Watch: Chris Carlin discusses the future of Carmelo Anthony

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MeloStat301
MeloStat301

Going through Knicksnow photos, looks as if H20 is giving Shump pointers again on that J.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

Pacers would be stupid as stupid to trade for Lowry.  Firstly, he is going to cost more than Hill in the long run.  They don't need any more offense .  Thridly, getting Granger on Toronto does not work because he is also at the end of his contract and his knees are broke.


The "Gypsy" would want Stephenson which would cause an instant dial tone.


Trade has no chance.


rico
rico

Maybe the Suns will take Amare back for their playoff run. He'd be great with Dragic.  Next year he'd be a 25 dollar expiring tract to trade or let expire

and I am SURE Dolan would agree to pay the entire 25 mil.


This actually makes sense

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

“I did notice during the game Melo and Kevin were jawing a lot at each other,’’ she writes. “But that’s basketball, the heat of the game. I really didn’t think anything of it. But when Melo went to have words with him, I knew it had to be more than an in-game beef.


“I asked Melo about it and all he said was that Kevin said things you shouldn’t stay to a person you have a friendship with or respect for. [Melo] told him I’m not some rookie. We’ve been in this league a while together so don’t treat me the way you’d treat a rookie. I’m sure the words were a little stronger than that but that was the gist of what Melo said back to Kevin.’’


http://nypost.com/2014/01/28/la-la-anthony-reveals-in-book-garnett-didnt-say-cheerios/

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Maybe I'm missing something on the Okafor for Chandler trade. Okafor is out indefinitely with neck surgery and may not be able to play again. He is an expiring contract and the Knicks would need to sign him unless they feel that Tyler and/or Aldrich is a quality NBA center. If they do sign Okafor, there is no certainty about his minutes and production.

Chandler is a former DPOY, starter in the All-Star game, and Olympic team center. It would be clearly a step down, especially in light trying to build a Championship team. Maybe Chandler is overpaid, but that is par for the course at the center position.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

If given a choice, who would you rather have join Knicks. Lamarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love?

rico
rico

I'm fine with hearing or reading what Cris Carlin says. I get no excitement in "see what chris carlin says"  


just sayin'

darealeric
darealeric

Future? WHAT FUTURE? this season and franchise are a slow motion train wreck and they expect him to stay? Everyone is just standing idly by holding their d-cks in their hands refusing to make any moves.

omega_red
omega_red

According to the player tracking technology at SportVU, Anthony makes 42.7 passes a game. That's comparable to other 20-point-per-game small forwards, such as Miami's LeBron James (49.4), Indiana's Paul George (46.7), Orlando's Arron Afflalo (44.2) and Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant (37.7). Of Anthony's 42.7 passes, about 6.5 a game would become assists if his teammates hit all the shots they created. In other words, about 15% of Anthony's passes lead to a scoring opportunity. How does that rate rank among the aforementioned group? At the bottom, far behind those of Durant (32%) and James (24%), and still trailing Afflalo (17.8%) and George's (15.2%).

But even if he isn't setting up his teammates as frequently as other players around the NBA do, that's not to suggest that Anthony doesn't put his fellow Knicks in good positions to score. Anthony's teammates shoot 47.6% (126-of-264) after receiving one of his passes, much better than their 43.4% (1,203-of-2,772) mark in other situations. Really, Anthony's passing, or lack thereof, is usually a function of what type of play he's involved in, and where he's standing on the court. When he's isolating or double-teamed on the right side of the floor, Anthony is generally poor at distributing. (The Knicks shoot 11%, for 0.22 points, per play when he breaks an isolation to find a spot-up shooter, and just 36.7%, for 0.94 points per play, when he passes out of a double-team from the right, per Synergy Sports.) He passes the ball almost twice as frequently—and twice as well—when he's double-teamed on the left side of the floor. Wall Street Journal

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@MeloStat301 Wasting his time yet again.  EVERYONE is trying to fix Shump's shot. LOL.  

What they need to do, is hire a coach that can teach him a handle and decision making. They also need one to teach him how to finish. 

On second thought, just give him THJR minutes because he can do ALL OF THAT ALREADY.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@orlando_knickfan 

"They don't need any more offense."


Huh?  It's defense that the Pacers have in spades, as far and away the best defensive team in the league.  They are the 19th-best offense.

George Hill is a great fit for what the Pacers do - he defends and doesn't turn the ball over. Lowry, while more erratic, offers more offensive punch but is still no slouch defensively.

And it's not just a matter of whether or not Ujiri can land Stephenson - he will have to compare the Pacers' best offer to the rest of the market.  It's not like the Pacers have no bargaining power here either, and they have 1st-rounders to spare.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

@onewhoknix Should have done it when we had the chance. However, Lowry does NOT fit that team.  He is offense first and they have enough offense. That's why Hill is PERFECT for their system.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@onewhoknix 

Wow the Pacers' situation obviously ain't broke, but Lowry seems like a great roster and culture fit for their ballclub....

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic  

The trade would purely be for the draft pick...Okafor is irrelevant other than salary-match.  The trade would be made with the belief that building a championship team around the current group is infeasible.  It's a step-down in the short term for flexibility elsewhere (have two draft picks to throw at Boston for Rondo, or throw one away for Lowry and another for Larry Sanders, etc.).  Personally, I'm not in favor of an in-season Chandler trade, but I'd like to see the Knicks look into trading him during the summer.

Chandler has many "former" accolades, but the Knicks have to assess what he can bring to the table now and for the next 3-4 years.  As a Knick, he hasn't produced any meaningful playoff impact, and his regular season on-court impact appears to be diminishing .... unsurprising for a 31 year-old with a lot of NBA miles.  Knicks are in a position where they will need to weigh their playoff prospects this season as well as in the years to come...

saintknick
saintknick

@Kenny Kaufman Aldridge is one of the best players in the NBA, but can be an all-star as a Robin to Melo's Batman because he does everything on the court and doesn't need the ball in his hands.


Kevin Love is the better player (right now) but he needs to be the guy to be the most effective.


The other option is to not sign Melo, and instead use the 55 million you'd then likely have in 2015 to sign Aldridge, a PG (bledsoe?), and K.Love. Thats a scary scary team. The NBA is full of useful SGs and SFs. If you can have A+ players at C and PF, and a solid next tier guy at PG, you gotta do it.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kenny Kaufman Aldrige, no doubt. He can actually defend and cares more about doing that instead of rebounding.


That being said, if you had to choose someone to help Melo, you go for a star PG. No doubt about it.

thatsagoodpoint
thatsagoodpoint

@Heartcore I would absolutely make that trade. Chandler for Okafor and a draft pick would prove to be a pretty decent contingency plan should Melo walk away. If he doesn't it gives us a draft pick.

HypoCrit_calNYKfans
HypoCrit_calNYKfans

@Heartcore 

I'd rather the Knicks trade for the Lakers 2015 pick that the Suns have. The 2015 draft will be an even better draft and deeper too with more pg and center prospects!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Biggie NY media will push it as much as they can.

They got plenty of reasons to do so:


1. The Knicks have sucked all season long, giving them the "Why would Melo stick around"? argument

2. Melo was the first one to say that wanted to test the FA waters, exposing himself to media scrutiny. That's on him.

3. The coach has had run ins with players all season long, and now some are questioning his schemes and approach to the game. This also becomes part of the ecuation when the media places everything in "context" for their agenda".

4. Melo's personal trainer was fired because of "philosophical" differences with Woodson after he's been questioned by key players on the team. All of this comes back to Melo in some way or another.


Plus, add all this to one simple fact: Melo is hated simply because he's not LBJ, and the fanbase will forever condemn him for that (in what is an egregious mistake, imo).

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@omega_red You are right. In the end the players simply have to hit their shots and it will look good for everybody!

rico
rico

@VerySilentJay @rico why not? Stat is a hometown hero down there. They need inside scoring..they don't need Oka.


And if Dolan paid the 25 mil owed to Stat, the Suns (who are not spenders) would have a productive player (when healthy) who is also a home town hero

for free. 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_FanaticMost of the words to Melo caught on the recordings are "PASS THE DARN BALL! or It's ISO Time and I can just stand here!"

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@DolanitisDr@Knicks_Fanatic 

If Chandler is traded for a middle first draft pick, the Denver Nuggets will be the winner of that trade. The loss of Chandler for nothing will insure a high lottery pick for Denver.

Right now the Wizards (one of the Phoenix picks) have the 17th pick based on current standings. That would result in someone named Sam Dekker. Not sure that Sam Dekker for Tyson Chandler is a wise move.

rgm891
rgm891

@Biggie @Heartcore You guys think the Knicks are going to even entertain any sort of trades by the deadline? Or wait it out until the offseason or during next season. What u think?

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@orlando_knickfan @DolanitisDr 

As an offensive threat, Lowry will also create shots and opportunities for his teammates - something Hill is not adept at doing.  In fact, Hill has expressed in interviews that he feels more comfortable as a 2-guard.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie @DolanitisDr  

"And you know im not in the "throw in the towel" camp"


Yes - did not mean to imply that you were part of that camp, only expressing that I don't think a Tyson trade is a "throw-in-the-towel" deal.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie @DolanitisDr @Knicks_Fanatic 

I don't think it's necessarily a "throw-in-the-towel" deal, but I do think it is a step-down for this season, if only from an injury insurance standpoint.  And hardly the type of deal one would make if a championship was in sights for this season.


But I tend to agree with you - in this Eastern conference, and given the Knicks' performance with and without Chandler, trading Tyson would not immediately doom the Knicks to watching the playoffs from their couches...they could stay afloat.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @DolanitisDr  

Obviously, I was using the Boston scenario as a hypothetical...the point is that to nab a star player via trade, you need draft picks...which the Knicks have none.  IF the Knicks were aware that a very good player was on the block, then a Chandler deal would be sensible as a stepping stone.  Teams don't always openly advertise that a star player is on the trading block, anyway - we're not privvy to the reality on the inside (see unexpected Deron Williams trade from Utah)


"If the Knicks really wanted draft picks, they wouldn't have traded 3 for Bargnani." 

Well, that's partially my point...Knicks could then look to swing the picks for another player, as was done in the Bargnani deal...besides, we may be discussing two different things.  You are now referring to the Knicks' managerial stupidity/aversion to draft picks as a reason against the likelihood of such a trade; I am simply explaining why a Chandler trade would make some sense IF Knicks management had some brains.


By the way, the Knicks are already hard to watch WITH Tyson...

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@DolanitisDr 

Boston has already talked to Rondo about an extension. They have never indicated he is on the block and they just named him team captain.

If the Knicks really wanted draft picks, they wouldn't have traded 3 for Bargnani.If we have to spend a season and a half with Bargnani starting center, it will be hard to watch.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @DolanitisDr 

The Denver pick is a sunk cost - it's gone.  The Knicks' primary concern has to be the Knicks roster - now and moving forward...not whether or not Denver benefits.  (unless embarrassment is that costly to the Knicks' organization)


As I mentioned, picks are not just valuable as draft selections, but as trade assets.  I'm not privvy to the inner NBA circles, but if Boston says they need two 1st-rounders for Rondo, well...

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@rgm891 Seems unlikely. At the most, they'll see who gets waived and take their chances on one of those sacrificing one of the last players off the bench.

OLDKNICK
OLDKNICK

@Biggie @VerySilentJay Is that sandy??? Heartcore? Wow too many name changes for me to keep up. I thought he was just busy in angola.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@saintknick @VerySilentJay @Heartcore @Biggie Not to win per se (we both know this is hardly an option), but at least to reach the playoffs, which was the initial goal.

I'd consider it an overachievement as long as Woodson sticks around, and I'll be damned if Denver gets a lottery pick out of us.

saintknick
saintknick

@VerySilentJay @Heartcore @Biggie the question is, do you want to remove your obligations to felton in 2015 (5 mil I think, or close to it)?


See, you are still intending to win this year.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Heartcore @Biggie Felton's the only PG we have that can generate off the dribble and get to the basket.

He's not a starter but a very solid backup PG with a very good contract. Why give up the bets PG we got (even if he's a backup one)?

I'm not ready to give up on the season and giving up Felton and Chandler pretty much sends whatever chances this team has of getting to the playoffs straight down the toilet.