Tom Thibodeau mum on possibility of coaching the Knicks

Sam Spiegelman

Both the Chicago Bulls and New York Knicks were projected to be Eastern Conference contenders. Well, things haven’t gone exactly according to plan.

The teams are a combined 14-27 and both head coaches are rumored to be on the hot seat.

One interesting twist, though, is that Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Knicks coach Mike Woodson. Asked about the possibility of coaching in New York prior to the Bulls’ 83-78 loss, Thibodeau refused to comment.

“I have no comment on any of that stuff,” the coach told the Chicago Sun Times.

“I don’t pay any attention to any of that stuff. To me, the only thing I have to do is concentrate on our team, our next opponent, our improvement and never get away from that. There’s a lot of stuff that gets thrown out there that’s just B.S., so if you pay any attention, it does no good. It takes you away from what’s important, and what’s important right now is our improvement and getting ready for the next game.’’

Obviously Thibodeau was not going to express any interest in coaching another team in the middle of the season.

He, along with University of Kentucky coach John Calipari and ESPN NBA broadcaster Jeff Van Gundy, have been named as potential candidates for the coaching job should Woodson be removed from the position.

48 comments
Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

Who would ask Tom Thibodeau a question like this? Only a complete idiot.  First, he has a job. Second, coaches never comment on another man's job. Someone utterly wasted their breath, Tom's hearing and time....

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

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bigdishing
bigdishing

We have to believe that the worst is behind us and that Woodson will survive through the year. But getting to 500 does not mean I told you so with Woodson. It will be interesting to see what happens after the season. 

No playoffs, he's gone, no question. 

1st round exit, I hope so. 

2nd round, very tough call.

ECF we all shave our domes and get goatees. 

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

Tibbs is light years ahead of Woodson. I find it very strange that a coach like him is even considered to be a coach in hot water. He wins playoff series with half of his team and not one Star player. 

akamarb
akamarb

when all is said and done we will finish at 44-40 and #1 in atlantic..we will be a very dangerous team once tyson comes back and if bargniani and amare can keep playing good

akamarb
akamarb

Now why would Thibs even be a good candidate ? We have a roster mostly full of offensive players....Thibs is a defensive specialist...do we all of a sudden think that if he came here all of a sudden we would become a great defensive team ?? not even close


woody hasnt played with a full deck yet - he is staying till end of year - and thats the way it should be...woody deserves that - at the minimum...

bigdishing
bigdishing

Is there any indication at all that he'd quit the Bulls? They sure as hell ain't going to fire him. 

The L Train
The L Train

bulls would be foold for firing thibs.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

STAT IS BACK:


Knicks fans could taste yet another bitter defeat. But then something unexpected happened. Amar'e Stoudemire came to the rescue, showing flashes of his old self. He came up with a big steal. He drilled a 16-footer to give the Knicks a two-point lead with 2:34 left. He grabbed a key defensive rebound before turning in perhaps the biggest defensive play of the game by altering Marquis Teague's layup attempt into a miss with 1:45 left.

In just over a minute, Stoudemire made four critical plays that helped the Knicks pull out an 83-78 victory over the Bulls. He also helped harass the Bulls into another late turnover.  The forgotten Stoudemire reminded everyone he still has some mileage left in those creaky knees after all. And if he can provide this kind of lift off the bench and give Anthony some timely support, the Knicks' outlook for the season will improve considerably. 




"The odds are against this happening frequently. But Stoudemire wants you to doubt him. It gives him more motivation to return to his old form even if that may be against all odds. "

"He has worked tirelessly to prove to people and himself that he is not done, that he isn’t as close to retirement as you think."


“This is kind of a short-memory league,” Stoudemire said when asked if people had forgotten what he can do. “It is kind of out of sight, out of mind.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/51201/stat-showing-he-still-has-mileage-left


fasheezee
fasheezee

I want somebody with a high basketball IQ who is creative and has an open mind. A chip coach has to be somewhat of a psychologist as well -- a motivator. The Knicks haven't had a coach like that since Larry Brown. Mental midget Marbury said his defense was too hard. This team would love to have someone who really know his defensive shizz.

latichever
latichever

Making the case for Van Gundy. Track record of winning with Dolan. Possibly he could come in now so he could szie things up before next year.

I used to enjoy his sleepless hollow eyed look on the sidelines.

How come his brother Stan gets no nibbles?

But if Thibs comes, my dog will be a big fan. Coincidentally, his name is Thibodeau, rescue dog named after the Louisiana town he came from.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

Woodson is going to be replaced eventually, regardless if it's in season or at the end of it. Might as well look into candidates soon.

knickfan2
knickfan2

This would be a huge mistake. If most Knick fans get upset seeing Melo average over 40 minutes a game under Woodson, then there's no telling how much Thibs would disregard the allocation of minutes.

D.Rose's knees are shot because of Thibs. Noah and Deng are feeling the effects of Thibs running them into the ground. A good coach should be a specialist in three areas:

1. Disciplinarian

2. Tactician (X's & O's)

3. Minutes distribution

Coaches like Popavich & Vogel have made an art out of this...

Thibs has the first 2...but he's horrible at the 3rd.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

Thibs is a great coach. No BS with him: you don't put in the work, you don't play.

He lights some fire under player's sses.

Sets up nice plays off timeouts.


That said, I don't know if he'd enjoy being part of Dolelandia

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Not sure Thibs and Dolan are a match.

http://deadspin.com/how-frank-isola-became-the-most-hated-man-at-madison-sq-478620919


Isola said he had a good relationship with Barry Watkins, the team's former head of public relations, but it has been a different story with Jonathan Supranowitz, who assumed the post in 2006. "I haven't spoken to the guy in four years," Isola said. "First of all, because he's evil. And he's a bad guy. Supranowitz. He's the worst."

He blames Supranowitz for the ouster of former Knicks assistant coach Tom Thibodeau, who is now the head coach of the Chicago Bulls.

"I've known Tom Thibodeau for 15, 16 years," Isola said. "He has never once given me a story. We were just very friendly. Whenever I used to get a story, he used to accuse Tom Thibodeau. Here's a guy who might be coach of the year, but they wanted to run him out of the organization not because he didn't do his job well—he was great at his job. They thought he was leaking stuff to me. This is how dangerous some of the people are in this organization. Tom is the most loyal employee you'll find, and these knuckleheads ran him out because they thought he was telling me stuff. I mean, give me a break."

brookdon
brookdon

I would love Thibideau. Def holds players accountable.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

They want our 2018 first round pick, no doubt and a few more seconds.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@akamarb Great comment, except there are only 82 games in a season......

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

@akamarb Woodson is a horrible coach and he doesn't deserve jack. he is going to get his money anyway so just fire him. I believe the team wins despite his bad coaching and in the playoffs he will be exploited.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kojo Brown There's isn't a coach out there with all the attributes you're describing. And the closest possiblities aren't a match with the Knicks' FO.

People need to understand that when/if Woodson goes, the replacement won't be a HOF coach.

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

@knickfan2 Tibbs is Far from a huge mistake and it would be the smartest move the Knicks have made in over 2 decades. Tibbs has the 1 and the 2  but the minutes distribution is something I can live with. Woodson is burning the heck out of Melo and all of his favorites. D Rose knees are shot because of the way he plays not because of Tibbs. The dude had a year off and still he broke down. 

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

Can't blame Thibs for Rose's injuries. That'd be like folks blaming Woodrow for Chandler's injury due to all the switching.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knickfan2 You think Thibs is to blame for Rose's injuries?

First off, when you play with reckless abandon, you submit yourself to constant injuries due to all the contact.

And second, his latest injuries came less than 20 games into the season. 

No chance to put that on Thibs.

His minute distribution is far from desired, but I didn't see Noah particularly tired while he dominated Lopez last season in the playoffs. I didn't see Butler letting down after playing 48 mintues 2 games in a row in the playoffs.

Also, let's take into consideration that he's had to shuffle and reshuffle his rotations and lineups due to injury 2 years in a row with multiple players going down. When you only have 2 decent players off the bench you really don't have much to do.

That said, there isn't a Pop or Doc out there.


If there's any truth to this, you do it in the blink of an eye.

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

@Sandro Guedes Hearing Felton could go to Toronto and another asset. Lowry makes more than $6 million this season, so that would make sense financially.

akamarb
akamarb

that same horrible coach gave us 54 wins and the best record in 20 years....yes he is AWFUL right....how quickly ppl forget

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

bigdishing

You talking having injured players, not a full deck, or the elevator's not running to the top floor, need a checkup from the neck up, not a full deck?

fasheezee
fasheezee

@VerySilentJay @Kojo Brown You right. No HOF coach here until Dolan is, by some fantastic miracle, gone or he finds Jesus and decides to give up some power.

knickfan2
knickfan2

Chandler's herniated disc in his neck late last season and in the playoffs most likely stemmed from constant physical play. His latest leg injury came when Kemba Walker collided with his leg.

Thib's guys are getting (non-contact) nagging foot and leg injuries early in their careers.

knickfan2
knickfan2

Noah played all of last season's playoffs with plantar fasciitis, an injury that primarily affects athletes in their mid to late 30's. D.Rose has a torn meniscus less than 20 games into the season (think Lin & D'Antoni).

There's a direct correlation between overuse and wear & tear on the body. Rose's and Noah's injuries were not the result of contact, but instead being overused. When Westbrook tore his meniscus, it was because Patrick Beverly barreled into him. Rose's meniscus tear came from simply running back on defense.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

40 wins 34-27 .557

44 wins 38-23 .623


We need to turn it around fast to get there. 9 more games in December before Chandler gets back.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

@denelor @Seth Plaut @BiggieSmalls I don't think he is going to last much longer. We are playing at Boston, and teams such as Atlanta and Washington who have torched us. Good chance we lose at least two of those games.

knickfan2
knickfan2

Jay, see it from a different perspective outside of it just being less than 20 games into the season.

"Part of the complaint against Thibodeau isn’t about the “average” minutes, but the “extreme” minutes he plays his guys during certain games."

I copied and pasted that from blogabull.com

Thibs will have a 3 or 4 game stretch where guys like Rose, Deng, and/or Noah will play 42 minutes each game. This is his major criticism. Like a Bulls beat writer explained above, its *not* the average minutes or the number # of games played so far...but instead, its the 3 or 4 game span when he plays players excessively.

When the Bulls got off to their slow start this season, Rose's, Butler's, Noah's, and Deng's minutes all increased (we haven't even talked about his extreme practices). All it takes is 3 or 4 straight games logging 40 minutes apiece...and there's your potential meniscus tear.

No coincidence that each of the 4 names I have menioned (all starters) in the previous paragraph have all missed playing time so far this season (only 20 games in).

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@knickfan2 Meniscus tear due to wear and tear less than 20 games into the season?

Yeah, if this had happened in January, sure, I'd buy it. But it's not the case. Rose has a stlye of ball prone to contact and a strong load to a player's knees. And his meniscus tear was just bad luck.


Plantar fasciaitis is quite a common injury, especially on athletes. Of any age. And Noah had recouped it to such point that he could play.


You said it, Rose was running back on D and one unlucky step and goodbye meniscus. Nothing to do with being wore down from too many minutes less than 20 games into the season.