Beno Udrih sounds off as Knicks’ frustration shows

Josh Newman

In all fairness to Beno Udrih, when the 10th-year point guard signed a one-year deal with the Knicks in early August — long after the free agency market began to dry up — he did so with the understanding that he would be the third point guard not be playing a huge role on a Knicks team with designs on a lengthy playoff run.

Raymond Felton is out again, this time with a strained right groin, and Pablo Prigioni remains out with a hairline fracture of his right big toe, so Udrih is being asked to do a lot more than anyone thought he would be asked to do and the results have varied.

USATSI_7632990_110579513_lowresIn a 123-94 Christmas Day loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder, Udrih started, played 30 minutes and scored two points, to go along with six assists and four rebounds. Of his six shot attempts, two went off the side of the backboard and one was swatted out of his hand.

“Well, again, Beno struggled a little bit tonight, and I need Beno to play,” Knicks head coach Mike Woodson said. “I don’t know when those guys (Felton and Prigioni) will actually come back. I really don’t.”

“I kind of feel like when I do the right thing, it’s not the right thing in some people’s eyes,” Udrih said. “It’s just tough. It’s easy to point fingers when the team loses. But when it comes down to it, we are a team, we lose together. No matter who makes a mistake or who doesn’t, it’s still a team loss. So I think all of this stuff should be kept out of the media and not call certain people out or something. We’ve just got to go out there and fix it and watch video and fix it as a team.”

Prigioni has been out since Dec. 11 and is not expected to return until early January. Felton has been in and out of the lineup all season with various hamstring and groin issues. This latest setback kept him out against the Thunder and there is currently no timetable for his return. The Knicks are scheduled to practice on Thursday before opening a home-and-home set with the Toronto Raptors beginning Friday evening at Madison Square Garden.

Until at least one of those two returns, Udrih will be left to carry much of the load at the point. Over the last five games, Udrih is averaging 9.8 points and 5.6 assists in 30.8 minutes per game. He has not played poorly the whole time, not with an assists-to-turnover ratio sitting at almost 5-to-1 in the last five games, but he also isn’t giving what Felton and Prigioni have or can.

“I’ve been playing this sport professionally for 16 years, different leagues and here, this is my 10th year,” Udrih said. “Usually, I was a guy that somehow made the right play at the end of the games or stuff like that. I’ve always been pretty good with not turning over the ball and this year, it’s totally different. I don’t know what happened that summer. I don’t think I forgot (how) to play basketball. so there’s a lot of factors.”




84 comments
frankieboy
frankieboy

Finally someone with ballz to call like he see's it


Is Woody fired yet ?

Juan Maldonado
Juan Maldonado

Where in the world is Earl Barron when you need him?

IAMINETROBE
IAMINETROBE

Should have never traded novak i understand the move and the cap space but i think that trade sacrificed the chemistry

tifoso6
tifoso6

Since the beginning of the season there have thousands of comments 

but nothing has changed.   We have a lousy coach and we are weak at

point guard.  We need to correct these two items.

fasheezee
fasheezee

If a team can't even be competitive in a nationally televised game on Christmas day then there really is no hope at all if changes aren't made----quickly. So much time has been wasted. Waiting for Tyson to come back, waiting for Felton, waiting for Kenyon to get healthy----this coach has ZERO excuses left!!! Time to rid the team of all of the slackers and get a REAL season going!

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

THJR needs more time out there. get him some plays 

lets try featuring him more

Coach Woodson is on his last legs so he might as well find someone other than JR to ride like Secretariat. 

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

i was talking to my cousins about the plight of the Knicks

and even though we're the laughing stock and this season is written off, one of my cousins said it would be funny if the Knicks who aren't really out of the Playoff race as of yet 

make a Mid-Season Run and End Strong while the top Teams may run out of juice and go into injury mode 

we may benefit from that and actually surprise some folks 

so while my cuz gave me a glimpse of hope for this Season

i say if we can Win the games we're suppose to we may not be far off in this weak Atlantic Division. 

Yoshi Rubin
Yoshi Rubin

I say have Melo pressure a team to trade for him and get some draft picks or a good young PG or both.

No offense but Melos no leader and I believe their young players can develop better without him.

johneco
johneco

It's been an interesting year, full of important basketball lessons.

Beno unfortunately is a player who just should not be out there.  His advantages (good decision maker) are outweighed by his negatives (willing but incapable defender).  In my opinion he's worth nothing, which is what we gave up for him.

Some players, despite having skills, on balance are worth less than nothing.  Look at Toronto without Rudy Gay.

We have too many players like that.

Bargs is like that - he has a nice midrange game, and is an ok post defender, but is such a horrible rebounder (worst in NBA) and help defender and is so slow that overall you lose any time he's on the floor.  Better to trade him for nothing.  Toronto fleeced us.

JR is like that this year. 

Amare is now like that big time.

Which of our players have a positive value?  Melo, Chandler, maybe Shump (fading fast), THJr, Prigs.

We can't even trade away our dead wood and rebuild, since we don't have our own picks.

We need a new NBA rule that disallows teams to trade their picks.  We're the most pathetically mismanaged team in the NBA and need help.


DourSiesel
DourSiesel

did anyone see that commercial with CP3 and melo??? makes me think he wants to go to the clips

KnickelusKnickleby
KnickelusKnickleby

I reckon Dolan is a follower, so if the Nets fire Kidd he'll fire Woodson and if Nets pull off a Trade he'll Trade Someone 

it's the good ole case of Monkey See Monkey Do. 

Btw We Suck Merry Xmas

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

This team is in some deep, deep doo doo.

Woodson still having a job... That's just baffling to me. Makes no sense.

I've never seen players break down in such fashion, reminds me of the dark ages.

It's been a long time since I've seen such mediocre, unorganized ball.

Disarray is in the air, and it's mastermind goes by the name of Woodson.

At this point, I just wanna make the playoffs.

ds2488
ds2488

One last thing... JR dismissing the boos for him as just fans being fans and booing when we lose and cheering when we win bothers me.  It shows me JR doesn't get it.


Fans weren't booing him because we were losing.  They were booing him because he's chucking some of the most ridiculous shots I've ever seen.  Guy doesn't even pretend to look to pass or drive to the basket.  It's just lazy chucking.  Has no concept of team basketball.



ds2488
ds2488

Doc Rivers showing how real coaches get it done.  His players have a foul to give that they're supposed to give, fail and it ends in a 4 pt play opportunity for Toney Douglas.  Yells at Collison whose fault it was.  Then when asked during quarter interview, says "We had a foul to give.  Didn't give it.  That's always the coach's fault".


As opposed to the clown who is currently our "coach", who blames it all on the player, probably says nothing to his face, then calls him out in the media afterwards, using it as an excuse for every single bit of awful coaching that went into that situation.


This clown can't be fired soon enough.

Max Denby
Max Denby

When multiple payers play below their usual level it's a mark of poor coaching. Woody is way overdue. The man needs to go.

C0P0
C0P0

OT: Chris Paul just shot a mean jumper in Toney Douglas's face. LOL

He never grew as a player.

ds2488
ds2488

lol.  Situation in Nyet-land might be even worse.  Sources saying Kidd called out the team after the game in what was described as an "outburst".  



Mike Jones
Mike Jones

Beno doesn't sound thrilled with absorbing blame from Woodson: "Don't just be a coach, be a person."

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Woody said that Beno "opened the floodgates" in the game against the Wizards. The floodwaters must have clogged Woody's brain, causing him to call forget to a time out.

On that play you can clearly see Beno motioning to his teammates that he was going to force Beal to the baseline. No one came to help and Beno got thrown under the bus by his coach to deflect the blame from his brain fart.

Seth Nadler
Seth Nadler

The insistence on the big lineup despite it never working, and not going with the 2 pg is baffling. When everyone was healthy and no Tyson, everyone that led us to 13 straight wins was available and Woody never went to that lineup once, forget not starting, never once even in the game. We all want Woody gone, but not many coaches want to work for us with Dolan running the show. I feel Woody is going to hang around as long as he does what management asks. Basically a yes man.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@tifoso6 we do not rebound

we have no inside presence

we switch too much

too many iso plays

etc ....


lindro88
lindro88

What does that even mean? What winning team is going to be pressured into trading away a boatload of talent and picks for a player that might not end up making them better? Melo isn't going to want to go to a losing team. Anything you think about him, be sure every GM is also aware of. Melo's best option is going to be signing a max contract right here in NY. The question will be do the Knicks want to spend the next 7 years trying to win with a Melo as the centerpiece.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

I think the Clippers are a good fit for Melo. Adding him could give them a shot vs the Thunder and Spurs in the West. I wonder what they would offer us. I want a young PG and draft picks.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Except on the defensive end. Lee is a great rebounder and a very efficient offensive player, but he is a statue on D.

lindro88
lindro88

Knicks had there shot at ridding themselves of JR. They blew it. I don't care if he was the only player they could spend that $ on. Addition by subtraction. He's an immature losing player. No winning franchise would have brought him back after the post season he had, on and off the court.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@ds2488 he is a clueless moron

The coach is worse for letting him do this.


JR had  a little bit of success when he was going to the basket early. It frustrates me that he has changed course during the game and started settling for these lazy shots.


Woodson could have told him to stop but he really does not have a playbook. he let them do whatever they want

C0P0
C0P0

@C0P0 LOL Then he gets a 4pt play Op but misses the FT.

ds2488
ds2488

@Knicks_Fanatic It's not the first and it won't be the last time this clown calls players out to deflect blame.


I thought the most disgraceful of it was the Indiana game, when the coach basically blamed it all on Shump.  Granted, it was really stupid of Shump, but the coach going to the media and basically calling him an idiot was not helpful.


Glad he's getting paid back in kind.  All the players should be calling out this horrible "coach" for his total lack of any kind of game plan or reasonable substitution patterns.  

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@OLD_KNICK It's about condifence. If Beno forgot how to play, so did 90% of the team. 

Some here overlook just how important confidence is. A team's swagger, attitude, strength, etc, will always derive from the way a coach approaches the game and how he's able to transmit his ideas and thoughts. In certain ways, team play is a reflection of a coach's personality and approach.

Woodson, imo, has completely murdered this team. Butchered it. It's borderline illegal.

- He took a 3rd year player coming off his best play (Shumpert) and is running him to the ground with bad mentorship and coaching. He's having a Toney D type of breakdown because his coach has no idea how to use him, forcing him to do things beyong his skillset. Shumpert hasn't helped matters either, with his immaturity, but ultimately the coach is the one that pulls the strings and is responsible for man management.

- He's not giving Timmy Jr a clear cut role. Some games he'll see strong minutes, others he won't, when he's the steadiest shooter we've got. 

- JR's leash is gone. Last season JR had freedom, but Woody was all over his case if he made a mistake. That's gone now, and JR's being JR of old times, because there's no leash.

- He's running the team to the ground, looking out for his job instead of taking care of his players. Felton comes back from injury and immediately gets too many minutes. Chandler's already being overplayed and just got back. Melo's 2nd in minutes played per game. The list goes on.

- Is there a reason why Amare must play so many minutes? He's the team's strongest liability, no doubt about it. He's the biggest black hole in the planet (for those who kill Melo, a true black hole wears shades), turnover prone, awful rebounder, and arguably the worst defensive big man in the league.

- AB cannot play well without a true PG. Felton and Prigs were always able to get him good looks from P&P's and P&R's. Now that this isn't a possiblity, his minutes have to be reduced, yet Woodson doesn't understand this.


The list goes on. How this man is employed is a testament to moronic management and ownership.

ds2488
ds2488

@OLD_KNICK You notice a lot of guys suddenly "forgetting how to play basketball" lol.  Couldn't have anything to do with completely atrocious coaching right lol?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

That sounds like some slick Slovenian snarky sarcasm from the southpaw pg.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@Seth Nadler This team has only 1 PG left.

The 2 PG lineup works when you have PG's smart enough to play and defend 2's. Kidd's athleticism was gone, but his savvy was enough to defend his position well enough through proper positioning..

On offense, it takes high IQ and cohesion to execute properly with 2 PG's, something this team clearly doesn't have. 

Kidd's experience and wisdom alone was enough to allow the halfcourt to run like a well ioled machine (showing why Woodson's man management skills have been wildly taken out of proportion).

Now we're down to Beno, who's struggling mightly, and Murry, a combo guard who is still trying to find footing.

Can't go with a 2 PG lineup if you're down to one struggling PG. The fact that Woodson's going long stretches without a PG in his rotation should tell you a lot about the mess Beno is and how lost Woodson is.

miracle33d
miracle33d

@bockersThe only picks the Knicks have from now through 2017 are their 1st rounders in the odd number years, and those can't be traded because of league (Ted Stepian) rules.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

What's up Lindro? Happy Holidays. It's kennyandthemets. My blog name didn't fit this new format. Too many characters. Anyway, I don't think Melo is resigning here. I expect that he already has an idea of where he is going to be next year, and which of his star buddies he will be joining with. Therefore, I think it makes sense to try to get some young talent for him now.

Yoshi Rubin
Yoshi Rubin

You right I was fantasizing but the truth is the Knicks were a winning team when they traded for him and they screwed up (I think Mark Cuban would make a good offer for Melo ad I say Cuban cause Melos a player that makes a owner happy not a GM)

And I don't think there is any problem with keeping Melo but you really need a PG The Knicks were only as good as there PG.

And Woodsons Defense has been looking like a joke and that was a problem last year too so to all you Woodson fans the guys been great but I think there gonna need to find a new HC one that can coach offense without a PG like making everyone on your team pass especially when they have people taking them (even JR needs to pass) remember last years JR I don't know what his stats were but he had some key assists last year.

And Mr Shumpert is much more athletic then the way he's playing.

So yea I might get a lot of hate but can Melo be the Centerpiece of the team HELLZ YEA but not like this.

lindro88
lindro88

That's true, and I doubt he is ready for that. You see Carmelo as a teams third best player? Third highest paid player? I don't.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Agreed 100%. Along with Chandler's injury, it was JR's horrible performance in the playoffs that cost us the Indy series.

jeandd323
jeandd323

@ds2488 @Knicks_Fanatic As a matter, Shump lost his swagger after the Indiana game. He called Melo out for missing a defensive assignment and got punished for it. That is the favoritism which has characterized Woodson leadership this year. He handles the players inconsistently. Felton, JR, Melo can do no wrong. Others are thrown under the bus unmercifully. Woodson refused to adjust to games situation. Even an opposing coach called his schemes less than intelligent last year.


 I got Melo. He is the heart and soul of the team. Night in and night out, he plays his heart out but JR? Felton?  no other coach would stand for this. That is why he needs to go.



kenmetskni
kenmetskni

I replied to Lindro, but my comment got moved down. This new system is a mess. Anyway, I think Melo wants to win a championship. He has to be smart enough to see that it isn't going to happen for him here.

fasheezee
fasheezee

@kenmetskni I'm not Lindro but I totally agree. Why would Melo give up an extra $30mil? Maybe $3mil---not 30.