Tim Hardaway Jr. is the 2nd best rookie in the league

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Tim Hardaway Jr. has had a great rookie season.

Tim Hardaway Jr.

After being drafted No. 24 overall by the Knicks, Hardaway Jr. was a guy that went widely overlooked in the draft. Still, Knicks fans — including myself — were excited when he was drafted out of the University of Michigan. At first glance, it’s easy to call him a top five rookie this year. I’m here to tell you that he’s the second-best rookie in the NBA.

If you look at all rookies on a per game basis, Hardaway Jr. is ranked fourth in points per game with 9.3, ninth in minutes per game with 20.4 and third in field goal percentage, shooting at a 46 percent clip.

Obviously, Michael Carter-Williams is the best rookie and the likely rookie of the year in the NBA. He is averaging 17.2 ppg and making a huge contribution on a nightly basis.

The numbers get a little bit more interesting when you look at them per 48 minutes. Hardaway Jr. is playing about 14 minutes less per game than Carter-Williams, but what if the two were playing comparable minutes?

Hardaway Jr. is averaging 21.8 points per 48 minutes, while Carter-Williams is just a few points ahead of him with 23.7. Furthermore, Hardaway Jr.’s field goal percentage sits 6 percent higher than Carter-Williams, and he leads all rookies shooting 40 percent from behind the arc.

Another really interesting category to look at is turnovers. In his 20.4 minutes, Hardaway Jr. is third among rookies with just 0.56 turnovers per game. That number is way ahead of others like Carter-Williams and Magic guard Victor Oladipo.

Obviously, the ancillary stats hurt Hardaway Jr. He is in the bottom half when it comes to steals, a category that Carter-Williams dominates with 2.24 steals per game. He is also in the bottom half in rebounds and assists.

Still, Tim Hardaway Jr. has had a great rookie season for the New York Knicks. When it’s all over, we might look at him as one of the few bright spots in a dismal season.

Considering the Knicks got him at the end of the first round, he has to be one of the better values from this past years draft.




167 comments
Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Hardaway reminds me of a combination between Ray Allen and D Wade. That's a serious weapon!

newyorker9
newyorker9

hey man put up a post of james dolan meeting with mike woodson after losing on wednesday. i hope knicks lose tonight mike woodson will no longer be a knicks coach. seriously, fire him. melo is having a monster season, jr smith is back but I don't mind trading him  hardaway is a keeper do not trade him, amare is doing well, hope he doesn't get injured again. the guy is playing with confidence. prigs is a smart point guard and hustles he should get more minutes then felton, he's been awful, and play the young ones tyler, cole, moury. trade chandler, felton, shumpert, beno, andrea, smith for draft picks. that will help a whole lot the salery cap I hope melo gives knicks hometown discount if he wants to win a ring. and go for a  solid point guard not andre miller that's pathetic. we want rondo sign him in 2015 if knicks plan to wait till free agency. and kevin love  the most important thing get a real coach! JEFF VAN GUNDY! or THIBS! if Dolan makes the right moves we'll be good...i hope..

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

But recently, some players have grown a bit tired of Woodson pointing out the team's lack of effort after losses. They expressed their frustration privately in a group setting late last month, league sources told ESPNNewYork.com. And a few players communicated their frustration to Knicks management, league sources say. ESPN.com - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.DjkaJ4wn.dpuf


All our speculation was right on the money. The ssh¨t hit the fan long ago. Knicks' FO right now are up against it. 

If Woodson survives the deadline, we truly are fcked.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

The Knicks and the NBA draft. Over the last 10 seasons the New York Knicks have made 14 draft selections. There are others, I believe, where the picks where purchased after the players was drafted, so it's not complete. That would be Harrelson, Jordan, and Douglas, but that was just Dolan dollars. So 9 out of 14 is pretty good, especially when you consider that they come with inexpensive long term contracts.


Here are the players who have been rotation players- Ariza, Lee, Frye, Chandler, Gallo, Hill, Fields, Shumpert, Hardaway

Here are the misses- Thompson, Collins, Balkman, Rautins, Papanikolaou

wingo43
wingo43

Not fair to compare Hardaway with MCW on TOs.  MCW handles the ball so much more than Hardaway does.

buddhabing
buddhabing

Thing I like about Hardaway is he isn't a one trick pony. Kid can score various ways; outside shooting, mid range game and driving to hoop. Seen him do it all with unusual polish for a rookie.

ds2488
ds2488

Also nothing about this clown of a "coach" admitting this season has been a disaster from a coaching standpoint?  

ds2488
ds2488

Crazy when you think back to the struggles JR and Shump have had, that Timmy is only playing 20 minutes per game.  Just another example of the complete incompetence of this "coach".  Timmy's been our best shooting guard all year, and he plays 20 minutes per....SMH.



Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Tim Hardaway Jr is teaming with his dad and Elena Delle Donne in the Shooting Stars competition All Star Weekend

rgm891
rgm891

Who here believes Woodson will continue to play Prigioni more over felton tonight? Or was it to good to be true?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@VerySilentJay  

A loss to Denver tonight could be the final nail in the Woody's coffin. Dolan turned down the trade for Lowry because he didn't want to get fleeced again by Uriji. He might be real sensitive about this game.

manchu
manchu

@VerySilentJay

The problem is no big name coaches want the job right now. If Woodson goes we get Herb coaching until the end of the season

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

I think it's a little unfair to include 2nd rounders as "misses" equivalent to 1st rounders. You can't even expect them to make the team in most cases

andthenjohnsaid
andthenjohnsaid

@Knicks_Fanatic  



insert all star player/ hill

lee/frye

chandler/gallo

shumpert/hardaway

insert superstar/insert player


with a lionel hillins/ doug collins type coach is title contention, and i think afforable under the cap(maybe chandler or gallo would have to leave)

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic  Fields, Shumpert, and Hardaway all had better rookie years than expected.

We all know what happened to Fields and Shump, and time will tell with Hardaway.


- Ariza only blossomed after he left NY.

- It took Hill way too long to be a contributor

- Frye's a one dimensional stretch 4 that could only work in an uptempo 3 pt shooting system

- Gallo's a nice player, injury prone, but by no means is he worth the ridiculous amount of money he's getting

- Chandler's a nice overall player, low bball IQ, would make for a great role player off the bench. Decent contract, but hasn't played more than 80 games in 3 seasons combined.


Beyond that, it's speculative to say how the Knicks would be with or without them. That said, the one constant is that none of these players are true difference makers, and giving up two of these (Chandler, Gallo) meant getting a player that can carry this team (Melo). 

In that sense, drafting did help this team acquire a star.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@zdiddy4nyk Yep, I was forever posting then to give Master Lin a chance because he was our only PG that attacked the paint.  Pringles was looking to put in the ball boy before Lin.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@wingo43  MCW's a lock.

Timmy has quicly turned into an important piece within the "coach's" "system", and his overall play has made him a complete steal at 24.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@ds2488  he is a clown. he even looks like a clown. his stubbornness is only surpassed by his dumbness. there is no godly reason for him to still be in NY.

Sandro
Sandro

@rgm891  

This is Woodson's last game to play anyone. Let him play whoever he wants, just for the sake of stubbornness.

rgm891
rgm891

@Biggie Yeah haha I just realized that myself. Messed up.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic @VerySilentJay  There's a reason why that trade didn't happen. Ujiri was asking for too much for a player who's future is very much up in the air.

It appears Dolan finally learned a little something about not getting abused.

Brostoevsky
Brostoevsky

Agree with Jay. Change is needed. It's probably not going to turn the season around in terms of wins and losses, but maybe it arrests the negative culture of non-preparation, bad body language and limited effort. I'd also like to see the kids (TH, Shumpert, Tyler and Murry) develop. Let's find out what we have.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@manchu @VerySilentJay  It's clear that Herb will take over, no matter what.

Obviously he's no winning machine, but this team desperately needs winds of change.

I get the sense that the atmosphere is negative, that players aren't responding to Woodson, and that many just can't understand both his approach to the game and the way he's communicating.

ds2488
ds2488

@zdiddy4nyk @ds2488  lol, to be fair I was only calling him the worst player in the NBA at the time, which I still think was true.  His stats and contributions to the team were horrific. 


I never wrote him off for good though or anything like that.  I'm certainly very glad he's turned it around, still hope we can trade him though.

Sandro
Sandro

@rgm891 @Biggie 

LOL instead of getting rid of this crappy moderation system, they got rid of the edit mode.

TKB is truly a Knicks blog, always messing it up.

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Been a long time reader. Few years actually. So I'm pretty familiar lol

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@zdiddy4nyk @VerySilentJay @Knicks_Fanatic   Bag that, I say.

Just look at their present situation.

- Gallo's a nice player. No difference maker, not a big time impact guy, and is getting over 10+ mil a year. Bad deal there.

- Chandler's a nice defender who can attack the basket, but his low bball IQ has him hoisting moronic shots and turning over the ball consistently. He's getting paid over 5+ mil a year (with an increase per) and for the past 3 seasons has played less than a 100 games. We can agree it hasn't worked out thus far.

- Mozgov? Yeah....who is that?



- Melo's stat line is better than those two guys combined. So, can it really be a dicussion? Me says no.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk  What were the chances of knowing back then which players would come out of that trade?

- Do you think the Clips knew they were giving away K Irving when they traded B Davis to Cleveland?

- Do you think BK knew getting Wallace meant giving Portland D Lillard?


These moves are always uncertain. Looking back, everyone's an expert in hindsight.

Tikki
Tikki

@Knicks_Fanatic @Tikki @manchu @zdiddy4nyk @refguy22

Yes; Lee was 1 year removed from restricted free agency - so the ball was in the Knicks' court whether or not to match.  To me it just seems completely illogical to draft a Plan B for one position when you lack a Plan A at PG and C, and there's no glaring talent gap between the selections.

Tikki
Tikki

@Knicks_Fanatic @manchu @zdiddy4nyk @refguy22 @Tikki

It's one thing to take a flyer with the #18 pick, it's another to be in desperate need of a PG as a team utilizing a PG-reliant system, have a lottery pick in a PG-laden draft. . . and then draft a role-player PF.  (Don't get me wrong - I like Jordan Hill as an NBA rotation player.)


There's typically this debate regarding whether or not teams should draft for "need" or "talent" - Donnie/D'Antoni did neither with the Hill selection.

manchu
manchu

@Knicks_Fanatic @zdiddy4nyk @refguy22 @Tikki

And he drafted Iman Shumpert and Jordan Hill for us. Somehow he couldn't move up in the draft to get Curry and when he didn't get him he panicked and chose Hill with all of those point guards on the board. Indy owes him some thanks but I don't think the Knicks do

Tikki
Tikki

@Knicks_Fanatic @Tikki @zdiddy4nyk  

I know that, but like I said, no one bats 1.000 in the draft.  I Though Isiah's roster construction was misguided at best, the team had Marbury and Crawford on the roster already.  Obviously in hindsight, 17 other GMs might've made some other considerations as well.

Tikki
Tikki

@zdiddy4nyk @Knicks_Fanatic  

People give Isiah a lot of grief for the Balkman pick, but it's the draft - nobody can hit 1.000.  Isiah did well with the late 1st-rounders the Knicks had at their disposal.

Tikki
Tikki

@zdiddy4nyk @Tikki  

Who is arguing for Amar'e over Carmelo?  No one.  I also never said that Carmelo is incapable of winning a championship.  I only said that some critical commentary regarding Carmelo's defense from years' past had merit.  The film is there.

"Melo can play team defense when needed..."

Some of that footage was from the playoffs.

Tikki
Tikki

@zdiddy4nyk @Tikki  

No one ever said he couldn't play defense - the knock was that Carmelo was a poor team defender.  It's not just about defending SFs, it's about rotating hard to the right spots, communicating, fighting through picks, contesting shots. Some footage:


www you tube com /watch?v=HloT19M1-Io

www you tube com/watch?v=nOfxSCjM4ms

www you tube com/watch?v=XPq23qYb5YQ

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Was I the only one who say how crisp the ball was flowing and how absolutely brilliant JR was when melo was out of the game vs the blazers??

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Referring to melo on all star and Olympic teams ^

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

He excels cause he's on a team full of stars lol

Tikki
Tikki

@Josh Sustache  Honestly, I think this has to be one of Carmelo's best years in the league - he's shooting 45% from the field, 42% from deep (10th in the league, I think), and hitting the glass with 9 rebs/game.  And while the knocks on his defensive intensity have had merit in the past (the footage speaks for itself), he actually looks much more engaged defensively this season - an accomplishment in itself given the mess surrounding him.

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Like this is his 11th season. Why is he still trying to prove he's a superstar? Idk maybe I'm seeing differently.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@zdiddy4nyk @Josh Sustache  you are so right man. woody likes to slow the game down so he doesn't get confused. THE MAN IS SLOW so he has to slooooow down his players in order to give him a chance for his thoughts to catch up.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Josh Sustache  he would be a great "team player" if someone would actually give him a REAL TEAM. how can he be confident to pass the ball to guys who are some of the most INCONSISTENT in the league. it's easy to talk shizz but if you are surrounded by a bunch of marginal players at BEST and bums at worst and you are clearly your team's best chance to win, you are going to be a warrior and try to take over the game.

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

I just feel melo is a me player. (You can't spell melo without me). He's a great player no doubt about it just not a great team player. The problem is the team wants to run while melo dictates the speed cause he wants to slow down and go through himself leaving his teammates standing around aggravated. Not a lot of people in the league like melo including his own teammates. I love the dude I love he brought my home town a chip (Syracuse ny) I love that he's half Rican as am I. I just gotta keep it funky, he's the problem and I think truly believe once he goes if he goes this will be one of the most exiting teams in the league. Let the young guns run!! And a lot of u will call me crazy but I think melo is and has been holding jr back his whole career JRs ready to take the next step he just needs to get away from melo.

(Please don't delete this I'd like to have this debate)

Sandro
Sandro

@Josh Sustache  

LOL deleted already.

Told you so, there's no freedom of speech in here.

Sandro
Sandro

@Josh Sustache  

If you'll continue with the get rid of Melo posts, you won't stick around for much time.

They'll block you eventually,

Josh Sustache
Josh Sustache

Read. This is my first time commenting. I'll stick around