Ask TKB: Is it wrong to root for the Knicks to lose?

Name: James
Question: Is it wrong, as a Knicks fan, to be rooting for the Knicks to lose, even though they do not have a pick in the upcoming draft? I just hate how the team is run and I’m hoping with failure the front office will change how the team is run.

Sam Spiegelman

James, that’s a great question, and I really think it’s fair because it goes beyond just the Knicks or basketball and into the whole philosophy of being a sports fan.

I don’t think it’s wrong to root for the Knicks to lose. I also don’t think it’s wrong to root for the Knicks to win. You can root any way you’d like, because they’re your team, and nobody can tell you that you’re wrong.

Here’s the argument: rooting for the Knicks to lose — in theory — should come as a wake-up call to the organization. Obviously, James Dolan isn’t calling you up asking you which players he should go after in free agency. But as a fan, you’re hoping losing infuriates the front office and management, and that with so many people down about how this season has gone, the offseason will bring a major overhaul and a change for the better. You have Carmelo Anthony averaging 40-somewhat points per night, a perennial All-Star in Tyson Chandler and a promising rookie in Tim Hardaway Jr., yet this team can’t even beat the Charlotte Bobcats to be the No. 8 seed.

Oh, and the team is just a year removed from being the No. 2 seed. Talk about regression.

In the NBA Draft it’s rarely a lock that having a draft pick pans out as you might expect. Just thing about the number of busts atop the draft, and then factor in how many college players really have as great of careers and you thought when they were crushing it at Kentucky or Syracuse.

Rooting for the team to lose is fine. You’re rooting that somebody in the front office wakes up one morning and says it’s not OK that a team in New York is this terrible; change is needed! The organization has been marred by poor decision-making for way too long now and this offseason is too important for that trend to continue. Root for them to lose, then do some right things to fix it.




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Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Back in the 1980's, they filmed all the WWF wrestling shows at the Civic Center in Poughkeepsie, NY. One night my favorite wrestler, Rowdy Roddy Piper, was doing his Piper's Pit show. A fan ran up on stage and doused him with a full beer. Now everyone is just waiting to see how this plays out and what happened should be a lesson for Knick fans.

Rowdy Roddy Piper looked at the man and said, "You know what, I don't care. You know why I don't care? Because I'm rich and you're not."

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Dolan is going to look at the protest from the window of a very nearby tall building, smile, and say, "Who runs NY again? I do. Muahahaha." I feel like he would get a sick joy from watching all the protesters. 


With that said, all you damn bloggers that like to get on other bloggers about supporting this team, etc. better be at the damn rally otherwise I don't want to hear sh!t from any of you. Of course I'm speaking of the ones living in NY.

buddhabing
buddhabing

What are Mills credentials as far as basketball acumen? On more than one occasion i've heard basketball writers being interviewed on WFAN sports radio say the guy is a highly thought of exec in league circles. What are they basing it on? Am I missing something?

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

you know what,  a rally won't resonate brass, what you gotta do is make it seen on national TV 

so every fan in attendance should have these signs ( Fire Dolan, Fire Woodson, Knicks Suck, CAA is watching, Melo we feel your pain, Build Around Melo ) ETC

CHAOS B4 ORDER !

chudogz1
chudogz1

U guys need to make a post about the March 19th KF4L rally in front if the garden before the Pacers game, and fire up the troops...... Stop trying to sugar coat the fact that we suck...... And for the record, if u have scouts that know how to do there job, the draft is NOT luck in any way, it's a scouts job to identify talent, and bring his ideas to the GM... It's the GMs job to take all the info given to him, EVALUATE it, and make an educated decision...... Hire one of the Spurs or OKC's assistant scouts, I'm sure they are looking for a head scouting position....

ds2488
ds2488

I never think rooting for losses is a thing that fans should do.  I understand it in certain contexts, like if you could have promised me 30 games ago that a loss would force Dolan to fire this incompetent buffoon who is currently our "coach", I would have rooted for a loss because I think we'd be better off in the long-run because of it.


But nobody could make that promise.  And now it strikes me as pointless anyway.  We are basically playing out the string with little hope of making the playoffs, and if by some miracle we do, we will most likely get swept by Miami or Indiana.  It's a sad situation where losing/winning doesn't matter because we don't have that draft pick.


tw22
tw22

If the front office doesn't realize that this team is bad, then we have bigger problems than our 15 man roster and coaching staff. There is nothing to lose for. No lottery pick at the end of the tunnel. Forget it. Unless you think the team can sneak up the draft list to get themselves a player that squeaks out of the first round into the top half of the 2nd round, there is no reason to root for this team to lose. You can expect to lose, you can be angry when the team loses but to "root" when there is no positive end result to it is inane.

Making changes going forward depends on the other side of the equation, which teams are willing to take on a salary for a full year with the promise of an expiring contract. If you resign Carmelo the team needs to front load him in the first year so his contract won't be an albatross in 2015 and beyond. If we can get a player like Eric Gordon and drop a salary like Stat, then let's do it. Part of Gordon's issue, outside of injury, is his unwillingness to play in New Orleans, remember he signed a tender to go elsewhere after being traded. Sure he might be a head case, but in a spotlight situation he will be fine. If we can jettison Felton, and move Shump in the offseason then get it done. If not you wait out the year, and by the end of the 2014-15 season you trade (by the deadline)/drop three contracts   (Felton, Stat and Bargnani—maybe four if Chandler doesn't want to resign at a sensible rate) get yourself a lottery pick, and sign the biggest need whether it is Rondo or Love ( I assume with the development of THJ that our biggest needs will still be at the point and up front).

Sure the idea of a Rondo THJ, Carmelo, Love, Chandler starting five is an absolute dream, but you have to reach for the stars in this league.

Meanwhile can we get Murray and Tyler some real run to see if they are worth holding on to next season?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

There is only one real hope for change and his name is Prokorov. Dolan is in competition with the rich Russian. If Prokhorov gets the Nets to a position of dominence in NYC, Dolan will have to alter his course.

Since talking over, Dolan has had a virtual monopoly on the NYC hoops scene. The Nets were a Jersey team. Now he has competition.

brookdon
brookdon

So it's become institutionalized. Let's clap when Shump misses layups or when Carmelo misses shots and hope other teams make their shots while we make mistakes.

If it's gotten to this point, why even watch games?

Knicks lost all last decade. Did that wake the organization up?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@buddhabing  

I do believe he played at Roosevelt HS, smae school as Dr. J. Then he went to Princeton under Pete Carrill.

Sandro
Sandro

@buddhabing

He's well connected around the league, meaning he knows a lot of people...and that's it.

The highlight of his career was bringing Isiah to NY.

That speaks for itself.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@KnickelusKnickleby See that's why I wanted to know what the cause was because if's build around Melo, there's a problem. We don't have enough brick and mortar to build around this guy.  

Firing Dolan ain't gonna happen either. 

I would go with FIRE MILLS, FIRE WOODY, HIRE PHIL as GM or someone better!  Then let that GM decide on Melo. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@chudogz It would be nice to know what is the common goal of the march other than we're tired of losing.

tw22
tw22

@Knicks_Fanatic The Nets are will be bottom feeders come the 2015 with no picks and no roster to speak of. They are a non-issue.

rico
rico

@rgm891  maybe, remember in 2006 there was the "FIRE DOLAN" SELL THE KNICKS website and events like this?



Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon  

No Dolan is still asleep at the wheel. The organization was forced by Stern to hire a real GM and and now we are back to where we started.

buddhabing
buddhabing

Where did he come from? Where has he worked before? Maybe he has done somethin in the league. I've just never heard of it.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ xmenreturn I'm tired of upper management type March, I suppose

chudogz1
chudogz1

@ firebaldy. Thanks, if only I can get the memo to Guitar Shimmy

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@rico @rgm891  when you are serious about change you don't just give up because it's been done before. you gotta keep at it and not go out like a sucker.

rgm891
rgm891

@rico @rgm891  Hahhaa yeah man I do.  Did anything even happen a result? Do u remember?  Probably nothing.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy Dolan is going to send out JR to tell you folks that the team plans to play harder next season.  Yep that's should do it.

brookdon
brookdon

lol people complained about Walsh just as much as Grunwald. We had one winning season under him.

Sandro
Sandro

@buddhabing

Had he done anything good in the league, you would've heard about it.

Was a ball player in Ecuador. Then worked for the NBA as an executive and later joined MSG, as an executive as well. Been with the Knicks since 2003.

In 11 years, all he gave us was Isiah.

Need more?

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy Dude, I was just trying to understand what you think needs to be changed.  We all have different opinions. 

A march is good especially when you all have a realistic common goal that hopefully would help. 

But I see you're keeping that a secret.So if by some reason Dolan comes out and ask u want ya want, don't tell him either.  

No Snitching ok. lol

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@xmenreturn  kiss it again because you seemed to like it the first time. you so interested in me go back and read my previous posts. you'll see where my head is at. i don't have to write my list for you so you can copy it and paste it somewhere. the laugh's on you.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy You're a brave man of action and no plan!  In school, we use to call you stupid and get you to do anything for fun.  lol

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy I'm asking you playa!  Maybe you better stand in the back and just add some illusions of depth. 

You're mad as hell and you are not going to take it anymore. Just not sure what it is and what ya want!  

Oh Well, go get ya scream and shout on!  

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy LOL I'm just asking what are your dermands?   

Ya marching just to be marching?

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@xmenreturn @firebaldy  you can kiss my azz bro. i'm tired of being a sucker like some of you guys just sittin around with beer guts complaining and not putting your azzes out there!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@firebaldy @VerySilentJay  No sarcasm here (it's easy to misinterpret).

I'd love to believe a protest could really change things. I really do.

But Dolan responds to money.

If the past 14 years have proven anything, it's that very same fact.

He's had a disgruntled fanbase for too long, yet he's done nothing.

What will change now?


It's up to you to question other's passion for the colors. It's your pov, and personally, I don't see the point in convincing you otherwise.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@firebaldy Yep take all that passion to the Garden and demand..........................?

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@firebaldy @VerySilentJay You left yout caps there fellah.

Actually, work has kept me away from my city for a long time so I can't actually make it.

Please, I do hope you go.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

brookdon
brookdon

To be fair, Mills hasn't done anything "stupid" yet.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@rico I might not side with him but i would surely work for him. He pays well! It's kinda up to me to be good at my job

rico
rico

@Knicks_Fanatic @brookdon  WHO on earth is siding with DOLAN?  I have never met anyone who sides with Dolan. 


That's crazy-talk.  

brookdon
brookdon

I agree. And Knicks fans hated him.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@brookdon  

Now we had the first winning season in 10 years. That last winning season was under JVG. Then we followed it up with 2 more winning seasons.

My theory is that Knick fans are under some type of Stockholm Syndrome and side with Dolan. It's like Patty Hearst brandishing an assault rifle with the SLA. They attack the very people that rescued us from the darkness of Dolan.