bball think woody is not to blame.

1harris1
1harris1

I agree. First year, Stat and Billups were hurt. Second year, Chandler got sick and Shump got hurt. Third year, Chandler was hurt and got eaten up by Hibbert, and JR was also playing with a knee injury which later required surgery. You can't pin those playoff losses primarily on Melo.

And by the way, it was D'Antoni who was the idiot who ran that play for Jeffries. LOL

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturnDude, Melo has never been a smart player who makes good decisions!  Wherever Melo has played, he would get the ball, hold it and go isos in key moments.  He either made the shot or he missed.  That's it!

Melo still tries to bring the ball up like a PG wasting energy when even Clyde questions why he does that!

Some guys are talented but they  are not students of the game like a MJ, Bird, Magic and etc.  

Melo has done for our Knicks?  Let's see

1st year -  1st round of playoffs losing to the Celtics while passing the ball to Jared Jeffries in the key moment of the game

2nd Year  - 1st Round playoffs losing to Heat

3nd Year - 2nd round playoffs losing Indy after being 2nd in East in RS

4th Year - might miss playoff in pathetic East

Yep, Melo has done sooooooo much! 

We have  a superstar that has gotten us to the 2nd round of the playoffs once. 1st round twice and maybe no playoffs appearance once.

When is the banner hanging for Melo?


knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@mel brown @xmenreturn  you right man. good coaches know how to rest their stars. woody rides people like horses. the players are human not animals.

mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn @mel brown Dude, I watch every game.  Melo's low fg % and lack of production in the closing minutes is directly linked to Woodson playing him 40 minutes per game.


He's worn out when the fourth quarter rolls around.


You can never dispute what Melo has done for the knicks since his arrival.....stop that non-sense.




xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturn Dude, do you watch the games!  When the game is in the clutch, Melo becomes a total perimeter player like T-MAC used to be. 

Stop looking at overall stats.   Over the course of a game or season, stats will accumulate.  But what a person does in key moments of a game makes a world of difference.

For instance, If I make 5 assists early on and then in the 2nd half, I make 0, then the game stats will say I made 5 assists as a PF.  But when the game was on the line, I went isos from the perimeter and helped the ball while everyone watched.

Most bad teams have some guys with good stats.



mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn @mel brown He does much more than score...hence that's y I posted the stats. 


We can't be ignorant of the facts.  The more critical element to the knicks obtaining more bonafide players will be the expiring contracts of Tyson, Bargs, and Stat.  Not Melo's contract.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturn Good because that's the perfect place for Melo. They already have a leader in their coach, Noah and Rose. 

Melo could go there and be a nice role player for them that can score. 

We need our max player to be more than a scorer who doesn't care to lead or help hold others accountable in the locker room.

For me, I'm not here to hate Melo and if he can win somewhere else that already has a core together, so be it.  

But for us, we will not win with Melo who takes up too much of the salary cap and don't want to do anything but score from the perimeter.

mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn @mel brown I tell you what...if the Bulls get Melo he will win a chip.....why bc he puts up the numbers they are in need of.


It's about production.  You mix great production with great role players you enhance your capability to win.   Easy concept.


We all want to win.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown Dude I want to win!  Get me some smart players and some leaders!   We need mroe than scoring. The Bulls need a Melo. We need much more!

mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn @mel brown@BigChiefTriangle ok...so he's not a leader from what you see.  He's a top two scorer and that is something this organization will always need..


Again the stats say he's more than a scorer.


If Melo takes 14 mil per for 3 years will you be happy??  Will it make a difference?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @BigChiefTriangle That there issue!  If Melo takes max or near it, it makes it hard to Phil to get him help.  So if Melo was really interested in winning at this stage of his career after making so much money, he would go to Phil and state that he will willing to take much less so that Phil can go out and get him the help he desires.  

Then again, if he could do that, he would be in the locker room telling players that they better play hard or else they will feel his wrath.

Melo is a scorer and all that leadership stuff is not for him. 

Chris
Chris

@xmenreturn @Georgi  Analyze what you just said, they should be playing for themselves, that is exactly what many are doing, playing for themselves instead of the team, and this is why Melo looks so frustrated out on the court, he knows exactly what is going on

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Georgi @xmenreturn Woody sucks and Ray is not our leader!  If your coach sucks that the superstars or veteran players have to become leaders period!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Georgi Woody sucks! But stop making excuses for players that refuse to play hard each game. They don't need to play for Woody, they should be playing for themselves, each other and auditioning for Phil.  

We are losing to really bad teams and there is no excuse for that! 


mel brown
mel brown

@Georgi Woody is on crack!  I can't speak anything good about Woody this year. 



knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@xmenreturn @mel brown  we gotta have some creativity out there like kidd does man. woody does the same shizz over and over. the other coaches probably laugh at him. these teams love playing the knicks these days. woody is the league joke. you saw what dragic said man. he is a total embarrassment.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturnDude We know Woody sucks but that's no exuse for losing to bad teams in the East or not making the playoffs.

We supposedly have a superstar but that superstar can't lead or inspire other on the team to play hard or be accountable to each other.

This is Kidd's 1st year coaching and the Nets are in the playoffs. 

I'm not asking Melo to get us a ring or beat Indy or the Heat!  We can't beat the really bad teams when we really need it. 

mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn Ahhh....u can't answer the question bc you would contradict yourself.


Let's be clear...this team sucks bc the offensive and defensive philosophy or lack thereof SUCKS..


That philosophy is employed by the coach.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturnI blaming him, STATues and Chandler for not being leaders and holding each other accountable.  

Stop looking at stats, look at leadership. That is what is missing from this team period.  

Dude, stop with the # of games we would have won without Melo crap. We are out of the playoffs now with a pathetic East that has only 4 teams or so above .500. 

We suck with Melo so who cares if we might suck a little more without Melo?


mel brown
mel brown

@xmenreturn so, in essence you are blaming Melo for this years disaster of a season??


Come on dude...the numbers speak otherwise. 


The first line of responsibility falls on Woodson...period.


Question....how many games would this team have won if Melo didn't play this year??

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@xmenreturn @mel brown  

I agree with Mel that TEAM always matters, but bringing Lebron into this discussion is NOT a good idea, lol...he is a freak of nature.  I don't think any other player could have accomplished what he did with that rag-tag bunch in Cleveland.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@mel brown @xmenreturnCome on man!  Melo cant lead us to the playoffs this year int he pathetic East.  Who does Melo needs to get past the Hawks, Bobcats and maybe Cavs? 

Melo has been int he league for 10 years and some of you act like he never played with talent.

We don't expect Melo to win a ring with the correct cast but he surely has enough to make the playoffs and yet we are getting blown out by the Lakers and Suns.  The Lakers got blown out by the Wolves today.

LBJ didn't need a great cast to get to the NBA Finals.