The trade possibilities involving Amar’e Stoudemire

Harris Decker

The TKB Mailbag opened less than 15 hours ago and in that time, we’ve gotten 11 questions about trading Amar’e Stoudemire, now that he’s playing well. Of course, the Knicks would love to get out from under his contract, but trading him is a tall task. Using ESPN’s trade calculator, we’ve put together some potential trades for Stoudemire and ranked their likelihood.

We’ll start with the trade everyone wants…

Amare Stoudemire, Tyrus ThomasAmar’e Stoudemire (NYK), Tim Hardaway Jr. (NYK) and Iman Shumpert (NYK) for Rajon Rondo (BOS) and Kris Humphries (BOS)

This is the trade that people wants… except every person in Boston. Sure, it works out financially, but why in heaven would the Celtics want Amar’e Stoudemire? The answer is that they wouldn’t. The only chance would be if they were so desperate to get out from either Kris Humphries or Gerald Wallaces contracts. Wallace has a contract that is bad, but it’s no where near as bad as Stoudemire’s. All in all, this is a fantasy and one that would never happen. If the Knicks had 1st round draft picks left, you could make the case that this type of trade makes sense for the Celtics but a 2018 1st rounder does little for a team that is ready to rebuild right now.

Amar’e Stoudemire (NYK), Raymond Felton (NYK) and Iman Shumpert (NYK) for Ty Lawson (DEN), Danilo Gallinari (DEN) and Darrell Arthur (DEN)

Trying to make these trades workout financially is very tricky. In this case, the teams would swap point guards and the Knicks would essentially take back Gallinari in order to make Stoudemire’s contract work out. What you’d have to hope for, in this case, is that the Denver Nuggets feel Iman Shumpert is worth taking a downgrade at point guard. If Stoudemire is playing well, he could be a great piece off the bench in Denver, but once again, this trade would have to ship Shumpert out.

Amar’e Stoudemire (NYK) and Iman Shumpert (NYK) for Nene Hillario (WAS), Trevor Booker (WAS) and Jan Vesely (WAS)

If the Washington Wizards were interested in dumping three contracts that are a little hefty, they could easily do so in exchange for Stoudemire. A deal sweetened by Iman Shumpert, this trade would undoubtedly help the Knicks but with Bradley Beal in place, Shumpert isn’t a guy they need right now.

Amare Stoudemire (NYK) and Iman Shumpert (NYK) for Danny Granger (IND), Luis Scola (IND) and Lance Stephenson (IND)

This is actually a trade that sort of intrigues me. If there was a way for the Knicks to get Granger I think it would be worth exploring. He will be a free agent after this season and will have to take a huge pay cut after playing just 5 games last year and with no return in site. That said, this trade doesn’t actually make sense for either team. If the Knicks wanted to go after Granger they could do it in the offseason and the Pacers wouldn’t be interested in adding an even worse contract, even if they were acquiring Shumpert in the deal.


What trade would you like to see the Knicks pull off involving Stoudemire? Tell us below.

170 comments
Ced Pettway
Ced Pettway

This will be the best trade ever for NYK, keep all the players but Chris smith & K-mart sign Tyler and another strong bench player but 1st fire M.Woodson & go offer Phil Jackson a deal he can't refuse. And will become a 500 and better team and a threat in the East

Brad Jerris
Brad Jerris

WOW- lots of pipe dream trades. Nobody is going to do any of those above trades for Amare- teams try to get better when they do trades, not worse and all those trades make the other teams worse. The main player we have to trade is Melo. This team stinks, time to blow it up, Melo is not staying here- rumors out there he wants Lakers next season, so that will probably screw the knicks in trying to trade him. Two teams that intrigue me of trading Melo are the Houston Rockets- creating their big three of Melo, Harden, Howard and the other team in the Washington Wizards- where he grew up and pairing with John Wall.

Rockets- Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik for Melo. If he is willing to sign an extension as part of the trade, Knicks also get Chandler Parsons. We need a PG and C that can stay healthy. Both Lin and Asik have 2 years and 8mil/ yr . Really want Parsons, but they wont give him up just for a playoff run, so melo would have to resign as part of the trade

Knicks- Lin or Felton, Hardaway, Shumpert (Parson of course here if in trade), Bargnani or Amare, Chandler or Asik - significantly deeper team

Rockets- Beverly, Harden, Melo, Terrence Jones, Howard- Some power team now!

Wizards have a lot of interesting pieces- some vets with expiring contracts- Ariza and Gortat, and young players Beal and Otto Porter, and Nene 3years left. I would be open to trading Melo for a combination of those guys or blowing everything up and trading Melo and Chandler for all those players. But once again, Wizards wont be giving up their young players without Melo resigning as part of the trade. So once again, this is all but a dream; but maybe they would trade Ariza, Gortat, Porter for Melo, Shumpert, Aldrich

Knicks- Felton, Hardaway, Ariza or Porter, Bargnani or Amare, Gortat or Chandler- more well rounded team, more competent players

Wizards- Wall, Beal, Melo, Nene, Seraphin- Much improved- weak spot is center

grandpa54
grandpa54

I would like to trade Amare , JR smith Felton 2018 draft to Denver for galiari,Lawson .would trade thjr or shump this is our future.

Conflictedblkgenius
Conflictedblkgenius

Blow it Up! (Having fun, but this is trade could be viable based on rumors)

Melo to LAC for Griffin '15 2nd Rounder

Chandler to LAL for Pau

Amar'e, Shump, MWP, 2018 1st to BOS for Rondo, Brooks

Starting 5:


Rondo

Smith

Brooks

Griffin

Gasol


Test out for a little over 1 season, if Rondo/Griffin pairing don't work we can trade them both at Feb 2015 deadline. Rondo to Cleveland for Kyrie (S&T), Griffin to MINN for Love (S&T)..


Sign serviceable C. Use JR's expiring to trade for defensive two-guard (M. Thornton?)

joeknix
joeknix

I really wish any trade scenarios wouldn't include our 2018 first round pick . . . we basically gave away all trade flexibility with our deals for Melo and Bargs and the Knicks were under the impression they were trying to improve from a 54 win season not be 10 games under .500 before they knew what hit them.  We were built to do what we can for the next 2 seasons with the core we have until most of the Knicks come off the books following 2014/15.   If Melo can't hang tight for one more year then trade him now while he's here but have that $hit or get off the pot talk with him now, PLEASE!


BTW, GM's aren't that impressed with a draft pick in 5 years since many of them know that's too far out to project as valuable or not since their administration might not even be there that far out.  Nobody wants Amare even with his wonderful 4 game stretch at 23M this year and next. . . . and despite what everyone might think Shump is not good enough for teams to eat a max player who has had 3 surgeries over the last 10 months AND get a game changer back for Shump, THjr, AND a draft pick in 2122 or whatever!  We are overvaluing him AND THjr.  Yes, THjr has been good but he's not going to net much more than a veteran rental right now and I've seen that horror story play out WAAAAAAAAY too often.  It's best just to bite the bullet and let contracts come off the books.  If you can use older players like Chandler, Felton, Bargs, MWP, JR to get young guys then go for it but enough with the rentals for our few remaining assets.  It doesn't work!

kneggyknik
kneggyknik

This site has turned into fantasy land.   I remember doing this in the isiah years.  Pretty sad stuff.

Brian Sullivan
Brian Sullivan

Knicks: Felton, Chandler, MWP 


For


Suns:  Dragic, Miles plumlee, okafor (expiring contract) + 2 1st round picks '14 or 1st round pick '16



According to the trade machine, knicks only upgrade by 3 wins, but they are getting 14 mill off the books at the end of this year, and they also would be getting younger with the draft picks




sir_manolo
sir_manolo

I realllllly can't see any of these teams being dumb enough to agree to any of these trades...

to add to these ridiculous trades, why not throw out Amare, Shump, JR and Chris Smith to the Lakers for Pau Gasol, Chris Kaman, and Xavier Henry...

_'Antoni reunited with Amare, get pg help with Shump and Chris Smith while Steve Blake and Steve Nash are out. And you swap one chucker in Jr Smith for another chucker in Henry.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Knicks Get: Gasol, Blake, Hill

Lakers Get:P Shump, Felton, Chandler,  JR


Saddle LA with Money eliminating them from Melo AND free up some money for us earlier

po_diddley
po_diddley

How about this trade?


Knicks give up: Very low value, under performing, or bloated contract players

Knicks get: Valuable draft picks and better players with expiring contracts


I think it will work out. 

tommy2b
tommy2b

With Bargs playing pretty well what do people think of the deal to get him in the summer in retrospect?  He's held the fort fairly well in Chandler's absence.  Was the deal Good or Bad for the knicks?

richfromny
richfromny

I'm surprised no one is talking about the Denver trade. I would do it no doubt even if that means sacrificing cap room

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

Chandler to Suns for Okafor, Suns highest 1rd pick in 14 and 1st rd pick in 16

knicks cut Okafor and C.Smith, Sign Jeremy Tyler and Jarvis Varnado

Suns then cut Kravstov and can add a player via free agency

grand_puba
grand_puba

Why are people so easy to give up Chandler...I know we need PG help, but does replacing Tyson with someone, let's say Gasol, really make this team any better? I would rather work around moving other pieces. Also someone here mentioned we may have a trade exemption from a previous deal, any truth to that?

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

Who says no???


Lakers get Chandler, Felton and Beno (to match salary)


Toronto gets Steve Blake (expiring contract instead of Felton longer contract) and Shump


Knicks get Gasol and Lowry

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Conflictedblkgenius "Sign serviceable C"

- Yes, sounds very easy. We've seen that it's not easy, or cheap to acquire one of these. Gasol is soft and aging

- Griffin is a younger Amare with a shaky jumpshot. A product of good PG play.

- Brooks isn't even wanted in Boston, who's rebiulding and basing their entire project on youth. The fact that they don't want Brooks should tell the league sometihng.


In your scenario we ship yet another first rounder and get back just a second one.

All this for a one year "project" when you're in a supposed "win now" mode?

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

@Brian Sullivan Suns don't do that, Dragic/Bledsoe have been great together, plus Plumlee has been big for them, and you want them to give up 2 first rd picks

Chandler for Okafor and 1 or 2 first rd picks is probably only thing they would do

saintknick
saintknick

@tommy2b Good because Bargnani has played well enough on enough occasions to merit a late 1st round draft choice in 2015. 


Bad because that could end up being a lottery pick, AND because a 1st would have been more valuably spent on a package for a real PG. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Francesco Monastra Good try...But, Chandler is not worth 2 first round pick. 


Okafor and the 2014 first round pick would be a great trade for the Knicks.

Jesus Blas
Jesus Blas

@grand_puba because Chandler has been in the league about 12/13 years now...a 7 footer who is always breaking down...has nothing left by the time the playoffs come around....has 2 years left on his deal at 14.5 mil a year....trade him now while he still has value. Cap space and picks for the future...this is NOT a "Win Now" team.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@grand_puba We have a trade exemption from the Brewer deal of $854 K.


I like Tyson also...but Gasol is an expiring contract, who can operate in the post, rebound, and defend.  maybe we can turn around and trade for someone with Gasol expiring contract at the trade deadline.


I can't really argue against keeping Chandler...he is one of my favorite Knick.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@grand_puba What's hilarious is those people are acting like the grand arbiter on what constitutes a fair trade. Laughable.

rgm891
rgm891

@Carl D Hill@Brian Sullivan I believe we have a shot at landing Blendsoe. He's 24 years old, rejected the suns contract extension. The Knicks should really look into him. Hes a RFA at the end of the year.

saintknick
saintknick

@Francesco Monastra right, and they'd have to be the protected picks. So probably in the high teens and low 20's. Good draft of course, but pretty average once you get to pick 16-17 anyway.

skot
skot

@zdiddy4nyk @Francesco Monastra I was reading the other day about how Houston is getting more than 2 first round picks for Asik from some 3 way trade. Is Asik better than Chandler?

Francesco Monastra
Francesco Monastra

@zdiddy4nyk @Francesco Monastra he worth the 2nd 1st rd pick if the 2016 pick is top 14 protected


saintknick
saintknick

@Jesus Blas @grand_puba Why is breaking your leg "breaking down". Knees, ankles, back, elbows, etc - sure - that is breaking down. Breaking a bone on a freak collision is just bad luck. He misses too much time, and I agree, was broken down in the playoffs last year because of a neck injury. But he could still help the team win more games and be relevant.


The balancing point here is that the team would benefit from a terrible year next season since they have a pick. 

grand_puba
grand_puba

@Jesus Blas @grand_puba Ok I can see where you're coming from with that. It is smart to get value on something before it loses it all. BUT do you think we can replace him. Even in the near future (next year)? Maybe I'm being a bit of a homer, but it seems people have a lot of respect for what he brings to a team. I'd be more incline to see what we can manage to do without giving up what arguable is a very valuable piece to us and probably would be to other teams.

grand_puba
grand_puba

@zdiddy4nyk @grand_puba Definitely see the positives in Pau's play, just would be so down on trading Tyson. I know you have to give to receive, but I hate to see him go for something like that. And thanks on the exemption info! So this means we could add a slightly higher paid player for someone on our team....or clear a roster spot of say C.Smith or Aldrich or Udrih and add on a someone making 854k

grand_puba
grand_puba

@thatsagoodpoint @grand_puba Haha yeah, I mean people have a hard time getting over subjectivity...I'm sure some GMs do as well! Still trades are a volatile transaction. Uprooting players from a team doesn't just happen like this is 2k14 and the team just all of a sudden shows up on the court the next game playing at their highest capabilities 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@ExpectTheWorst@zdiddy4nyk A healthy Felton is a better PG than Steve bake.

rgm891
rgm891

@Carl D Hill@rgm891@Brian Sullivan Yes I can't believe the knicks didn't t least attempt to get him this offseason. They went for bargs instead. I believe the knicks can get him for a reasonable price. Hopefully they give it a look

skot
skot

@Francesco Monastra @skot @zdiddy4nyk So, how is it that our players are always undervalued or close to nothing, even being a DPY the year before, but somebody like Asik who has a worse offensive game than Chandler and is rotting on their bench, gets such an evalutaion?

saintknick
saintknick

@zdiddy4nyk @Carl D Hill @Jesus Blas @grand_puba Saracasm?


I mean, if you are saying a team spending 100 million is a win now team, sure. But no team with their most expensive player being, AT BEST, a 22mpg guy with mediocre defense until he inevitably misses months and is useless in the playoffs is not a win now team.


Any other team in the league who doesn't have a bunch of youth and draft picks, and has 40% of their pre-luxury cap space in a broken down player, shouldn't be trying to win now - they should be trying to build for the future.

grand_puba
grand_puba

@zdiddy4nyk @grand_puba Interesting, thanks for that example. I wonder what other options like this we could have. I'm also maybe thinking on a smaller scale. Like trading a few of our smaller contracts for something a little bigger...just a thought. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@grand_puba@zdiddy4nyk The kniccks could get away with trading Chandler and Shump who combines to make $15 mill for say Gasol at $19 mill.  So, even though we are over the luxury tax threshold, we can still take back up to 125% plus $100 k of our out going salary.

grand_puba
grand_puba

@zdiddy4nyk @grand_puba Yeah you're right I believe too...So then it would seem we could add a decent bit more salary on in a trade if we add in the exemption as well right? I'm just brainstorming, not even sure if I have this right or not...

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@grand_puba@zdiddy4nyk I don't think we need an exemption to cut Chris Smith.  However, the exemption does allow us to take a little more salary back than what we are giving up. 


Plus the NBA trade rules allow an over the luxury tax threshold team (Knicks) to take back incoming aggregate salaries of up to 125% plus $100,000 of the outgoing salaries.

grand_puba
grand_puba

@Carl D Hill @grand_puba I really have to agree with you on all that. I don't see what we solve or gain by dealing Tyson or any of the other dudes you mentioned for that matter. 

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@Knicks_Fanatic@zdiddy4nyk@thatsagoodpoint I like Chandler too...I can't argue about keeping Chandler.  I more just going by the rumor.


Good point about Chandler!!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@zdiddy4nyk@thatsagoodpoint 

Why would we want Gasol. Chandler is the perfect center to play with Melo. He doesn't need the ball. When he gets it, it usually goes in the basket. We have enough shooters.

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@thatsagoodpoint@zdiddy4nyk I can tell you are hurt about that bad trade proposal.  Always look at the man in the mirror first, when you do some dumb stuff.


It is the man in the mirror fault...don't be mad at me, son!!

zdiddy4nyk
zdiddy4nyk

@thatsagoodpoint@ExpectTheWorst@zdiddy4nyk I think they want a pick or a young asset.  Shump is still on his rookie salary and Blake is an expiring deal like Lowry.  Blake would allow Vasquez to step in a point and be the back up, something Lowry may not be willing to do.