PJ Hairston

With sights on P.J. Hairston, Knicks could trade up in draft

The Knicks are reportedly considering maneuvering into the late first round of next week’s draft, possibly to draft troubled North Carolina guard P.J. Hairston (Berman, June 19).

Hairston was expelled in December for driving cars that were allegedly rented for him.

After being expelled, Hairston played for the D-League Texas Legends.

It’s expected that Hairston will be drafted between the 20th and 30th picks.

Writes Marc Berman:

“The Knicks have convinced at least one faction they are extremely serious about trading for or buying a late first-round pick with the NBA Draft less than a week away. When shooting guard P.J. Hairston agreed to work out for Knicks president Phil Jackson on June 5, it was the strongest indication they are setting their sights on more than just buying a second-rounder next Thursday night.”

According to Hairston’s agent, Juan Morrow, “the interest level” in his client is “very, very high.” Morrow added that”you never know what Phil Jackson has up his sleeve.”

If the Knicks do pull the trigger and move into the late first round in an effort to land Hairston, the Thunder, Suns, Bulls, and 76ers are among the teams who may emerge as trade partners.




82 comments
Derrick Parkinson
Derrick Parkinson

The writer says Knick are going to get in the first round but no clue of how they will do that.

Marvel
Marvel

Shump has so much rope with some, he'd have to jump from a cloud to hang himself. I get it, we saw a glimmer of hope like 3 years ago that he could be special.... now we see is once a month if lucky.


Damn, don't move him for Hairston but he needs to go imo.As does Chandler.

Marvel
Marvel

We have 3 SGs , this is either idiotic or foreshadowing of a trade to come, involving said SGs.



Honestly i dont get the hype over PJ.


I want Shabazz, Payton or Russ Smith.

SheSaidSpikeWho
SheSaidSpikeWho

Q&A from Bulls website; a little lengthy:


I wanted to ask you what the best scenario is for the Bulls in order for Carmelo Anthony to be a Bull next season?

Miriam Bahram


Sam: For Anthony to decide he wants to play for the Bulls. This really is what it comes down to because he has to play for substantially less money if he comes to Chicago. Yes, people will point to Dwight Howard and say he left an equivalent amount by signing with the Rockets. But he was younger and a center and they last longer. Imagine Anthony in four years at 34 after 14 years in the NBA. Is he getting another big contract? How big a contract do you think Dwyane Wade would get now on the open market at 32? Maybe $5 million? Maybe. Perimeter players go more quickly. So Anthony has to decide to walk away from that fifth year of close to $30 million and more with smaller raises. It’s a lot to ask. And why is it always asked of players? I don’t see many CEOs turning down big bonuses when they ruin their companies. Or the bankers who basically made the recession. I don’t see a lot of teams reducing ticket prices. Why should players take less money so the team (franchise) can have more success? It always seems to be the worker who should sacrifice. The U.S. is a capitalistic country. We’re supposed to seek out the best deal. Who accepts less at the job so the company can be more productive? There’s no guarantee of winning anywhere. Plus, as much as you may make at your job and are happy, don’t you then get upset when someone doing less is making more? That could be remedied with a sign and trade involving Carlos Boozer or maybe Taj Gibson and several other players. I don’t see the Knicks taking any contracts. And how would that look in New York to enhance a rival’s chances while taking back, say, Carlos Boozer? They’re asking a thousand dollars for those lower level seats. Could even Phil Jackson survive that? It’s all up to Anthony.


So if Melo tells the Knicks he's leaving don't they have to agree to a sign and trade? Sure they won't want to help him get more money but it makes awful business sense to not get anything for him if they have the chance. The Cavs and Raptors did the same thing with LeBron and Bosh so they at least got some compensation for them when they were going to lose them anyway. Would the Knicks take back Boozer & Dunleavy (both expiring) plus the Bulls two first round picks this year and a future first? The money matches and if that wasn't enough the Bulls could include their trade exceptions and take back Felton's contract... Either trade seems to be a great haul for Melo when comparing to what the aforementioned teams got for James and Bosh.

Billy Habibi


Sam: I don’t happen to agree you take back anything. You call Anthony’s bluff. And if he goes, he goes. Pat Riley made that point to his Big Three today as well: “We’ll survive. Life will go on without you. We’ve been down before and come back. But will you stand up to a challenge and not run away for the easy way out. Michael didn’t, Magic didn’t, Bird didn’t. You want to be considered an all-time great. Act like it!” Phil Jackson’s plan revolves around free agency, not draft picks. If he loses Anthony he’s not making the playoffs, so you ride it out, save your money and then hit free agency. I happen to think Anthony would be a great addition. Without doing anything major other than amnesty to Boozer, the Bulls have maybe $11 million or $12 million in cap room. They could give away players like Butler and Dunleavy , though to do so you generally have to add a draft pick, thus losing their two as they had to do with Kirk Hinrich in 2010. By the way, the two picks after their No. 17 pick that season used by Washington were Eric Bledsoe and Avery Bradley, who would have been nice to have along with Hinrich. Gibson probably won’t cost you a pick, but does Anthony want to decimate another team he’s going to? So there’s a big risk. Then say you are the team and do all that for the free agent. And then what if the guy decides to go elsewhere, like James and Wade and Bosh did in 2010. Say Anthony gives you the wink and says he’ll sign July 11. So you dump all that salary. Maybe Taj Gibson as well. Here’s a guy who begged the Knicks to trade for him, declaring lifetime fealty. Then after one bad season he wants to leave. Would you do all that and then trust him to sign for so much less money? What if LeBron calls him at the last minute July 11 and says, ‘Stay and I’ll join you next summer.” They are buddies. As crazy as it sounds I might still do it. Sometimes you have to take a big risk. You lose you probably are a lottery team. Hey, that’s what they pay the big executives for.


http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/ask-sam-sam-smith-opens-his-mailbag-06.20.2014

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Perhaps Hairston is being looked at to replace Melo's volume scoring, in case he leaves. If we lose Melo, Hairston could play the 3 with his bulk and wingspan. If Melo goes, who would start? Hairston is comfortable with taking 15-20 shots per game.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

SMH at all those who preach about building home grown players through the draft but want to pawn off Shumpert for a late first round pick.


Shump has been in the league for three years and has missed significant time due to injury.   HE's just coming into his own as a player and how the "build home grown talent" crew wants to dump him for some pie in the sky late first round pick.


Im all for trading Shump for useful pieces.  Not some draft pick we'll have to wait a further 2 plus years to bring up to speed.


Yes shumpert has had some bumps in the road but that's to be expected with DRAFTED talent.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

If we had a lottery pick it would be traded so picture us keeping somethin lower than that.

Kvdaone
Kvdaone

The media is funny. You know when we get a 1st rd pk its being traded on sight

nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

Since we are talking pipe dreams, what about trading Shump to PHX for a pick and Chandler to OKC for another pick?

Kal Ripken
Kal Ripken

@Marvel  if we trade Shump for a pick with OKC doesn't a player have to come back? I wonder if they wanna part with Perry Jones. Its faiir if you ask me Shump still has potential.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Marvel He's had it tough between awful coaching and injuries. Even thogh that doesn't entirely justfiy his inconsistent/weak play, it's definitely played a role.

I'm all for trading him if it means upgrading at the PG, but while he's still an asset, you gotta be smart with him.

Tony Fonseca
Tony Fonseca

@Marvel  No excuses for Shump, but Woody is the main reason why shump has not improved...

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Marvel It depends. Remember, the triangle doesn't need a pure PG. A tall combo guard can get the gig done as long as he can shoot the 3 and get the ball rolling properly.

With the proper work and motivation, Shump can do it.

That said, if the proper trade scenario presents itself, I'm all for trading him.

Tony Fonseca
Tony Fonseca

@SheSaidSpikeWho  Great post. I feel the same way from the Knicks point of view too. IF Melo goes, I don't want anything but draft picks and one year expiring contracts. Chicago will probably have to gut their team to accommodate Melo and we, the Knicks have been down this road with a sour taste today!!!!

Moreover, Chicago is not going over the cap and pay hefty luxury taxes to put a good supporting cast to a injury prone Rose, hobbling Noah, and Melo.. It will translate to DISASTER.. I am calling it today!!!!

darealeric
darealeric

I think if anything, he's being looked at to replace either Shump or JR NOT Melo.

RivDim
RivDim

@Knicks_ Fanatic In spite of your naive notion that James Dolan is the only NBA owner invloved in multi year comittment, multi million dollar decisions regarding his team I think you're one of then more incisive and analytical contributors here. But I think you need to really think about what you just wrote here.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Knicks_Fanatic come on now.. a late first round pick from the D LEague is gonna replace Melo.? 


Wow.. now i heard everything.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@BiggieTKB  It is funny that the anti Melo crew want Shump gone. The guys that love to harp on how important Draft picks are and building thru the Draft. Can't make this up! Players don't come into their own until their mid 20's. Shump has been in the Gym working hard on his game. Unless it's for a significant upgrade at a position of need, trading him would be a mistake. 

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@BiggieTKB It is funny that the anti Melo crew want Shump gone. The guys that love to harp on how important Draft picks are and building thru the Draft. Can't make this up! Players don't come into their own until their mid 20's. Shump has been in the Gym working hard on his game. Unless it's for a significant upgrade at a position of need, trading him would be a mistake. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@BiggieTKB It'll be interesting to see what Shump's value will be if he doesn't bounce back strong next season.

I believe he will surprise many, but if he's incosistent his value will be quite the mystery.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes 

Shumpert shot 38-33-74 and had a PER of 9.6. That's not very encouraging for a 3rd year player. Add to the fact that we are going to have to offer Shump $3.6 million in 2015, while Hairston will be on a cheap rookie contract.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@RivDim 

Read this slowly. Last season Melo took 21.3 shots per game. If he leaves, someone is going to have to take those 21.3 shots. PERHAPS Phil is looking at Hairston to take some of those 21.3 shots. There is clearly a reason that Phil is looking at Hairston, who is a volume shooter. We already have a plethora of 2's on the roster. Hairston has the body to play the 3 against some teams.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB @Knicks_Fanatic 

So, who is going to replace Melo, if he leaves? Who is going to get his 20 shots per game? Who is going to play the 3?

Those are legitimate questions. Phil is obviously interested in Hairston. There is obviously a reason for him to do that. You just poo poo anything and everything about his choice.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@VerySilentJay @BiggieTKB my sense is as long as Shump is healthy and contributing we can get a first for him at any time next year.


Of course if he's hurt then he's not worth anything.

nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

I'm not talking straight up, a player for a pick.  Include some filler.  PHX, are they going to sign Bledsoe and Dragic next year?  Maybe we can get Bledsoe?

For OKC, we could take Perkins' expiring contract and would they add Lamb in the mix?

RivDim
RivDim

@ Knicks_ Fanatic I read it just as slowly as I read where you wrote, "perhaps Hairston is comfortable taking 15-20 shots per game". Pure absurdity!

The knicks are either looking at him as an auxilery component replacing Shumpert for the triangle or as a trade chip. No way is he being scouted as a 15-20 shot taker.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic

One player doesn't have to take all those 20 shots.  But I agree that the team could use a sharp-shooting 3 with or without Carmelo.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Knicks_Fanatic There's no replacing Melo, you can only put together a roster with balanced scoring and balanced FGA.

Remember, Amare's still around and JR's also a high usage/volume shooter.

Should Melo leave, there are already options to have decent scoring inside and out.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Knicks_Fanatic If we are going to depend on a late first round pick to replace Melo's production we are in deeper doo doo than some of the haters on here claim.



i dont have any issue with phil looking at draft picks.. If he can buy one more power to him.  But to give up useful players for late round picks or to even consider a late first round pick replacing a super star's role is hoping for failure.

nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

If Melo leaves, his replacement will be signed in 2015 

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@theking @BiggieTKB @nycmjkfan im not even so sure i trade Chandler for a draft pick unless it includes a big trade exception and rids us of Felton's salary slot.


I'd ship him to Dallas with Felton for Samm Dalembert and a trade exception.  but that trade exception has value.


im not into this Perkins trade unless it includes us getting rid of more salary and getting  pick.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB @Knicks_Fanatic 

So then having Shump replace Melo is your strategy. Now I have heard everything. Talk about doo doo. How can Shump replace Melo? That's crazy talk.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@NoVaCaInE @Knicks_Fanatic 

Ask Phil Jackson. He is the Zen Master. Maybe he thinks JR is the cancer he is and Shump won't work in his system.

I'm trying to find reasons for Phil's interest.

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Knicks_Fanatic @BiggieTKB where did i say Shump replaces Melo?


no one replaces Melo.


nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

Its not one singular player, but a combo.  Aldridge? Dragic? Parker? Milsap? Rondo? Gasol? Matthews?  Pick 3 that would fit the team and salary cap.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@BiggieTKB 

So then you have no idea why Phil is looking at PJ Hairston and feel he is making a major error if he trades Shump.

theking
theking

@nycmjkfan  ok Aldridge will leave lillard? dragic will stay with the suns where he can get paid and doesn't have to play in a system where the pg is not useful same with parker why would he leave pop? milsap? really dude? rondo is not coming if melo is not here and gasol and Matthews? lol ok man keep living in that dream world

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

@Knicks_Fanatic @BiggieTKB If Phil trades Shumpert for a late first round pick just to draft a young SG then yes it is a major error.


Im not opposed to trading Shumpert if it's in a larger package.  


No one knows why Phil is looking at this guy.  It's speculation that he is even interested.  If he is looking at SGs then it's likely Phil is pondering another move to break the log jam at the 2


If Phoenix or some other team in the back of the draft wants to give up one of their picks for 3 mil and a future second rounder or two then fine.

nycmjkfan
nycmjkfan

You asked for options, I gave you a half dozen, none are far fetched.  PHX would have to go max on Bledsoe and Dragic and POR would have to go max on Lillard in another year and Aldridge?  I don't see it.

So you're take is the Knicks, if Melo leaves, will have about $50Mil in cap space and NONE of the top FA will come here?  THAT is the dream world!!