What’s on Tap: Standings, Reports, Next Match Up

The Celtics lost and the Raptors won while the NetsKnicks and Sixers had the night off.

screenshot-2013-12-23-08-40-08

The Knicks are now 3.5 games back of the division leading Raptors.

Catching Up On The Weekend

Find out when Adam Zagoria thinks Raymond Felton could return.

See which Knicks shooting guard Harris Decker thinks Mike Woodson should bench.

Check out this months fan confidence rating which is the lowest of the season.

Read the Week 8 LIU Report Card here.





42 comments
caseysdad
caseysdad

Idiots, there are 12/23/13 Knick posts in here at the end of this thread

Logan Monstuart
Logan Monstuart

As some of you know, I am one of Frans Nielsen's biggest fans but he has been showing VERY little of late. Need him desperately for playoffs, start showing up, Frans.

Halak too better get his head out of his butt or Isles' playoff chances, to paraphrase Han Solo, "I sure hope that old man got that tractor beam disabled or this is going to be a really short flight."

Chewy!!!

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Logan Monstuart i think if frans bailey & KO are our second line for the rest of the year we will start to see him putting up some #s

caseysdad
caseysdad

Blog people are clueless get tghis crap straightened out it has been long enough, or get some tech help .

gleichzal2
gleichzal2

i've gone around to thinking the top need is a big veteran forward.  that's become more glaring to me even than the crease clearing d-man.  i think they get pinned in their own end because the inexperienced forwards haven't figured out that part of the game yet.  they need someone who shows them how you skate and make plays just to get out of your own end.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

i want Lucic. i could see boston moving him in the offseason to acquire pieces to do a quick little rebuild with all of their guys aging and lucic only one year remaining on his contract.  he is big and he is mean. wishful thinking of course

Don22
Don22

@slapshot18_rs Although I really don't like him, I guess I would on my team.  However, what pieces do you move for him?  Also, he's a UFA after next season making 6 mil per.   Could the Isles even afford him - or afford to resign him?  

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@Don22 @slapshot18_rs he is the ideal "love to have him on your team, hate to play against him" type of player - i didn't really look too in depth about it so im not sure how or if it would actually work financially considering other needs that we have.  but with Lubo's money coming off of the books and we are still sitting on the bottom third in team payroll, im sure we have the money to make it work.  


he is a stanley cup champion, top line left wing that would ensure protection for JT and is scary to play against.  that is all i have based this on up to this point.  but with boychuk and leddy locked up long term now, i'd feel like a top d prospect or  two may be movable now in order to gain legit NHL talent.  also seems liek the type of contract snow goes for....one year remaining on an existing contract and hoping to resign.  just food for thought.

bobb
bobb

Interesting stat I just read on Puck Daddy:


New York Islanders: The Isles have dropped 12 of the last 17, with just 37 goals in that stretch. Does that coincide entirely with Mikhail Grabovski getting hurt? Yes, yes it does.



Personally, I like Grabovski, but I don't see him as such a prominent piece of the puzzle. I'm still thinking this is just a coincidence.



doc942
doc942

The general consensus amongst the doomsayers and gloom and doom prognosticators of this team is the following.  Some or all may or may not apply to you.  So I am sorry if I am painting with a broad stroke.  But I was asked to present a defense of Capuano.


I have no idea if he's a good coach, a bad coach or a great coach in the making.


All I can go on is that the players play hard for him.  I don't know how he runs a practice, diagrams plays or schemes defense zone breakouts.


But what I do know is that the effort is always there.  (Every team has a no show game or 2 or 3 during the season.)


But if the general consensus among the doomsayers is that the Islanders currently are the following:


Undersized, lack an elite left wing for JT, have no back-up goalie, have not had a "real #1" goalie until this year, have had a TERRIBLE defense until Leddy and Boychuck arrived, still lack a stay at home crease clearing defensemen, lack an enforcer, employ Strait, Hickey, Visnovsky, Donovan and de Haan (some actually don't like de Haan) all on the same defense (they're all useless according to many on here), plus Okposo was hurt for 20 games, Grabovski has been hurt half the season, Grabner has played sparingly, Nielsen is not as effective this year, Nelson disappeared for a long stretch etc etc etc.


Despite that and of course having a minor league head coach that doesn't teach "one-timers" a power play specialist that doesn't know how to teach the PP, a PK that couldn't kill a penalty against a high school team for most of the season among other deficiencies and guess what?


This Islanders team is 45-27-5 with 5 games to play.


Capuano must be doing something right with such an awful team.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@doc942


A lot will ride on what his team does come playoffs.  


I said in the beginning of the season that snow should just cut Strait.  And that Cappy has a  man crush on Strait. Would have loved to have seen what Dono has after an extended look.. and nowhe's playing over deHaan?!?


I'm neutral with Cappy, He can be unconventional and is open to criticism, but all that matters is the playoffs.  We're not there yet.

Don22
Don22

@doc942 He doesn't use his time out.  Case closed.  


Seriously, I am still not sure if Cappy is the guy to lead this team to the next level or not.  But I am not going to pull out the whip because the team is in a slump.  Some people have pulled it out, and to be fair - some have had it out all year.  Going forward, please revert back to your numbered outline style so it's easier to comment.  LOL.


1.  Undersized:  Many say they are and it's just not true.  When compared to the rest of the league, they come in around the top 1/3 in height and weight.  Some teams are bigger for sure, but not many.  If you want to say they are not physical enough as a team, OK - but undersized?  No.

2.  Elite left wing for JT:  I agree it would be nice, but who is that guy and how do they get him here?  

3.  Backup goalie:  Not very good all year.  Not for lack of trying.  Johnson was a solid get that nobody panned.  It just didn't work out.

4.  Terrible defense:  Leddy and Boychuk helped for sure, but they still need that defensive guy who can handle his own zone.  It doesn't have to be a top pair.  Crease clearer you say - I agree.

5.  Strait, Hickey, Viz - all have their pluses and minuses.  Strait is a good 8th guy.   Hickey plays bigger than he is.  Viz is good in spurts.  He will be gone next year.  deHaan - still learning the game.  Donovan - well.....


I guess this is my long winded way of agreeing with you.  Although I am not fully in Camp Cappy, I don;t think he should take all the barbs.  Sooner or later the players need to pull up their big boy pants and execute.


doc942
doc942

@willymayshays @doc942 This is not a finished product.  But they can do some damage come playoff time.


There is room for improvement and they will continue to grow together as a team with or without Capuano come next season.


Sit back and enjoy this season for what it is.

Logan Monstuart
Logan Monstuart

@Don22 @doc942 I think Hickey has had a strong season, think Donovan deserves more than a "well...." The times I've seen him play hasn't misplayed. Viz playing VERY well right now, but....

doc942
doc942

@Don22 @doc942 Don... thank you for your input.  If we can agree that these are all flaws that the team has, some are perceived and others are real, (no team is perfect and some less than perfect than others) then doesn't that build the case that Capuano is actually doing a pretty good job with a flawed team?


I have no idea what this team would be (better or worse) with Babcock, Hitchcock or any other ----c@ck... all I'm saying is he's doing a pretty good job, the players PLAY for him and I think he's been a good coach for this team right now.


kevinpt
kevinpt

@doc942 Personally, I think Capuano is good with the players, but poor at in-game coaching and lineups. Like Don, I'm unsure he's the guy to take the team to the next level. He is what he is - a cheap coach during a rebuilding time. Now we're finally seeing what he can do with a good team - and the jury is still out. I do find it funny, however, how people make comments how terrible he is, yet also say "this team is JT and a bunch of third liners." Well, I guess the coach has to be doing something right to have this kind of record with one semi-elite player and a bunch of third liners.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@Logan Monstuart @Don22 @doc942 Hickey had a great first half, but hasn't been too great lately in my opinion. Not sure if he's just worn out or maybe he may be nursing a minor injury or something. 

bobb
bobb

@doc942  I just posted a stat that the Islanders dropped 12 of the last 17! They won so many 1 goal, OT and shootouts in the first half that their point total was inflated. Things are starting to balance out now and we're finding the Islanders aren't as good as advertised. They have many weaknesses including the ones you mentioned. How do you explain a team with the record they have and only a +20 goal differential? Half the team are minus players.


So it's either the coach, or the players, or both. The person in charge of both is Garth Snow. While he's made this team a playoff team (which 10 years to complete this isn't asking a lot) he still has a lot of work to do. Yes we have a lot of good young talent, but so does every team in the NHL. Look at the Rangers, Tampa, and St. Louis to name a few. Stop defending and accepting mediocrity., because the current team is mediocre and given the time, money ( a king's ransome spent on Grabovski, Kulimen, Leddy, Boychuck and Halak) and drafting, this team should be better!

isles23
isles23

I agree Kevin, I have been a hickey supporter and I've cited how he wins a lot of one on one battles. He hasn't been doing that lately, I think you may be right on the injury/worn down.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@bobb @doc942 Bobb, weren't you the one who posted a message yesterday saying, "Islanders suck"?  Apparently they are on the rise, since they moved up to mediocre from sucks in just 24 hours. 


The team is not perfect, it has flaws like other teams, but this is a good season. A winning record, young players having 20 goal seasons, breaking club records, having winning road trips out west. Enjoy it. It may not last.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@kevinpt @doc942 Kevin, I am sorry, but I don't think it works that way. The team has success in spite of Cappy not because of him. Thus, according to this logic, a real coach would get more out of JT and the third liners.

kevinpt
kevinpt

@islesfan77 @kevinpt @doc942 Then it can't be both ways. There's no way the team stinks and the coach stinks and they still have the record they do. Doesn't add up. So if you think Cappy is a poor coach, then the players have to be better than JT and a bunch of third liners in order to produce that kind of record. Not saying you said that btw.

islesfan77
islesfan77

yeah, i am with you. i am just trying to understand the logic (??) to the rants

Don22
Don22

@doc942 @Don22 I agree with you there.  It think he has done a fine job.  Has at least earned the right not to be questioned at every turn.


But again, I personally am still not sure if he is the guy to get them to the next level, which is a threat in the playoffs.  I could be totally wrong on that - but it's just something in my gut (and a big one it is).

Don22
Don22

@Logan Monstuart @Don22 @doc942 I will say Donovan has played OK in the few starts he has had lately.  I just feel like he has looked lost more often than not.   It could be that he just hasn't had the chance.  He is an RFA after this season, so not sure if they just let him walk or sign him to another contract.  After they way they kind of let him rot a bit in the box this season, my guess is they were just waiting it out to let him go?  Not sure.

islesfan77
islesfan77

@doc942 Doc, nice post. I have been labeled an apologist and a fan of Cappy, Snow and Wang. It seems like that if you don't trash the team or the coach, you don't care, you think everything is great and that you are not a real fan.

Like you, I really don't know if Cappy is a good coach. I am not on the bench or in the locker room. Maybe if Cappy was canned tomorrow, the team would play better or maybe the team would crumble, we really don't know. 


I say just enjoy the ride. It has been a much better season than in many seasons past. No, the team is not perfect or without flaws, but the team  can finish with 95+ points, maybe 100, enjoy it.

hoverlow
hoverlow

i dont know what amazes me more - the fact that this blog can't fix the knicks problem OR the fact that there are this many Knicks fans who actually care enough to comment on the team.

Sportsfan1970
Sportsfan1970

Great win for the team yesterday but lets not get too excited.  They beat the Devils last week and we thought that would be the end of the streak and then they continued to slump so I think the Thursday game will be as important as Sunday.  


Two things you have to like though was the Isles power play.  The puck movement was so much better and as pointed out on the telecast the 2 guys in front of the net on the second pp goal was good to see.


In general the offensive explosion was good as well.  I will be the first to say the Detroit goaltender was not good.  The Nielsen goal was awful.  The Nelson goal was a unscreened shot from the slot.  Slightly better rebound control would have helped on the Strome goal.  But the fact of the matter is the Isles skated really well, they hit, forechecked, cycled and did the things they haven't been doing for a month and they deserved some breaks.


Hopefully it is a sign of things to come.  Lets just not say everything is ok because losing to Columbus on Thursday puts them back under the microscope.

NYJETSFAN com (NYK)
NYJETSFAN com (NYK)

I look at those standings and it is like a cold breeze. Toronto at 1 and we scraping the bottom of the barrel with a decent roster (on paper)? Just doesn't make any sense at all. What a nightmare.

Marvel
Marvel

Same coach, same team, most likely the same rotations etc....


what's the point?


buddhabing
buddhabing

That Jan sched is a killer. They're gonna either sink or swim. It could get ugly then again they might start clicking and get themselves back into it with impressive wins against quality opponents. Not getting my hopes up. Not conceding defeat either. Just sit back and see what happens.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Here is the January schedule and it looks like a difficult month.

January 2  New York @ San Antonio

January 3  New York @ Houston  

January 5  New York @ Dallas  

January 7  Detroit @ New York  

January 9   Miami @ New York   

January 11  New York @ Philadelphia  

January 13  Phoenix @ New York  

January 14  New York @ Charlotte  

January 16 New York @ Indiana   

January 17   LA Clippers @ New York  

January 20  Brooklyn @ New York  

January 22  Philadelphia @ New York  

January 24  Charlotte @ New York  

January 26  LA Lakers @ New York  

January 28   Boston @ New York  

January 30  Cleveland @ New York

1harris1
1harris1

@Knicks_Fanatic: Frankly, the last six are all games that a good team should win, but.................

Marvel
Marvel

@po_diddley  @illmatix

 How do you assume we win anything?