What influence will Derek Fisher have over Knicks’ roster?

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

In hiring Derek Fisher as the next head coach of the Knicks, it’s safe to say Phil Jackson got his guy.

Despite having no prior coaching experience, Fisher’s championship pedigree has undoubtedly readied him for such a challenge. But perhaps more importantly, however, he’ll be more than willing to allow Jackson to guide him in what they consider to be the right direction.

As a first-timer, Fisher was presumedly hired, in part, because he won’t have an issue with Jackson toeing the line and potentially overstepping that coach/executive boundary…


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With that in mind, one has to wonder what influence (if any) the five-time NBA champion will have on the Knicks’ roster, even though this is truly Jackson’s show to run.

Should Jackson choose to rely upon Fisher as his right-hand man, rather than simply treat him as a pawn while taking control as a puppet-master of sorts, the rookie coach could certainly aid the rookie executive in reeling in some talented players along the way.

Between former executives, coaches, and even players, Jackson wants to continue surrounding himself with familiar faces. But with little to no cap flexibility until next summer, such players would need to accept discounts to come play in the Big Apple.

Perhaps Fisher’s persuasion will prove to be the difference maker. The likes of Steve Blake and Pau Gasol are two former Fisher-teammates set to hit the free agency market in just a few short weeks. Each could stand to help the Knicks in different ways. Hearing from Fisher, as a friend and past teammate who has been in the trenches with them previously, may resonate with each one a bit more than hearing from a mentor like Jackson would.

Just days removed from his own respective playing career, it will undoubtedly be easier for Fisher to relate as he conveys why playing for the Knicks would be beneficial.

For what it’s worth, Andrew Bynum is also set to be a free agent this summer, and could be worth the risk for New York, should he come at a steadily discounted price. Fisher’s former Thunder teammate, Kevin Durant, will be hitting the open market in 2016.

As Jackson aims to improve this roster bit by bit, selling such talented players on potential reunions with Fisher may go a long way. Considered to be the consummate teammate and a well-respected veteran, some of those very characteristics are ones that qualify Fisher as a good coaching fit for the Knicks.

Hopefully the team can reap the benefits of those traits, should some of Fisher’s past quality teammates opt to give donning orange and blue a try.

Just as Jackson prefers to reach into his inner circle for help off the court, perhaps Fisher can work on reaching into his for help on it, as well.




169 comments
lobcity1
lobcity1

I'm sorry but,I wouldn't do that Bulls trade. They need to add a draft pick or something.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Perhaps Phil will keep Chandler, Bargnani, and STAT and see how they work in the triangle. If they are able to contribute in the system, they can be signed at much lower salaries in 2015. If they aren't a fit, they can possibly moved at the trade deadline. 

It might be unpopular here, but having some patience to see who is worth keeping and who isn't would be the long range plan.

barnaby87
barnaby87

Random, but a bulls writer on nba.com brought up this trade scenario which is seemingly interesting and seems to make sense (at least I think it does):

Knicks get: Noah

Bulls get: Tyson, Shump, and Prig


Why it makes sense (from his perspective).  The bulls clear up cap space to make a run at some top FA's next year as Noah doesn't come off the book until 2016 I believe.  Bulls get a center for a year, Shump (who Thibs will get the most out of), and a backup point in Prig who can more or less play Hinrich's role.  Noah is an upgrade to Chandler for the knicks and we can swing another star in 2015 still.

barnaby87
barnaby87

@Sandro Guedes Well if rumors are true (which probably aren't although trading Noah has seemingly be brought up a lot this off-season), they are seemingly so overly infatuated with K-Love that they don't care if they lose Noah.

therealprof
therealprof

@barnaby87 This would sound more plausible if they were asking for a scorer, because we all know that the Bulls have no shooters at all. I dont dispute your link or the existence of this article on Bulls.com, but I would seriously question the Bulls organization if they trade Noah the offseason after trading Deng. Its almost like they are sabotaging themselves. 

theking
theking

@barnaby87  he would have to good defenders in shump and butler ... maybe we can try to pry butler from them

therealprof
therealprof

@barnaby87 Its funny to see a Bulls writer propose trading Noah after his best season for Jimmy Butler light, old man Prigs and an expiring contract, but I would do this trade in a heartbeat if it were proposed. I dont think there is a better Triangle big than Noah in the league.

chudogz1
chudogz1

@barnany87. BarnBoy SUCKS, sorry to tell you... Even if he is meant for the triangle offense, he will get hurt by the midway point, this ruining his trade value at the deadline...

therealprof
therealprof

@barnaby87 @Sandro Guedes They sent Deng away for nothing at the deadline, maybe that was a sign that whoever is in charge is losing their mind. That is the only way that I can get on board with this idea being real. Not getting my hopes up. Maybe they will take Bargs for Taj Gibson while they are at it...lol

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@thatsagoodpoint @illmatix @Knicks_Fanatic 

I don't see Phil trading Chandler for a pick. He is our only legitimate starting center. I would dread seeing a mix of Bargnani, STAT, and Aldrich in the post. If you want to move Chandler, better to hope he gets back to form and move him at the trade deadline to a contender.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@therealprof @barnaby87 @Sandro Guedes 

The Bulls offered Deng a 3 year $30 million contract and he laughed at it. They decided that he wasn't worth more than that. Cleveland also wasn't able to get him signed as well.

Deng is looking for big money.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes @barnaby87 

These guys see what they want to see. The Bulls writer adds this after laying out of the trade for Noah;

"How could they pass on that? Oh, right, they give up the only good player in the deal."

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@barnaby87 @Knicks_Fanatic 

They take it totally out of context and distort it. Read the whole thing;

I’ve heard this one: The Knicks get Noah and the Bulls get Tyson Chandler, a good expiring deal so they can go after Kevin Love next year, and Iman Shumpert, who is from Chicago and a good defender who Thibs would like and Pablo Prigioni, a good backup point if they lose Augustin and Hinrich. The Bulls gets three for one. How could they pass on that? Oh, right, they give up the only good player in the deal. Just what the Knicks might be thinking regarding Anthony.

It's sarcasm and not intended as a real proposal.

Again, "How could they pass on that? Oh, right, they give up the only good player in the deal."

johneco
johneco

@Knicks_Fanatic @thatsagoodpoint @illmatix  I agree totally.  I can't believe how much people here undersell Chandler.  He was the #2 player on a championship team and DPOY, and still in his prime - yet people here seem doubtful we could even get a late 1st rounder for him.

therealprof
therealprof

@Knicks_Fanatic @therealprof @barnaby87 @Sandro Guedes Cant blame him really, he has been carrying the Bulls offensively forever because of D-Rose's knees. Deng is a legit 2-way talent and deserves to get paid. I wish there was a way to get him in NY, but him being a FA this year pretty much kills that. 

jeandd323
jeandd323

@johneco @Knicks_Fanatic @thatsagoodpoint @illmatix Chandler is useless. His offense is nonexistent. He does not protect the rim at all as he got beaten for layups time after time during the season. His rebounding lets a lot to be desired. Overall, a mediocre center both on the offensive and  defensive ends.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@thatsagoodpoint @Knicks_Fanatic @Sandro Guedes @barnaby87 

Just to remind everyone, ex-gator Joakim Noah is the current 1st team All-NBA center and DPOY. He is signed for $12.2 million next year and $13.4 million the year after that. 

He's not going anywhere. The Bulls even refused to offer Noah in any deal for Melo back when the Knicks trade went down. If they wouldn't trade him for Melo then, they aren't trading him for Chandler, Shump, and Prigs.

barnaby87
barnaby87

@Sandro Guedes @theking @barnaby87 Felton is the worst starting point in the league with a terrible contract.  They can sign a vet pg at the vet's minimum who can outplay him.  JR is a headcase.  And it's about taking poor contracts and sacrificing a pick then it is getting rid of Perkins.

Kevin Olenick
Kevin Olenick

@jeandd323 @johneco @Knicks_Fanatic @thatsagoodpoint @illmatix

its only 2014. last season of these players contract. 

phil is just trying to evaluate their progress no matter

it is a winning or losing season. I didn't get see a lot 

of these players showing up in games. phil is aware

of those players lack of knowledge but what could save

this team is trying to fix the roster 

barnaby87
barnaby87

@Sandro Guedes @barnaby87 @theking No, misinterpreting my nick young comment.  I'm saying it makes no sense to trade for JR when they could sign Nick Young who is basically the same player (and by the way, not as big of a head case).  Not saying Nick Young is not a headcase, but just making a point that he's just as valuable of a player as JR is