With West Coast trip looming, Cavs landed the knockout blow

Harris Decker

There was something different inside the Garden on Sunday night. During the eight game winning streak that was snapped, the team was playing with energy. It was the type of energy that you have to physically see in order to understand. They were having fun again. But it all came to an end.

J.R. SmithAs the arena filled Sunday night, the crowds energy was noticeably down. Several people sitting next to me commented that you could hear a pin drop, even as the Knicks built a big lead heading into halftime. Was the team letting down the crowd, or was the crowd letting down the team? We’ll save that for another time.

In either case, the Knicks were outscored big in the second half. They gave up 60 points, while scoring 39, and allowed backup point guard Jarrett Jack to lead the Cavaliers right past the Knicks. He finished with 31 points and 10 assists.

It was an important day for the Knicks for reasons outside of Madison Square Garden. Earlier in the day, the Toronto Raptors defeated the Atlanta Hawks, opening the door for the Knicks to climb just 2 games out of the eighth and final playoff spot. Coach Mike Woodson was very much aware of the Hawks loss before tip off.

“This was like a getaway game to get us set for the road and didn’t close it out” Woodson said. “We just didn’t handle our business and I have to take responsibility for that.”

This was the toughest loss of the season to swallow. It not only ends the eight game streak but comes on the brink of what was a crucial five game West Coast trip. In the next week, the Knicks face the Lakers, Kings, Suns, Warriors and Jazz.

While several of those teams are playoff bound, the real concern comes when the Knicks return home in April. During that month, they face a very tough schedule including the Nets, Heat and likely division winning Raptors. Last nights loss had a disastrous impact on the Knicks chances of making the playoffs and in my opinion was the win they needed to have.

Now they head west with their playoff chances fading into the sun.




234 comments
knickgirl35
knickgirl35

Gasol has Vertigo. The guy gets dizzy for no apparent reason. That's not good.

lpeezy31
lpeezy31

Lakers thin 2night but we just as thin on every night going forward. Once again like I said. Stupid to not give Peace more playing time and just as stupid to get rid of Clark

lindro88
lindro88

Just a quick comment about Sandro's  new favorite team the Suns.  The only player in the roation that was actually drafted by the Suns is Markief Morris.  The starters are Dragic,Bledsoe,Pj Tucker,Frye and Plum.  None of them homegrown.  The key players on the bench, Gerald Green, Markieff, and Marcus Morris, Ish Smith.  So how exactly does that go along with "building through the draft"  Turned out Hornacek is a good coach.  Green finally figured it out, and Dragic is a borderline all star.  They were smart enough to  bring in Marcus Morris, who has clearly had an impact on Markieff, since he's having an excellent season.  Alex Len is starting to get a little playing time, but certainly not a part of the success.  Nice team, fun to watch, but they did not draft one player other than Morris who has anything to do with the season they are having.  

zebeto
zebeto

Derek Fisher rumored to work for JAX in knicks front office ...........


..nice start , getting basketball folks in the fold !

onewhoknix
onewhoknix

Testing Testing  Live Fyre Sucks  Testing Testing

frankieboy
frankieboy

Hawks lost again..... That game Sunday is going to haunt them all the way till the end. They would have been 1.5 games out....


Better win tonight !

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

Sandro Xmen & the rest of the Bi-polar maniacs on this blog! What's with all the "Rants"??? Our hated incompetent owner just hired & gave "FULL CONTROL" of all basketball operations to the most winning coach in history a week ago!!! Can you guys just STFU & wait to see him implement "HIS VISION" in the coming year, then critique???!!! He already has shown some of his "GENIUS" by openly stating that Carmelo Antony(under Phils tutelage will be considered NY KNICKS G.O.A.T.) Shumpert & Hardaway are "UNTOUCHABLES" & will build around them! Just that awesome foresight alone should be cause for "PATIENCE & CELEBATION FOR ALL TRUE KNICK FANS"!!!

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

You guys have to lay off Melo. It's not his fault he didn't realize what a boob James Dolan was. First off, after the trade we got stuck with players that make Bargnani look good. Then Dolan chooses not to let Billups contract expire and doesn't hang onto amnesty for Amar'e. Imagine if we could have had all that cap space after the 2011 season. We weren't going to win that year. Why go all in on Chandler?

Then because we are over the cap with no room to sign free agents, we end up getting stuck with players like Felton, Bargnani, and others.

lindro88
lindro88

This game won't be won or lost because we don't have Clark. IMO.

lindro88
lindro88

Denver took whoever we had. Chandler is an inconsistent player. Galo was developing, but is always hurt. Mozgov actually is turning out to be the best player they got in that trade. If Wilson Chandler, Mozgov and Shumpert are the best players the Knicks can take credit for "developing" that's pretty sad.

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Biggie  Knicks didn't "develop" THjr and look at Shump--woody has turned him into a  shell of his former self.

THjr has a work ethic and natural bball ability. His defense is abysmal. Where's the development? In your own head.

omega_red
omega_red

@Biggie  

Interesting. "When he doesn't think he can, he'll stop," Popovich said of Duncan. "It might be in the middle of a game. I can see him walking off the court saying, 'Nah, I'm not pulling my weight anymore. I'm gone.' And he'll walk. And I'll be right behind him, like this. No pride, no nothing." It's not a foregone conclusion that Popovich will walk when Duncan retires, but it's a definite possibility


yahoo sports

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@akamarb  As a back up PF/C at the MLE...he'd be a great addition. He knows the triangle. High IQ player, good passer off the post, can hit the mid range, and decent enough defender.

He'd be a great 6th man off the bench to provide inside scoring.

lindro88
lindro88

@akamarb  For a guy who has made some of the worst predictions in TKB history, you sure are critical. lol    

lindro88
lindro88

@Knixtradamus  Why would you rather be eliminated?  I don't see it getting to a last game must win, but making the playoffs would at least keep Denver out of the lottery.  I know you don't like the makeup of this team, but you are a Knicks fan, correct?

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Did Phill really say Shump & Timmy are untouchable?

MeloStat301
MeloStat301

That's the problem...Sandro isn't a true Knicks fan...starting watching in 2010....while xmen might be a true knick fan...he goes against what others say to support his narrative even when he's wrong. Xmen probably believes the sky is green...because he says so. Its alright though....when people don't know what they're talking about they ramble as they try and make sense.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Sandro Guedes  

Some on TKB don't get it, but it's good to know that the Knicks finally have someone in charge who does:


"We're going to have to go out and work the bushes for players this next year, and we're going to have to work them in the coming years as we go forward and we do get draft picks and have a chance to build this team," Phil Jackson said [during his introductory Knicks' press conference] "Those are the things I think are really important — to attract, and to also ferret out, players that want to play the type of ball that we want to exhibit here in Madison Square Garden [...] There are players that are on benches, that are on teams, that are going to be available — maybe not on high-priced contracts — that'll come in and help and assist in building a team."

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Sandro Guedes  

Actually the Knicks had a great run in the 1960's with the draft

1964 Willis Reed Howard Komives (Traded for DeBusschere with Bellamy)

1965 Bill Bradley

1966 Cazzie Russell

1967 Walt Frazier Phil Jackson


xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic Come on man! Melo has the power to go into Dolan and demand or ask for the things he felt he needed.  LEADERSHIP!  Even an older Kobe  with less leverage is out ranting for his owners to do something.

Chris
Chris

@Biggie  Simple excuses? You take the handle of a dead rapper accused of murder and you accuse others of simplistic thought. You know nada about hoops and blindly follow the dumbest coach in the league and you say others are dumb. Wow the height of hypocrisy 

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie You know Woody suck so stop trying to link him with Melo. Melo does not suck by any means. He's just not the guy for us to build around. We need smart leaders.

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie  

"Those who think having draft picks guarantees super star players on rookie deals obviously haven't been students of the game for long."


Complete strawman argument.  I don't think anyone has said that draft picks guarantees super star players.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@carl hill No way.  I have not made excuses for my Knicks ever.   Can u name when a LBJ team or A.I. team or any major superstar team lost to a team like the Cavs at home when they really needed that game like last night?

I don't think LBJ ran away to the Heat because he couldn't beat the weak teams in the East.

lindro88
lindro88

I thought he was on the Rockets at some point.

lindro88
lindro88

@Sandro Guedes @Knixtradamus  This kind of season comes along very infrequently.  I don't disagree that the top 16 would be a good idea,  but a season where so many teams in the East are either terrible or tanking is very rare.  They need to change the lottery system.  Let the team that finishes 9th pick first.  That way you'll never see a situation like the one in Philly.  

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

I'll bet you $5000 that we will be in the triangle next year!!

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Kenny Kaufman  It's been rumored that according to Jax, Shump and Timmy would be nice fits in the triangle. One because of his shooting and movement off the ball, the other because of his perimeter D.

Jax likes bigger guards and doesn't need a pure PG to operate in the triangle.

Of course, if indeed that's the direction the team will take.

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

He has a lot of competition for that spot! But whatever makes MELO feel better about MELO and sign for about 20 million less in all for! Who knows a couple chips and he could claim that spot!

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie @Sandro Guedes  

You are presenting a false dichotomy between the Knicks' way of doing business (passing out picks like Halloween candy for cap space and low/negative-value players like Bargnani) and those teams that unabashedly tank away full seasons.  

There is a middle path that utilizes all avenues for building a team - see Houston.  The draft, free agency, trades - all are appropriate tools as long as player acquisition is driven by solid player valuation and an understanding of opportunity cost within the context of building a contending TEAM, and not just a collection of high-priced names.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn @Knicks_Fanatic 

Perhaps Melo has exerted leadership. Dolan didn't get Phil Jackson because he wanted to. He got him to keep Melo on board. Melo is more subtle than Kobe. No one questions Tim Duncan for lacking leadership skills. He has a personality like Melo, more introverted.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie From the man who told us AB would be our 2nd option that Melo needed!  lol

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Sandro Guedes @carl hill Yep, Biggie and bunch had that same excuses for Pringles too!  You would think superstars could at least get their teams into the playoffs or past the 2nd round in the East.  

knickgirl35
knickgirl35

@Biggie @firebaldy  Coaching is key in developing players. You think you know but you really are guessing at this. You really need to get off that pedestal you put yourself on and sit in a corner with your dunce cap.

lindro88
lindro88

I see. Phx had Dragic, he went to Toronto and Houston before they brought him back.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@lindro88 @Sandro Guedes @Knixtradamus  at least, give more lottery balls to the team which finishes 9th ...

Kenny Kaufman
Kenny Kaufman

Lol, I know your not talking about good English!

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@BigChiefTriangleIt's amazing how many exuses are made for Melo, As you state Duncan is not the vocal type that some are but he's a very smart player that knows how to play high pct b-ball and knows the fundamentals. 

Although he is not very vocal, you will see him call over his teammates on the floor when they miss assignments and etc.

Melo is very talented but he is not he smartest player in that he will go total perimeter in key moments of the game. It's hard to get to the foul line to stop the clock while scoring when you implement the T-MAC game style. 

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturn  

"No one questions Tim Duncan for lacking leadership skills. He has a personality like Melo"


Lol, are you serious? Do you think Melo has brought the same intensity and focus to BOTH sides of the court that Duncan has throughout his career? Has Duncan ever passive-aggressively ignored his head coach's play calls the way Melo did under D'Antoni?  That's leadership?


Tim Duncan...you gotta be kidding me.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturnCome on man! Melo stated they he never spoken to Phil so now you're implying he recruited Phil?

Did you listen to MWP interview about Melo to Boomer?  He stated that Melo is talented but unlike a Kobe or MJ, he does not have it in him to hold other players accountable.  

It amazing that he stated that when it surely appears that way from us who are not around the players each day.  I know that's just one player but it surely resemble the Melo I'm watching from afar.

Chris
Chris

@Knicks_Fanatic @Sandro Guedes @Biggie  Trade.They traded Easy Ed McAully for him becasue Petittt and a couple of other southerners didn`t want a black on the team. Greatest steal of all time

BigChiefTriangle
BigChiefTriangle

@Biggie  

"People were talking about Jabari and Wiggins as "transformation players" at the start...Now they sit home after failing to carry their teams like a super star should"


Is this a preview of what people will be saying about Carmelo, Chandler, and Amare in 1 month? (Though I certainly hope not!)  Or does the "injuries, bad luck" excuse only apply to Knick players on max contracts?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Biggie  

It's just that William Felton Russell was the best basketball player I ever saw. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Sandro Guedes @carl hill  You're seriously gonna compare Lin -the bench player who isn't trusted in 4th qtrs and tight games- to Melo, the All NBA player, multiple time All-Star and Olympian?


Yeah...OK....

You should stop while you still have time.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturn At the time of that contract, I thought it was too large.  I didn't want AB and I emphatically stated so here.  Biggie and bunch wanted AB when I tried to tell everyone how soft and unimpressive he was. 

If he couldn't get it done in Toronto, how would he do it in NY?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@Biggie  

Tell you what, let's see if Phil tells Melo go out and see what you can get for an offer and get back to me on it. Sounds fair enough right? Melo is too smart to just get one offer, right?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn @Knicks_Fanatic 

What I don't understand is why everyone was so against Lin getting $25 million for 3 years and has no problem with Bargnani getting $23 million for two years, plus we had to trade away 3 drafts picks to get him. It's only Dolan's money, not ours.

Lin could have made a huge difference this season with Felton playing poorly and perhaps even more next year, if Ray goes to prison.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Knicks_Fanatic @xmenreturnI hear ya man but we could not sign him for that contract he got in Houston period.   I liked Lin and I wss the first one here that demanded he get PT.  

Yet, I'm a Knicks Fan not a Lin's fan!  I'd kick my momma to the curb if I thought she didn't help my team get to the next level.  Lin would be a nice backup for us. We need a real PG unless we play the triangle.

We need to get past Master Lin because I haven't seen Houston win anything with him yet.

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@xmenreturn  

Dolan and Grunald botched the Lin negotiations by telling him to get an offer. They should have offered him what they could have once they secured his early Bird rights. He got away for nothing.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@carl hill @BiggieDude, i thought not signing Lin was the right move and I was one of the first one here who demanded that Pringles play Master Lin.  Everyone here was giving me the sh#t for suggesting Master Lin be given any pt. 

I saw that he was the only player we had that attacked the paint when every other PG we had never got near the paint.  

Many here defended Pringles for not playing him saying he has no good players to turn to. 

We need Phil to put together a smart team to run his triangle.  I can surely wait for him to build such a squad. I just hope he doesn't do a Isiah and try to create a winner overnight from risky dumb players building around Melo.


VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@xmenreturn @Biggie  You actually believe K Love's got what it takes to lead a team to the playoffs and succeed?

Really?

Wow.

"Know the game, playa".

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@Biggie Dude, you are here still defending Woody when everyone knows he sucks!  Yet, you expect everyone to believe you never defended Pringles?

I was here man!  I know you defended Pringles for years and you used to refute me attacking him.  I was just X-men then before Tommy Dee kicked me off for bashing Pringles.